rushmc 23 #51 March 10, 2011 Quote First of all, you "forgot" to quote the rest of the story: Quote The video doesn't show the choking incident, but clearly shows the shoving. Because of it, Sacramento Police officers cited Andazola for battery. Andazola tells a different story though. "He was spitting on me, he's bigger than me, and I told him to get off of me," Andazola said. "I was backing up and he was staying on me 'til the point that he spit in my mouth." That incident was the only one that occured. The rest of the demonstration fizzled out with arguments yelled across 10th Street. All of the demonstrators were gone by 3 p.m. when the rallies ended. Secondly, the fact that a union supporter assaulted a tea party rally attender doesn't have anything to do with my statement about some of the purported national leaders of the tea party being uneducated evangelical racists. You might as well have posted a soup recipe, it would be just as relevent to the point. Both side have violent assholes. By the way if you really watch the news you would understant that the majority of the violence comes from your union, non tea party, Obama supporting, SEIU and public sector ass hats NOT tea party memebers"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #52 March 10, 2011 I'm about as anti-union as they come. Anti-union does not equal pro-tea party. I can dislike them both. I realize your black and white world won't allow you to understand that, but it's true. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #53 March 10, 2011 Quote I'm about as anti-union as they come. Anti-union does not equal pro-tea party. I can dislike them both. I realize your black and white world won't allow you to understand that, but it's true. My world is not what you say but in any event You are unable to back you racists biggoted tea party position stating you get your info from the news As long as everybody here understands that I am ok with that "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #54 March 10, 2011 Political movements sometimes attract less than desirable elements, and it's expected they'll take the bad with the good. I think it's fair to say that the Tea Party movement has more racist people than its leadership (such as it is) would like. When courting civil war re-enactors, that's gonna happen. It doesn't necessarily mean the movement itself has any sort of racist underpinnings. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #55 March 10, 2011 QuoteWhen courting civil war re-enactors, that's gonna happen. It doesn't necessarily mean the movement itself has any sort of racist underpinnings. All the civil war reenactments I've seen seem to have about equal numbers of yankees and rebels. And just because someone is a rebel, doesn't mean that they're racist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #56 March 10, 2011 QuoteAll the civil war reenactments I've seen seem to have about equal numbers of yankees and rebels. And just because someone is a rebel, doesn't mean that they're racist. One side wanted to abolish slavery, the other side opposed this. Those who side with the latter are more likely to be racist than those who associate with the former. The correlation is certainly not 100%, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore general trends. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #57 March 10, 2011 QuoteI watch the news. There are plenty of people, your godsend Sarah Palin is one, who are desperately trying to take over the Tea Party. They, like her, are uneducated evangelicals. Palin hasn't shown herself to be a racist, but others have. When did Palin announce she's running on a Tea Party platform? Got a link to the announcement? "uneducated evangelicals" "racists" That's some FINE open-mindedness, there!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #58 March 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteI watch the news. There are plenty of people, your godsend Sarah Palin is one, who are desperately trying to take over the Tea Party. They, like her, are uneducated evangelicals. Palin hasn't shown herself to be a racist, but others have. When did Palin announce she's running on a Tea Party platform? Got a link to the announcement? "uneducated evangelicals" "racists" That's some FINE open-mindedness, there! And he backed it up well when given the chance didnt he..........."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #59 March 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteAll the civil war reenactments I've seen seem to have about equal numbers of yankees and rebels. And just because someone is a rebel, doesn't mean that they're racist. One side wanted to abolish slavery, the other side opposed this. Those who side with the latter are more likely to be racist than those who associate with the former. The correlation is certainly not 100%, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore general trends. Blues, Dave Have any proof of that, or are you judging ahead of evidence?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #60 March 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteAll the civil war reenactments I've seen seem to have about equal numbers of yankees and rebels. And just because someone is a rebel, doesn't mean that they're racist. One side wanted to abolish slavery, the other side opposed this. Those who side with the latter are more likely to be racist than those who associate with the former. The correlation is certainly not 100%, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore general trends. Blues, Dave Have any proof of that, or are you judging ahead of evidence? I don't feel compelled to prove it to your satisfaction, but for my own purposes I'd say it seems self-evident. One group thought negroes should be free, the other thought they should be tax-deductible. If you think the latter were the good guys, well, here's your sign. I don't think all southerners are racist, nor do I think all racists live in the south. There's a sizeable population of skinheads in nearby northern Idaho who seem overwhelmingly in favor of confederate flags. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #61 March 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAll the civil war reenactments I've seen seem to have about equal numbers of yankees and rebels. And just because someone is a rebel, doesn't mean that they're racist. One side wanted to abolish slavery, the other side opposed this. Those who side with the latter are more likely to be racist than those who associate with the former. The correlation is certainly not 100%, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore general trends. Blues, Dave Have any proof of that, or are you judging ahead of evidence? I don't feel compelled to prove it to your satisfaction, but for my own purposes I'd say it seems self-evident. One group thought negroes should be free, the other thought they should be tax-deductible. If you think the latter were the good guys, well, here's your sign. I don't think all southerners are racist, nor do I think all racists live in the south. There's a sizeable population of skinheads in nearby northern Idaho who seem overwhelmingly in favor of confederate flags. Blues, Dave Ok, so your argument seems to be 'but they play Rebels in re-enactments so they must be racist'. Great logic, there - about in line with the attempted stealth PA. Here's your sign.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #62 March 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAll the civil war reenactments I've seen seem to have about equal numbers of yankees and rebels. And just because someone is a rebel, doesn't mean that they're racist. One side wanted to abolish slavery, the other side opposed this. Those who side with the latter are more likely to be racist than those who associate with the former. The correlation is certainly not 100%, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore general trends. Blues, Dave Have any proof of that, or are you judging ahead of evidence? I don't feel compelled to prove it to your satisfaction, but for my own purposes I'd say it seems self-evident. One group thought negroes should be free, the other thought they should be tax-deductible. If you think the latter were the good guys, well, here's your sign. I don't think all southerners are racist, nor do I think all racists live in the south. There's a sizeable population of skinheads in nearby northern Idaho who seem overwhelmingly in favor of confederate flags. Blues, Dave Ok, so your argument seems to be 'but they play Rebels in re-enactments so they must be racist'. Great logic, there - about in line with the attempted stealth PA. Here's your sign. What part of QuoteThe correlation is certainly not 100%, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore general trends. reads as "so they must be racist" to you? English much? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #63 March 10, 2011 QuoteWhat part of QuoteThe correlation is certainly not 100%, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore general trends. reads as "so they must be racist" to you? English much? Blues, Dave Wow, you're right, Dave - they're only PROBABLY racist because they act the part of Rebels. Amazing logic, there. Using that line of thinking, Woody Harrelson is possibly a serial killer, what with that whole "Natural Born Killers" thing. And so is Mark Harmon after "Deliberate Strangers", or is he really a cop due to "NCIS"?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #64 March 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteWhat part of QuoteThe correlation is certainly not 100%, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore general trends. reads as "so they must be racist" to you? English much? Blues, Dave Wow, you're right, Dave - they're only PROBABLY racist because they act the part of Rebels. Amazing logic, there. Using that line of thinking, Woody Harrelson is possibly a serial killer, what with that whole "Natural Born Killers" thing. And so is Mark Harmon after "Deliberate Strangers", or is he really a cop due to "NCIS"? "More likely" /= "probably", and professional actors are a poor comparison due to an entirely different motivation ($) Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #65 March 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhat part of QuoteThe correlation is certainly not 100%, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore general trends. reads as "so they must be racist" to you? English much? Blues, Dave Wow, you're right, Dave - they're only PROBABLY racist because they act the part of Rebels. Amazing logic, there. Using that line of thinking, Woody Harrelson is possibly a serial killer, what with that whole "Natural Born Killers" thing. And so is Mark Harmon after "Deliberate Strangers", or is he really a cop due to "NCIS"? "More likely" /= "probably", "general trends" (your words) Quoteand professional actors are a poor comparison due to an entirely different motivation ($) Blues, Dave What "entirely different motivation" would the re-enactors have, Dave? That 'probable racism' because they're wearing a gray uniform instead of blue?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #66 March 10, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote What part of Quote The correlation is certainly not 100%, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore general trends. reads as "so they must be racist" to you? English much? Blues, Dave i Wow, you're right, Dave - they're only PROBABLY racist because they act the part of Rebels. Amazing logic, there. Using that line of thinking, Woody Harrelson is possibly a serial killer, what with that whole "Natural Born Killers" thing. And so is Mark Harmon after "Deliberate Strangers", or is he really a cop due to "NCIS"? "More likely" /= "probably", "general trends" (your words) "More likely" were also my words, one sentence prior. Let's assume for the sake of argument that 70% of fatal hook turns occur during high performance landings. One could accurately state that swoopers are more likely to hook in than non swoopers. Certainly all swoopers will not hook in, and some non swoopers will, and overall, both are fairly trivial comapred to the general population. If I note this trend, I am not saying anyone in particular is probably going to hook in. *** Quote and professional actors are a poor comparison due to an entirely different motivation ($) Blues, Dave What "entirely different motivation" would the re-enactors have, Dave? That 'probable racism' because they're wearing a gray uniform instead of blue? One of them is being paid to act like a douche, the other is doing it because they enjoy it. Kinda like how Remi wearing diapers and sucking on a pacifier doesn't mean he's actually a baby, he just enjoys role playing as one. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #67 March 11, 2011 QuoteOne of them is being paid to act like a douche, the other is doing it because they enjoy it. And, we're back around full circle. You have no way to know if they're doing it for the fun of putting on a show or if they actually agree with why the Rebels were fighting.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #68 March 11, 2011 QuoteIMO you're wrong. Wendy P. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NPR_TEA_PARTY_CRITICISM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-03-10-17-46-37 NPR is a fucking joke"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #69 March 11, 2011 Quote Liberal Media Member Reveals his True Feelings I didn't want to say anything, but where is the news in this? I've always thought it was assumed...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #70 March 11, 2011 The real joke is O'Keefe and people who buy his shit. He posed as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, tried to give NPR a bunch of shady money, they didn't accept it. Somehow he tries to frame the whole thing to make NPR look bad, and people like you jump on the bandwagon. They didn't take the money. What do you want them to do, hang up the phone whenever someone with an accent calls to offer a donation? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #71 March 11, 2011 QuoteThe real joke is O'Keefe and people who buy his shit. He posed as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, tried to give NPR a bunch of shady money, they didn't accept it. Somehow he tries to frame the whole thing to make NPR look bad, and people like you jump on the bandwagon. They didn't take the money. What do you want them to do, hang up the phone whenever someone with an accent calls to offer a donation? Nice attempt at a smokescreen. The donation has exactly WHAT to do with what the NPR dude said, pray tell?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #72 March 11, 2011 Try reading the post I replied to. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #73 March 11, 2011 QuoteTry reading the post I replied to. I did. I've also seen the transcript of the tape, where the NPR drone advised them that they could donate anonymously. "Kasaam:So it sounds like you’re saying that, um… I mean, it sounded like you were saying that NPR would be able to shield us from a government audit. Is that correct? Liley:I think that would be the case, especially if you anonymous. And I can inquire about that." I guess any further tapes will show if NPR is telling the truth, or doing futile, ACORN-esque ass-covering.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
