Pure Violence Video. Mexican Drug War.

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I am just putting this straight into SC.
WHAT DOES THIS TELL US ABOUT THE HUMAN CONDITION?

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Hey man, a WARNING about a graphic video showing a BEHEADING would have been helpful there for people that want to know what the heck you're talking about but don't actually need to LOOK at a BEHEADING.

WTF man? Use some common courtesy there.

I've already had one complaint about this and I'm not going to lock it or remove it, but holy crap. Warnings people. Give others a fair shake at being able to avoid this kind of crap.

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Looks like billvon removed your link. Can't say I blame him on the call.

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My reaction exactly when I first saw it!!!

Unfort, w/ the link being removed by the do-gooders, we'll never be able to discuss the state of the human condition!

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Hey man, a WARNING about a graphic video showing a BEHEADING would have been helpful there for people that want to know what the heck you're talking about but don't actually need to LOOK at a BEHEADING.

WTF man? Use some common courtesy there.

I've already had one complaint about this and I'm not going to lock it or remove it, but holy crap. Warnings people. Give others a fair shake at being able to avoid this kind of crap.

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Looks like billvon removed your link. Can't say I blame him on the call.

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Unfort, w/ the link being removed by the do-gooders, we'll never be able to discuss the state of the human condition!

I think you may be overstating the importance of the video to the discussion. I'm fairly certain a discussion can take place without the video being linked in an almost ambush way here for shock value.

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It was not for shock value. But it is shocking.
I am comfortably sitting behind my computer, drink in hand. I am living in a first-world country.

But then, I also have frequent interactions in third-world countries. Life is brutal there on occasion.

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Unfort, w/ the link being removed by the do-gooders, we'll never be able to discuss the state of the human condition!

I think you may be overstating the importance of the video to the discussion. I'm fairly certain a discussion can take place without the video being linked in an almost ambush way here for shock value.

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Some humans are inhuman:

Terror attack in Itamar: 5 family members murdered

Police suspect armed terrorist entered house in West Bank and stabbed couple along with 3 children; 2 other children escape unharmed. A team that arrived at the scene at 1:00 a.m. announced a couple, their 11-year old child, 3-year-old toddler, and a one-month baby girl dead from stabbing wounds.

Source: http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=211780

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John, why are you always around the corner with nothing substantial to add?

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Some humans are inhuman:

Terror attack in Itamar: 5 family members murdered

Police suspect armed terrorist entered house in West Bank and stabbed couple along with 3 children; 2 other children escape unharmed. A team that arrived at the scene at 1:00 a.m. announced a couple, their 11-year old child, 3-year-old toddler, and a one-month baby girl dead from stabbing wounds.

Source: http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=211780

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It was not for shock value. But it is shocking.
I am comfortably sitting behind my computer, drink in hand. I am living in a first-world country.

But then, I also have frequent interactions in third-world countries. Life is brutal there on occasion.

Life is pretty brutal everywhere on occassion. What's the point, there is a correlation between extreme acts of violence and poverty? Don't need to see someones head cut off to understand that.

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It's SOLELY fueled by the US, both in money and guns.

Maybe that's why it needs to be seen more North of the border???

P.S.: Msg me for the removed link.

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It was not for shock value. But it is shocking.
I am comfortably sitting behind my computer, drink in hand. I am living in a first-world country.

But then, I also have frequent interactions in third-world countries. Life is brutal there on occasion.

Life is pretty brutal everywhere on occassion. What's the point, there is a correlation between extreme acts of violence and poverty? Don't need to see someones head cut off to understand that.

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Not going to debate that, but the American desire to kick back with a drink in hand tends to trump peoples desire to actually do anything about the root causes. Inequity is a bad thing until it means you personally have to give up something to improve the lot of others... that's life.

Thanks, but no thanks. I've seen my fair share of snuff flicks.

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Life is pretty brutal everywhere on occassion. What's the point, there is a correlation between extreme acts of violence and poverty? Don't need to see someones head cut off to understand that.

It's SOLELY fueled by the US, both in money and guns.

Maybe that's why it needs to be seen more North of the border?

Drug violence is an worldwide problem. I don't see why you're acting as if Mexico is worse than other areas, or that the US is solely responsible. Do you believe the lie that cartels and drug smugglers get their guns from US sources?

And your beheading example is downright pedestrian compared to things going on in Mexico. Rolling severed heads into dance halls is not unheard-of. Massacres including dozens of victims occur all too often. Reprisals against uncooperative politicians an police are NRA daily, and generally lethal. Family members are on te "acceptable target" list of every cartel. An so on and so forth.

Shall we talk about Africa, or any other area where this and worse goes on on a daily basis?

So what was your point in posting this, if you had on beyond shock value?

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Drug violence is an worldwide problem. I don't see why you're acting as if Mexico is worse than other areas, or that the US is solely responsible.

Because it is worse than other areas and the US are mostly responsible.

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Good call Billvon

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Drug violence is an worldwide problem. I don't see why you're acting as if Mexico is worse than other areas, or that the US is solely responsible.

Because it is worse than other areas and the US are mostly responsible.

Mostly - is something that we can debate and discuss but the OP said Solely - which is not worth further discussion at all.

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Drug violence is an worldwide problem. I don't see why you're acting as if Mexico is worse than other areas, or that the US is solely responsible.

Because it is worse than other areas and the US are mostly responsible.

Colombia, El Salvador, Afghanistan, and a dozen other places would disagree. We just hear about Mexico more often because they are next door and the cartels fight for limited space and routes. It also makes for good scare tactics during a political campaign.

Your moving target is tough to hit, going from solely to mostly, but seeing as the US doesn't consume more than 50% of the drugs, how is it mostly responsible?

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Colombia, El Salvador, Afghanistan

Three other targets of US terrorism in the last couple decades. Thankfully the US has been there to save us from drugs... I mean Commies... I mean terrorists.

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We just hear about Mexico more often because they are next door and the cartels fight for limited space and routes. It also makes for good scare tactics during a political campaign.

We 'just' hear about Mexico because the death toll has sky rocketed directly because of the 2008 initiative - approved and backed by Washington.

Its not a pinko conspiracy I'm sure you've read the academic findings. Stop the state persecution - watch the violence drop to pre-2008 levels.

The US are also the lead exporter of arms and time and time again the seizures are bringing in AR-15s and whatever else. So US guns flooding Mexico isn't close to a lie.

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Your moving target is tough to hit, going from solely to mostly, but seeing as the US doesn't consume more than 50% of the drugs, how is it mostly responsible?

It's mostly responsible because the US say jump and Mexico as a general trend will ask what height they should try and attain.

Its not outside of reality to imagine Hillary and Obama telling Calderon the game is over and having it grind to a halt pretty quickly.

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Colombia, El Salvador, Afghanistan

Three other targets of US terrorism in the last couple decades. Thankfully the US has been there to save us from drugs... I mean Commies... I mean terrorists.

Ah, so pretty much every problem is mostly the fault of the US. It must make things simple in your world to always have a handy scapegoat.

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We just hear about Mexico more often because they are next door and the cartels fight for limited space and routes. It also makes for good scare tactics during a political campaign.

We 'just' hear about Mexico because the death toll has sky rocketed directly because of the 2008 initiative - approved and backed by Washington.

Its not a pinko conspiracy I'm sure you've read the academic findings. Stop the state persecution - watch the violence drop to pre-2008 levels.

Yeah, how dare those Mexicans try to take control of their country from organized crime. If they would just capitulate and let the cartels go back to running things and keep everyone corrupt, things would be so much better.

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The US are also the lead exporter of arms and time and time again the seizures are bringing in AR-15s and whatever else. So US guns flooding Mexico isn't close to a lie.

It's not close to a lie. It IS a lie. "AR15s and whatever else" is another one of those moving targets you like. The plain fact is the cartels are not being armed by shopping a US gun stores. They are certainly not being armed by the US government. They get their weapons from corrupt sources in the Mexican government and from international smugglers. Do you think the cartels want civilian legal semi-auto rifles? Or do you think they want machine guns, handgrenades, and other military hardware? If you want to know about the tiny portion of US guns that do show up at Mexican crime scenes, you need to look into US guns in Mexico and the lie of 90 percent. More educational reading can be found under the heading Project Gunwalker.

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...We 'just' hear about Mexico because the death toll has sky rocketed directly because of the 2008 initiative - approved and backed by Washington.

Its not a pinko conspiracy I'm sure you've read the academic findings. Stop the state persecution - watch the violence drop to pre-2008 levels.

The US are also the lead exporter of arms and time and time again the seizures are bringing in AR-15s and whatever else. So US guns flooding Mexico isn't close to a lie.

No. The violence has escalated so dramatically because the PRI was voted out. When they were in power, the drug cartels had deals in place that gave different groups different territories. The PRI took bribes to allow the cartels to operate freely and used the Mexican army to enforce the deals.
When the PRI lost power, the new administration tried to stop the cartels altogether and found out that it was impossible. Without the deals in place the different groups have gone to war against each other.

They also aren't seizing "AR-15s". They are seizing full auto M-16s, full auto AKs, M-203 grenade launchers, M-249 and M-240 Machine Guns, along with RPGs, and hand grenades. If you know of a gun store in the US that sells that kind of hardware, I'd really like to know where it is.
Most of the weapons come from the Mexican Army. More than a few of the gunmen working for the drug cartels come from there too.

They have traced some of the hand grenades back to the US. The problem with blaming the US for those is that they were originally exported to El Salvador in the 1980s. Just because a weapon is manufactured in the US doesn't mean that it came directly from the US.

The one exception to this is pistols. Because the Army doesn't use them much, and they aren't available to Mexican civilains, a lot of the pistols the cartels use do come directly from the US.

But the vast majority of them are stolen in the US, not purchased legally.

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Re: Handguns

Of course now that he have another incident f the BATFE being either criminally incompetant or just plain criminal, we have to ask how many of those handguns that were straw purchases wouldn't have been sold to suspicious folks by dealers until the dealers were told to make the sale by the BATFE.

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