ryoder 1,590 #26 March 21, 2011 Whoa!An Arab nation actually participating! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704433904576212852941096150.html?mod=googlenews_wsj "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #27 March 21, 2011 Quote Whoa!An Arab nation actually participating! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704433904576212852941096150.html?mod=googlenews_wsj Well they do fly French airplanes.. and so do the Libyans... more business for the French if they do not fly them so well against the Ducks AF that is manned by pilots from all over including old soviet block fliers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #28 March 21, 2011 Think positive; Maybe if they lose the Mirages, we can interest them in some 'Merkun-built planes. "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #29 March 21, 2011 Well, somebody is shooting down somebody else's jets in Libya.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #30 March 21, 2011 I 'believe' that photo is of a rebel plane 'accidentally' shot down by the rebels a couple of days ago - whoops. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #31 March 21, 2011 I read it was a rebel plane shot down by Gadaffi forces. Today I saw another story of one of Gadaffi's pilots deliberately crashing his plane into the barracks of Gadaffi's soldiers."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #32 March 21, 2011 Alas, the 1st victim of any conflict ..... ' The Truth' (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #33 March 21, 2011 “History is written by the victors.” So as soon as we have a clear winner, we will know whose story to believe. "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #34 March 21, 2011 QuoteI 'believe' that photo is of a rebel plane 'accidentally' shot down by the rebels a couple of days ago - whoops. Looks like a MiG-23... so... it could be anybody. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #35 March 21, 2011 QuoteScrew the French. What Libya does in its own country is none of their damned business. It's not America's business either. Do you think the French should have stayed out of the American War of Independence? QuoteYou guy whining, "Omar is killing his own people!" You're not saying that about Lincoln and America's Civil War. Yeah, yeah, yeah...."But that's different!" In America's Civil War international intervention was blocked by Lincoln threatening war (and other political repercussions) while "killing his own people" ... However, I believe there is a difference between killing people to remain in power and killing people to end slavery."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #36 March 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteScrew the French. What Libya does in its own country is none of their damned business. It's not America's business either. Do you think the French should have stayed out of the American War of Independence? QuoteYou guy whining, "Omar is killing his own people!" You're not saying that about Lincoln and America's Civil War. Yeah, yeah, yeah...."But that's different!" In America's Civil War international intervention was blocked by Lincoln threatening war (and other political repercussions) while "killing his own people" ... However, I believe there is a difference between killing people to remain in power and killing people to end slavery. Well put. Lincoln's own statements made it crystal clear that his purpose was to maintain power, and that the issue of slavery was but one tool among many to achieve that purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #37 March 21, 2011 I hope "the West" doesn't find out too late that ridding the Middle East of all these despotic tyrants was a bad idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #38 March 21, 2011 Quote In America's Civil War international intervention was blocked by Lincoln threatening war (and other political repercussions) while "killing his own people" ... However, I believe there is a difference between killing people to remain in power and killing people to end slavery. P.S War is NEVER 'Civil' (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #39 March 21, 2011 Quote We won in Iraq. If by win you mean went in with no actual grounds for invasion and left the country in a worse situation that it was originally, then yes, I suppose that could be called winning. QuoteWe won in Afghanistan. That statement is not even remotely believable. How the fuck did we "win" in Afghanistan? Is Al Qaeda gone? Is Bin Laden in custody and being held accountable for his wrong-doings? Is there no further terrorist threat to the West? Has all Afghan opium supply to the world dried up? FUCK NO."The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #40 March 21, 2011 QuoteAnd of course, please let us not forget that whatever happens, the USA will be to blame.. Oh Pleeeeaassse, your hard-done-by-innocent-poor-little-boy act is getting so old and boring. If you're going to be the bully on the block - get over having no real friends..... just the suck ups like Blair who are too stupid to know any better. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 616 #41 March 21, 2011 QuoteIt's a lesson all superpowers need to learn and never do. The US military can win a war against nearly any country on earth. But then what? We won in Iraq. Now what? We won in Afghanistan. Now what? We can win in Libya. Then what? Hell, we "won" in Somalia. Now what's it look like? Some places are shitholes. Beating down the current ruler of said shitholes will not miraculously make them wonderful countries or useful members of the planet. I look at this one and wonder if there is anything to be gained in going to war there. Just like Iraq, Afghanistan, and others. What will it accomplish? Maybe your post should read "We fucked up Iraq, we fucked up Afghanistan, we fucked up Somalia when are we ever going to learn?" The west if notorious for taking the moral high ground and stepping in to oust people they don't like, and then leaving a vacuum. The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Unless anyone can provide me with an example of a country where removing a dictator has improved things, I would venture to say that political systems settle to their lowest energy state. If a dictatorship is "working" the people don't uprise. Generally dictators are greedy selfish bastards and when they realise they have pushed things to far they will back off. Interfering only disrupts the momentum. In three years time people will be posting about how Libya is a failed state full of terrorism etc etc. Empowering a bunch of warlords is never a good idea. So I agree with you it will accomplish nothing.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #42 March 21, 2011 Quote Quote In America's Civil War international intervention was blocked by Lincoln threatening war (and other political repercussions) while "killing his own people" ... However, I believe there is a difference between killing people to remain in power and killing people to end slavery. P.S War is NEVER 'Civil' It's not considered a civil war because it's adequate in courtesy and politeness but because it's of or relating to citizens."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #43 March 21, 2011 Quote Quote Quote In America's Civil War international intervention was blocked by Lincoln threatening war (and other political repercussions) while "killing his own people" ... However, I believe there is a difference between killing people to remain in power and killing people to end slavery. P.S War is NEVER 'Civil' It's not considered a civil war because it's adequate in courtesy and politeness but because it's of or relating to citizens. Oh (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #44 March 21, 2011 QuoteIt's not considered a civil war because it's adequate in courtesy and politeness but because it's of or relating to citizens. The Revolutionary War wasn't fought in circles? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #45 March 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteIt's not considered a civil war because it's adequate in courtesy and politeness but because it's of or relating to citizens. The Revolutionary War wasn't fought in circles? That's up for debate ... this is Speakers Corner after all."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #46 March 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteIt's not considered a civil war because it's adequate in courtesy and politeness but because it's of or relating to citizens. The Revolutionary War wasn't fought in circles? The Boer War was actually quite interesting."The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #47 March 21, 2011 Quote Do you think the French should have stayed out of the American War of Independence? You got it. Quote You guy whining, "Omar is killing his own people!" You're not saying that about Lincoln and America's Civil War. Yeah, yeah, yeah...."But that's different!" In America's Civil War international intervention was blocked by Lincoln threatening war (and other political repercussions) while "killing his own people" ... However, I believe there is a difference between killing people to remain in power and killing people to end slavery. I knew it was coming...."Yeah, yeah, yeah....But that's different!" It didn't take long. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #48 March 21, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote In America's Civil War international intervention was blocked by Lincoln threatening war (and other political repercussions) while "killing his own people" ... However, I believe there is a difference between killing people to remain in power and killing people to end slavery. P.S War is NEVER 'Civil' It's not considered a civil war because it's adequate in courtesy and politeness but because it's of or relating to citizens. Oh I'll be damned! I didn't know that, did you? My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #49 March 21, 2011 Quote Quote It's not considered a civil war because it's adequate in courtesy and politeness but because it's of or relating to citizens. The Revolutionary War wasn't fought in circles? Now THAT'S funny. I don't care who you are. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #50 March 21, 2011 Quote Quote Do you think the French should have stayed out of the American War of Independence? You got it. Got it. No one should intervene in the business of any else ... regardless if they're being robbed, enslaved, killed, etc. Got it. Quote Quote Quote You guy whining, "Omar is killing his own people!" You're not saying that about Lincoln and America's Civil War. Yeah, yeah, yeah...."But that's different!" In America's Civil War international intervention was blocked by Lincoln threatening war (and other political repercussions) while "killing his own people" ... However, I believe there is a difference between killing people to remain in power and killing people to end slavery. I knew it was coming...."Yeah, yeah, yeah....But that's different!" It didn't take long. If you can't (or won't) acknowledge the differences than there is no point in further discussion."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
