Coreece 190 #26 March 14, 2011 QuoteDoesn't the Devil come in many forms? yep, the most common being religious leaders. Some are easy to spot...others not so much.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #27 March 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteDoesn't the Devil come in many forms? yep, the most common being religious leaders. Some are easy to spot...others not so much. You're earlier phrase "gullible athiests" is laughable compared to what "religious people" have been duped into believing. If you can convince them to believe in things like gods and devils, you can use them as you wish. They become tools. Consider that if it was the truth that the religious were spewing, it would stand up to simple scrutiny, critical thinking and skepticism. It wouldn't require all that faith(the suspension of rational thought) to believe it. In a word, it would make sense."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #28 March 15, 2011 Quote If you can convince them to believe in things like gods and devils If it's anything like convincing people to believe in things like good and evil, then I'm sure it's pretty easy....just subtract an "o" and add a "d."...but it is easy. It's not hard for most people to look at the incredible complexity of creation and the miraculous organization of life and give the credit to a supreme being. Now where we go from there is the hard part. Quote you can use them as you wish. They become tools. The greater evil is on the person manipulating the system, not those being manipulated...But I assure you, most people have the mental capacity to think for themselves and avoid being used as pawns in some type of sinister scheme... Quote In a word, it would make sense. It does make sense to billions of normal people from ALL walks of life from all around the world...but lemme guess, "atheists are just 100% right and the rest of the planet is just a bunch of delusional uneducated morons experiencing the magical wonders of the placebo effect."Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #29 March 15, 2011 Quote just a bunch of delusional uneducated morons experiencing the magical wonders of the placebo effect." Nice verbage....if I use it I'll credit you. By your logic, all the people who believed in all the previous gods were not "delusional, uneducated, morons.", yet you would tell me that they had it wrong. Your god is no more real than ANY god that has come before. They are all a fabrication of humans trying to explain away that which they don't understand. Time and time again humans have dispelled things that were once attributed to gods. There is nothing supernatural. There are plenty of things that we don't fully understand yet, but they are not the result of some imaginary god."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #30 March 15, 2011 Quote Your god is no more real than ANY god that has come before. Well considereing My God (the Alpha and Omega) created the Universe and everything in it, you really don't have a point. Quote They are all a fabrication of humans trying to explain away that which they don't understand. Time and time again humans have dispelled things that were once attributed to gods. Ya, Except for the most important and awe inspiring. Quote There is nothing supernatural. There are plenty of things that we don't fully understand yet, but they are not the result of some imaginary god. Now who's the one pushing thier beliefs on everyone else...I thought I read somewhere that you were against that and found it offensive...hmm, o'well...I must've been hallucinating.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #31 March 15, 2011 Quote Quote Your god is no more real than ANY god that has come before. Well considereing My God (the Alpha and Omega) created the Universe and everything in it, you really don't have a point. Quote They are all a fabrication of humans trying to explain away that which they don't understand. Time and time again humans have dispelled things that were once attributed to gods. Ya, Except for the most important and awe inspiring. Quote There is nothing supernatural. There are plenty of things that we don't fully understand yet, but they are not the result of some imaginary god. Now who's the one pushing thier beliefs on everyone else...I thought I read somewhere that you were against that and found it offensive...hmm, o'well...I must've been hallucinating. Hey, if you've got proof(or at least mere objective evidence) I'm all ears. If not, then yes, I think you're hallucinating."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #32 March 15, 2011 QuoteHey, if you've got proof(or at least mere objective evidence) I'm all ears. What, in your book, would constitute "proof"?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #33 March 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteHey, if you've got proof(or at least mere objective evidence) I'm all ears. What, in your book, would constitute "proof"? I have offered personal testimony of salvation and complete deliverance from addiction. That was rejected as not real or rational. Where do you from there? Stevebabin and others have no level of acceptable proof. That is as it should be. If you really don't need Jesus you will never meet Him.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #34 March 15, 2011 Pops: Proof (truth), sufficient evidence or argument for the truth of a proposition Ronald: For your evidence to be sufficient it has to be testable and repeatable. The story of your "saving" is neither. Again, if someone makes a ridiculous claim("I have an imaginary friend and you should bow down to him.") They should expect to be ridiculed."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #35 March 15, 2011 Quote Ronald: For your evidence to be sufficient it has to be testable and repeatable. The story of your "saving" is neither. Salvation and deliverance are repeatable experiences. You refuse to accept that truthful fact. As I stated above, if you don't need Jesus you will never see Him nor meet Him. Your level of need satisfaction is much lower and much simpler. I'm OK with that.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #36 March 15, 2011 Quoteif you don't need Jesus you will never see Him nor meet Him Mark 2:17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #37 March 15, 2011 QuoteSalvation and deliverance are repeatable experiences. You refuse to accept that truthful fact. I refuse to accept it because it is Grade-A Bullshit. Zero objective evidence, zero proof. If you need convince yourself that a lie is true to improve your fucked-up life, and it works, great... but don't try to pass it off as the truth without being able to back it up with *real* evidence."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #38 March 15, 2011 What about people of other religions who claim spiritual revelations? Do you accept their testimony as evidence? Is it not in direct conflict with your own evidence? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #39 March 15, 2011 Quoteyour fucked-up life In many cases, a christian's former "fucked-up life" was actually considered normal in the sight of the world and pop culture. edited for shpelling... man, ever since I've been playing scrabble more often, my spelling went to shite....what's up with that?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #40 March 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteyour fucked-up life In many cases, a christian's former "fucked-up life" was actually considered normal in the sight of the world and pop culture. edited for shpelling... man, ever since I've been playing scrabble more often, my spelling went to shite....what's up with that? Brings up another point...Most people I know who were "saved" as adults got "saved" during periods of extreme stress in their lives. It makes me think that it's some kind of mental coping mechanism rather than anything supernatural."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #41 March 15, 2011 QuoteWhat about people of other religions who claim spiritual revelations? Do you accept their testimony as evidence? Is it not in direct conflict with your own evidence? Yes and yes. I am not in a win/lose game. I just share the truth about Jesus Christ and my testimony. I have no vested interest in what others do.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #42 March 15, 2011 Quote Brings up another point...Most people I know who were "saved" as adults got "saved" during periods of extreme stress in their lives. It makes me think that it's some kind of mental coping mechanism rather than anything supernatural. I agree and have also found it true. Speaking of coping mechanisms, I used to use alcohol and drugs to cope with my anger. What do you use as a coping mechanism to deal with your anger?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #43 March 15, 2011 Quote Quote Brings up another point...Most people I know who were "saved" as adults got "saved" during periods of extreme stress in their lives. It makes me think that it's some kind of mental coping mechanism rather than anything supernatural. I agree and have also found it true. Speaking of coping mechanisms, I used to use alcohol and drugs to cope with my anger. What do you use as a coping mechanism to deal with your anger? Patience & Understanding along with photography, motorcycling, and occasionally skydiving. (edited because I can't spell either...)"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #44 March 15, 2011 Quote I agree and have also found it true. Speaking of coping mechanisms, I used to use alcohol and drugs to cope with my anger. What do you use as a coping mechanism to deal with your anger? Patience&Understandunding along with photography, motorcycling, and occasionally skydiving. That is terrific. The way I read your posts, with the arrogant condescension and profanity, I would never have thought you to be patient and understanding. Just goes to prove the inadequacy of Internet communication.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #45 March 15, 2011 Quote Quote I agree and have also found it true. Speaking of coping mechanisms, I used to use alcohol and drugs to cope with my anger. What do you use as a coping mechanism to deal with your anger? Patience&Understandunding along with photography, motorcycling, and occasionally skydiving. That is terrific. The way I read your posts, with the arrogant condescension and profanity, I would never have thought you to be patient and understanding. Just goes to prove the inadequacy of Internet communication. No, you read it right. While usually very patient and understanding, I can be quite condecending and profane if the situation warrants it. I don't suffer fools gladly."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #46 March 15, 2011 But if a Hindu claims he spoke directly with Vishnu, how can you accept that evidence without it impacting your own beliefs? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #47 March 15, 2011 QuoteBut if a Hindu claims he spoke directly with Vishnu, how can you accept that evidence without it impacting your own beliefs? By listening and believing the Hindu is speaking truthfully from his own perspective. Maybe he did speak to Vishnu, maybe he didn't.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #48 March 15, 2011 Quote I don't suffer fools gladly. Yes, I know the feeling.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #49 March 15, 2011 Do you believe that the trinity of Jesus Christ, the Holy Father, and the Holy Ghost is the only true God? If so, you must accept that the Hindu is either lying, delusional, or God has tricked him. None of those cases allows you to accept his statement and not change you own beliefs. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #50 March 15, 2011 QuoteDo you believe that the trinity of Jesus Christ, the Holy Father, and the Holy Ghost is the only true God? If so, you must accept that the Hindu is either lying, delusional, or God has tricked him. None of those cases allows you to accept his statement and not change you own beliefs. I am a professionally trained counselor. Yes, I am allowed.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
