French Murder Innocent Civilians to Protect Oil

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Arab League criticizes allied airstrikes on Libya

CAIRO – The head of the Arab League has criticized international strikes on Libya, saying they caused civilian deaths.

The Arab League's support for a no-fly zone last week helped overcome reluctance in the West for action in Libya. The U.N. authorized not only a no-fly zone but also "all necessary measures" to protect civilians.

Amr Moussa says the military operations have gone beyond what the Arab League backed.

Moussa has told reporters Sunday that "what happened differs from the no-fly zone objectives." He says "what we want is civilians' protection not shelling more civilians."

U.S. and European strikes overnight targeted mainly air defenses, the U.S. military said. Libya says 48 people were killed, including civilians.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110320/ap_on_re_af/af_libya_arabs;_ylt=AnDBfYPrRz4wUsMx4lUETm0V6w8F;_ylu=X3oDMTMyamFjNW1rBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwMzIwL2FmX2xpYnlhX2FyYWJzBGNjb2RlA21wX2VjXzhfMTAEY3BvcwM0BHBvcwM0BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDYXJhYmxlYWd1ZWNy

Oops!!! Just collateral damage I guess. sorry about that.

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.. no-fly zone objectives."

Whatever these objectives are will proove to be unattainable without 'boots on the ground'. This appears to be just another attempt at regime change, which shows all the signs of back firing yet again.

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This is nothing but an attempt to take over Libya's oil. It's likely the French instigated the rebellion.

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No blood for oil!
France out of Libya!
No frogs innthe desert!

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No blood for oil!
France out of Libya!
No frogs innthe desert!

At least they didn't send a shill to tell blatant lies at the the UN in order to get support for their action.

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No blood for oil!
France out of Libya!
No frogs innthe desert!

At least they didn't send a shill to tell blatant lies at the the UN in order to get support for their action.

I am sure he offered his services.

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It's not like Libya didn't have plenty of warning this was coming. Anyone near a communications facility or radar installation had to know they were a target.

The most ridiculous thing was the comment of "The head of the Arab League." What precisely did he think was going to happen? Enforcing a no-fly zone requires destroying communications and radar.

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Well, Gates should have told us it would mean attacking Libya.
Oh, wait, he did, over two weeks ago:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20038391-503544.html

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.. no-fly zone objectives."

Whatever these objectives are will proove to be unattainable without 'boots on the ground'. This appears to be just another attempt at regime change, which shows all the signs of back firing yet again.

I'd be glad to see the back of Ghadafi but not at any cost. My biggest concern is that its easy to get involved but difficult to extricate from a civil war. Also that there is no government structure really that can be used in Libya, its very much tribal; so if Ghadafi is gone who will he be replaced with? What happens if the 'rebels' splinter in the power vacuum that his leaving office will create? Who do we support then? Its always easy to say we've learnt from the mistakes of the past and will stop before we make them again but experience shows that we repeat them time and time again.

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It's not like Libya didn't have plenty of warning this was coming. Anyone near a communications facility or radar installation had to know they were a target.

The most ridiculous thing was the comment of "The head of the Arab League." What precisely did he think was going to happen? Enforcing a no-fly zone requires destroying communications and radar.

He's an Egyptian parliamentary candidate who is getting twitchy about the electorate so is trying to cover his arse, thats all.

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It's a lesson all superpowers need to learn and never do. The US military can win a war against nearly any country on earth. But then what? We won in Iraq. Now what? We won in Afghanistan. Now what? We can win in Libya. Then what?

Hell, we "won" in Somalia. Now what's it look like? Some places are shitholes. Beating down the current ruler of said shitholes will not miraculously make them wonderful countries or useful members of the planet.

I look at this one and wonder if there is anything to be gained in going to war there. Just like Iraq, Afghanistan, and others. What will it accomplish?

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Even if that's true - they have a fucking long way to go to catch up with the ceptics.

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if done well it will secure oil interests and wider business interests. I doubt that will happen in the short term though. I just don't see a plan for what next. Boots on the ground are required and we'd be mad to go there again. Time will tell.

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It's a lesson all superpowers need to learn and never do. The US military can win a war against nearly any country on earth. But then what? We won in Iraq. Now what? We won in Afghanistan. Now what? We can win in Libya. Then what?

Hell, we "won" in Somalia. Now what's it look like? Some places are shitholes. Beating down the current ruler of said shitholes will not miraculously make them wonderful countries or useful members of the planet.

I look at this one and wonder if there is anything to be gained in going to war there. Just like Iraq, Afghanistan, and others. What will it accomplish?

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.. no-fly zone objectives."

Whatever these objectives are will proove to be unattainable without 'boots on the ground'. This appears to be just another attempt at regime change, which shows all the signs of back firing yet again.

I'd be glad to see the back of Ghadafi but not at any cost. My biggest concern is that its easy to get involved but difficult to extricate from a civil war. Also that there is no government structure really that can be used in Libya, its very much tribal; so if Ghadafi is gone who will he be replaced with? What happens if the 'rebels' splinter in the power vacuum that his leaving office will create? Who do we support then? Its always easy to say we've learnt from the mistakes of the past and will stop before we make them again but experience shows that we repeat them time and time again.

And of course, please let us not forget that whatever happens, the USA will be to blame.

The fucking Arab league should have sent their own fucking aircraft to bomb fucking Libya. Oh wait, they're all fucking useless...never mind.

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I just can't see the Libyan state press and Qadhafi as credible sources of information here. I'll wait for better vision before decrying what has happened.

As for it being about oil...I understand less than 2% of the world's oil market comes from Libya. Everyone is predicting that oil prices will spike because of fear over this. So your deduction is that this is being done to keep oil flowing cheaply? I'm not sure I follow your reasoning.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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So your deduction is that this is being done to keep oil flowing cheaply? I'm not sure I follow your reasoning.

I think you may have misread a bit of sarcasm as his actual opinion.

I might be wrong, but I believe he was being sarcastic in his response to the news article he quoted.

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Also that there is no government structure really that can be used in Libya, its very much tribal; so if Ghadafi is gone who will he be replaced with?

There is already a new Libyan gov't, and France has recognized it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12699183

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I reckon that by "No fly zone" they meant the same thing with Iraq that qent on for over a decade that just kept him in power.

Or over Bosnia that just maintained the status quo.

But to actually move in and do something? Yikes!

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.. no-fly zone objectives."

Whatever these objectives are will proove to be unattainable without 'boots on the ground'. This appears to be just another attempt at regime change, which shows all the signs of back firing yet again.

I'd be glad to see the back of Ghadafi but not at any cost. My biggest concern is that its easy to get involved but difficult to extricate from a civil war. Also that there is no government structure really that can be used in Libya, its very much tribal; so if Ghadafi is gone who will he be replaced with? What happens if the 'rebels' splinter in the power vacuum that his leaving office will create? Who do we support then? Its always easy to say we've learnt from the mistakes of the past and will stop before we make them again but experience shows that we repeat them time and time again.

And of course, please let us not forget that whatever happens, the USA will be to blame.

The fucking Arab league should have sent their own fucking aircraft to bomb fucking Libya. Oh wait, they're all fucking useless...never mind.

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You're like the fat kid that whines about being fat while stuffing another burger in his gob, to use an Americanism 'love it or leave it dude'

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Also that there is no government structure really that can be used in Libya, its very much tribal; so if Ghadafi is gone who will he be replaced with?

There is already a new Libyan gov't, and France has recognized it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12699183

I agree that it sounds like the French have rushed into things by recognising this group, after all who are they?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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I agree that it sounds like the French have rushed into things by recognizing this group, after all who are they?

Screw the French. What Libya does in its own country is none of their damned business. It's not America's business either.

I think every idiot who wanted to get involved is...well, a screwball idiot.


You guy whining, "Omar is killing his own people!"
You're not saying that about Lincoln and America's Civil War. Yeah, yeah, yeah...."But that's different!"

Screw that, too. People are dead at the expense of a national leader. Scream and justify all you want...doesn't change a thing.

Now you war bozos want to get in on the action and pile on the numbers. Build up the body count, yeah, that's the ticket. Blood thirsty a**holes.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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I agree that it sounds like the French have rushed into things by recognizing this group, after all who are they?

Screw the French. What Libya does in its own country is none of their damned business. It's not America's business either.

I think every idiot who wanted to get involved is...well, a screwball idiot.


You guy whining, "Omar is killing his own people!"
You're not saying that about Lincoln and America's Civil War. Yeah, yeah, yeah...."But that's different!"

Screw that, too. People are dead at the expense of a national leader. Scream and justify all you want...doesn't change a thing.

Now you war bozos want to get in on the action and pile on the numbers. Build up the body count, yeah, that's the ticket. Blood thirsty a**holes.

I couldn't agree more. WTF are we getting involved in another county's Civil War? Makes no sense at all except they want to keep the oil flowing. Some how because many coutries have commited to this, it's some how OK? BULLSHIT!!

The US is broke and most of the countries involed in this fiasco are hurting financially too. The last thing we need right now is another money draining war.

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.. no-fly zone objectives."

Whatever these objectives are will proove to be unattainable without 'boots on the ground'. This appears to be just another attempt at regime change, which shows all the signs of back firing yet again.

I'd be glad to see the back of Ghadafi but not at any cost. My biggest concern is that its easy to get involved but difficult to extricate from a civil war. Also that there is no government structure really that can be used in Libya, its very much tribal; so if Ghadafi is gone who will he be replaced with? What happens if the 'rebels' splinter in the power vacuum that his leaving office will create? Who do we support then? Its always easy to say we've learnt from the mistakes of the past and will stop before we make them again but experience shows that we repeat them time and time again.

That's exactly right. I seriously doubt anyone involved in this knee-jerk reaction of an invasion has thought that far ahead.

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I agree that it sounds like the French have rushed into things by recognizing this group, after all who are they?

Screw the French. What Libya does in its own country is none of their damned business. It's not America's business either.

I think every idiot who wanted to get involved is...well, a screwball idiot.


You guy whining, "Omar is killing his own people!"
You're not saying that about Lincoln and America's Civil War. Yeah, yeah, yeah...."But that's different!"

Screw that, too. People are dead at the expense of a national leader. Scream and justify all you want...doesn't change a thing.

Now you war bozos want to get in on the action and pile on the numbers. Build up the body count, yeah, that's the ticket. Blood thirsty a**holes.

Hey... its good for business


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