jgoose71 0 #126 March 15, 2011 QuoteQuotethe black community is falling behind in that area. why would you say the black community is falling behind? Oh, I don't know, statistics? Here is a quick article that will help you get caught up: http://www.theroot.com/buzz/72-percent-african-american-children-born-unwed-mothers If you really want to help the black community get caught up, you should first start with the family unit. I'm not sounding off about right wing family values, I'm just saying that we have to do more to ensure people don't have kids until they are ready, and when they do come along, make sure that a mother and father are involved to bring them up with some kind of moral code and work ethic. Right now, Jersey Shore and Fifty Cent are raising the black kids not being raised by their grand parents. Did you even read the words of Barak Obama in my last post?"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalslug 36 #127 March 15, 2011 QuoteWhere is this "300 years of black majority rule" you speak of? You wait for me to correct my statement and then still manage to misquote me ? "..substantially longer periods of black majority rule within the last 300 years.." There you go, now let's play your game; Ghana March 6, 1874 to 1957 (Britain) That is 83 years of British colonialism. Who would you suppose was running things during the other 217 years? It wasn't white colonials. Would you like me to do the other countries ? It's interesting that you mention South America as having similar challenges as Africa. How did that work out? How does South America compare to Africa today? If you have ever included reading material on modern Africa in your diet, you would be aware of the widescale problems African countries continue to face even after billions of dollars in aid and other incentives, much of which dissolves away in the coffers of corrupt and incompetent governments. Africa barely even features in the syllabus of most MBA courses, being the proverbial basket case of the economic world. To what would you attribute these trends? It's not anything "inferior" of course, and so it's... culture? A culture that is in the interests of all Africans? A smart culture? You can only stand in the smoke for so long before you really need to acknowledge there's a fire somewhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #128 March 15, 2011 QuoteLess than 30, in my personal experience with (former) family statements. Less than 40, in my personal experience with employers. If you had applicants who had different qualities for a job you were hiring for, but the same educational level, would you take the guy who worked his way through the lesser college, or the guy whose parents paid for him to go to the better college? Or would you hire the guy you thought you'd be most comfortable working with, because that's part of the job, too? Wendy P. Are you getting those numbers from employers or from people you know who didn't get the job? Typically now a days with the economy being what it is, an employer who has a good paying job to offer will have up to 300 applications that he has to go through. Even more if it only requires a high school education. Up to thousands. After that then an employer after he wades through all of the aplications to find the qualified candidates, he has to look for stuff that makes them stand out. I think this is where you are getting confused. There is the ticket to get to the dance, and the something extra to date the prom queen. When you say 30% to 40%, are you really suggesting that 60% to 70% of the people hired aren't qualified for the job?"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #129 March 16, 2011 QuoteQuoteWhere is this "300 years of black majority rule" you speak of? You wait for me to correct my statement and then still manage to misquote me ? "..substantially longer periods of black majority rule within the last 300 years.." There you go, now let's play your game; Ghana March 6, 1874 to 1957 (Britain) That is 83 years of British colonialism. Who would you suppose was running things during the other 217 years? It wasn't white colonials. Would you like me to do the other countries ? It's interesting that you mention South America as having similar challenges as Africa. How did that work out? How does South America compare to Africa today? If you have ever included reading material on modern Africa in your diet, you would be aware of the widescale problems African countries continue to face even after billions of dollars in aid and other incentives, much of which dissolves away in the coffers of corrupt and incompetent governments. Africa barely even features in the syllabus of most MBA courses, being the proverbial basket case of the economic world. To what would you attribute these trends? It's not anything "inferior" of course, and so it's... culture? A culture that is in the interests of all Africans? A smart culture? You can only stand in the smoke for so long before you really need to acknowledge there's a fire somewhere. I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Africa is a very diverse continent. What specifcally do you believe is the cause of these trends? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,560 #130 March 16, 2011 Those "30 years" and "40 years" were things I heard. When I quit my first job at the end of the summer, the diner manager said "the law says we have to interview them -- it sure doesn't say we have to hire them." That was less than 40(!) years ago. I had some relatives-in-law (my ex-husband did not take after this) talk about how they'd never, ever work for a nigger. Actually, one of their daughters started the conversation, and no one objected. My jaw just dropped. They owned a business. The interesting thing was they had a black employee, who even lived with them. But it was clear from that and other conversations that the guidelines for hiring black people were very, very different from those for hiring white people. Those are anecdotal, but very, very real. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalslug 36 #131 March 16, 2011 Quote I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Africa is a very diverse continent. What specifcally do you believe is the cause of these trends? I should clarify the connection, since I have totally hijacked Kennedy's thread and my apologies to him for that. It has been suggested by some others in this thread that the poor exam results of African Americans in the DOJ exams, and possibly other exams elsewhere, are due to some type of inferiority of the examinees. It was then further added by some members that this perceived inferiority, if it exists, is due to the manner in which African Americans were historically disadvantaged. According to some, a similar system of discrimination still exists in the US today, largely due to a white majority population and government, and can therefore still be blamed for many inequalities. My angle on this is that African countries, who have endured comparatively less white majority influence than the US has in the last 300 years, are economically and intellectually disadvantaged still today. Based on the evidence that I have been exposed to, I am compelled to believe that the African American dilemma is more African than it is American. I am reluctant to refer to IQ as a direct factor since I agree with those that say IQ is not a reliably accurate measure of human performance. However; for better or for worse, something is notably different. Call it culture, values or whatever politically correct term works for you, but it is a phenomenon that does Africans a disservice, whether they be American or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #132 March 16, 2011 So you're saying you still don't know what it is then. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ridestrong 1 #133 March 16, 2011 Quote So you're saying you still don't know what it is then. The last paragraph in his post pretty clearly stated his "angle" on the matter. ...or are you just incorporating the same argumentative tactics as dreamdancer. *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #134 March 16, 2011 The last paragraph just says that there is something in the culture or values of Africans but gets no more specific than that. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ridestrong 1 #135 March 16, 2011 QuoteThe last paragraph just says that there is something in the culture or values of Africans but gets no more specific than that. Looking at these 2 sentences: >My angle on this is that African countries..... are >economically and intellectually disadvantaged still >today.... >I am reluctant to refer to IQ as a direct factor since I >agree with those that say IQ is not a reliably >accurate measure of human performance. I interpret it as he's saying that it's due to economical and intellectual disadvantage... but that the intellectual disadvantage is not necessarily based on lower IQ but (maybe just MY opinion) based more on a cultural disadvantage.*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #136 March 16, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotethe black community is falling behind in that area. why would you say the black community is falling behind? Oh, I don't know, statistics? the statistics reveal that blacks in the us are still very much discriminated against and racism is a large factor in that. you only have to look at the prison statistics to work that out... (and then there is this thread)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #137 March 16, 2011 QuoteDid you even read the words of Barak Obama in my last post? why are his words important - just words from another white man...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #138 March 16, 2011 QuoteI interpret it as he's saying that it's due to economical and intellectual disadvantage... but that the intellectual disadvantage is not necessarily based on lower IQ but (maybe just MY opinion) based more on a cultural disadvantage. i interpret it as racist gibberish...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #139 March 16, 2011 Quote Quote Did you even read the words of Barak Obama in my last post? why are his words important - just words from another white man... Wow, just wow. Why don't you just step up and say what you really mean and call him an "Uncle Tom?" Does all that hate for "the man" keep you warm at night? You are so far out there you got me defending Obama. That really says something."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #140 March 16, 2011 what that says is that you are very confused...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #141 March 16, 2011 QuoteUncle Tom is a term for a black person who behaves in a subservient manner to white people. The term comes from the title character of Harriet Beecher Stowe's 1852 novel Uncle Tom's Cabin. Critical and popular views of both the character and the novel have shifted over time, leading to the shift in the term's use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_tomstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
