Liberal Media Member Reveals his True Feelings

[JohnRich 4]

News:

NPR exec calls tea party members racist, xenophobic in secretly recorded video

The former head of NPR's fundraising arm says in a surreptitiously recorded video by a conservative activist that members of the tea party movement are xenophobic and racist...

In the video, released Tuesday morning by conservative filmmaker James O'Keefe, NPR executive Ron Schiller disparages conservatives in general and tea party members in particular, saying that some of its followers are part of an "anti-intellectual" movement.

On the video, Schiller says: "The tea party is fanatically involved in people's personal lives and very fundamental Christian - I wouldn't even call it Christian. It's this weird evangelical kind of movement."

He adds that "tea party people" aren't "just Islamophobic, but really xenophobic, I mean basically they are, they believe in sort of white, middle-America gun-toting. I mean, it's scary. They're seriously racist, racist people."

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/08/AR2011030803148.html

More news:

NPR CEO Vivian Schiller Resigns After Hidden Camera Sting Snares Top Fundraiser

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/npr-ceo-vivian-schiller-resigns-james-okeefe-orchestrated/story?id=13092007

[ianmdrennan 2]

Seems reasonably accurate to me and members of the tea party I've come across.

Not sure what the big deal is.

To be fair, you could say this about ANY party.

Same deal with the guy who got fired from NPR who expressed a 'far right' opinion.

Ian

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[GeorgiaDon 385]

I think it's kind of funny that so many of the same people who get their panties in a wad about "political correctness" impeding their right to use racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, or just rude/offensive language are so quick to jump all over some so-called "liberal media member" for stating his opinions. I guess what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander, if the gander happens to be "liberal".

Would NPR be better off if they could get free of federal government funding (which is about 10% of their overall budget)? Sure, why is this even controversial? Isn't it a conservative dogma that everyone would be better off if they didn't need "government handouts"?

Is the Tea Party racist and xenophobic? To the extent that the Tea Party doesn't seem to even have a coherent platform, except "I'm angry, and I'm going to make sure everybody knows it", how could they be inherently racist? Does the Tea Party, as the party de jour of the disaffected and angry, tend to disproportionately attract people with racist and xenophobic points of view? Of course.

The only people who will be angered by this "stealth video" are the people who are looking for something to be angry about.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[Channman 2]

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Seems reasonably accurate to me and members of the tea party I've come across.

Not sure what the big deal is.

To be fair, you could say this about ANY party.

Same deal with the guy who got fired from NPR who expressed a 'far right' opinion.

Ian

> Seems reasonably accurate to me and members of the tea party I've come across.

Really, you hang out with Tea Party members? You sure your not confussing Tea Parrty members, with say Union thugs that hang out in front of peoples homes scaring their children. Or are you talking about SEIU members beating a Black Man because he was hanging out amoung the same people you say you bump into now and then.

So your on record that non-liberal Americans that have an opinion different from yours are mostly un-educated Racist. Our is that your opinion of Tea Party members only?

[wmw999 2,603]

No, it goes to that same hypocrisy thing. It's wrong coming from either side, but its tackier when you tell others not to do it, and then do it yourself.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Channman 2]

Your such a cutie, no really you are.
Back to my SELF IMPOSED BANNING.

[ianmdrennan 2]

Yes, actually, I do know and hang out with some tea party members. No, I don't agree with their philosophy and yes, I've generally found them to fit the stereotype described in the article.

I've always found spending time with people who don't think like me educational and interesting. It's forced me to reevaluate some ideas I've had and at other times has reinforced some ideas I have. My world isn't as black and white/me vs them/etc as yours appears to be. I enjoy the diversity.

There are times though, rarely, when someone is SO far "out there" (on any side) that I can't really find anything in common with them and have a difficult time relating. There are a number of left and right posters here who fit into that category (and I'm not implying yourself here since I don't really recall your posting history). It's a pity, but that's life I guess.

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So your on record that non-liberal Americans that have an opinion different from yours are mostly un-educated Racist. Our is that your opinion of Tea Party members only?

I really can only laugh at this statement. See above. I'm really not 'scared' of people who don't think like me. Seems, maybe you are?

Ian

Performance Designs Factory Team

[JohnRich 4]

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Same deal with the guy who got fired from NPR who expressed a 'far right' opinion.

If you're referring to Juan Williams, he's a self-professed liberal, and all he did was admit that when he's on an airplane and sees men in muslim garb come aboard, it makes him nervous. That's a long way from the blatant remarks made by Ron Schiller which are the topic of this thread.

[mirage62 0]

Ian,

Just seems that you are labling the entite tea party with the few that you have meet...I'm not doubting what you say about the ones you have meet...I just wonder if your sample is the entire group?

Most of the TP that I have meet, AREN'T at all like what you are saying...but hey that's in Ga

I admire that you "hang out" with people that are so different from what appears to be your core values!

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[rushmc 23]

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Seems reasonably accurate to me and members of the tea party I've come across.

Not sure what the big deal is.

To be fair, you could say this about ANY party.

Same deal with the guy who got fired from NPR who expressed a 'far right' opinion.

Ian

That would be Mr Williams

What was his far right opion?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Breaking

Not only did he leave NPR (which he had scheduled anyway)

he has now lost the new job he was heading to

I guess the new company does not need that type of inclusive open mindedness in thier ranks


(bty, not sure I agree with this but there are consequenses for actions and statement)

They (those who recorded this) say there are more videos to come.

My next question is

Will the group doing the stings get the same slack from the left as Wiki leaks

I mean

After all whistel blowing is a good thing

right?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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Will the group doing the stings get the same slack from the left as Wiki leaks

I mean

After all whistel blowing is a good thing

right?

An equally valid question would be whether the group doing the videos gets the same level of criticism from the right as Wikileaks has.

Although really, neither one of those questions is valid at alll, since the situations are totally different.

- Dan G

[rhaig 0]

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I really can only laugh at this statement. See above. I'm really not 'scared' of people who don't think like me. Seems, maybe you are?

Ian

I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, or that you're silly or anything, but when I read the above quoted section of your reply, I laughed. The only thing I could think was "I know you are, but what am I?"

--
Rob

[rushmc 23]

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Will the group doing the stings get the same slack from the left as Wiki leaks

I mean

After all whistel blowing is a good thing

right?

An equally valid question would be whether the group doing the videos gets the same level of criticism from the right as Wikileaks has.

Although really, neither one of those questions is valid at alll, since the situations are totally different.

No

Not really different at all

All the left cares about is whethere is attacks a subject near and dear to them


One thing for sure

This video is a perfect example of the arogant attitude the left carries

Perfect indeed

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[BIGUN 1,507]

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and all he did was admit that when he's on an airplane and sees men in muslim garb come aboard, it makes him nervous

Whereas, I'm more concerned about those that don't wear Muslim garb.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[DanG 1]

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No

Not really different at all

OK, since you think the situation is the same, where is your vitriolic hatred for the people doing this video? Since none appears to be forthcoming, you are obviously a supporter of Julian Assange.

Now I'll explain why it is not the same. Wikileaks released government documents. The head fundraiser for NPR is not a government employee. His statements are not official government positions, in fact they aren't even official NPR opinions.

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All the left cares about is whethere is attacks a subject near and dear to them

Pot, kettle.

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This video is a perfect example of the arogant attitude the left carries

If poinrting out how inconsistent and uneducated your opinions are means I'm arrogant, then I guess I am.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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No

Not really different at all

OK, since you think the situation is the same, where is your vitriolic hatred for the people doing this video? Since none appears to be forthcoming, you are obviously a supporter of Julian Assange.

Now I'll explain why it is not the same. Wikileaks released government documents. The head fundraiser for NPR is not a government employee. His statements are not official government positions, in fact they aren't even official NPR opinions.

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All the left cares about is whethere is attacks a subject near and dear to them

Pot, kettle.

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This video is a perfect example of the arogant attitude the left carries

If poinrting out how inconsistent and uneducated your opinions are means I'm arrogant, then I guess I am.

I never posted anything to any amount on Wiki

It is my position that the leaker should be gone after

As for JA, if he broke any laws then he should do the time

So I guess I am consistant on that

Now, what does NPR stand for and where do they get buches of money

Opps

That blows that bs you post off the page


And

Yes, you are

But for reasons other than you tell yourself

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,603]

NPR funding. They are not heavily supported by the Feds (even if you include the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which is partially supported by the Feds). Or other governments, for that matter.

Do you have any data that says otherwise? Data, not assertions.

I, on the other hand, do choose to give them money.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

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NPR funding. They are not heavily supported by the Feds (even if you include the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which is partially supported by the Feds). Or other governments, for that matter.

Wendy P.

I know they get money from many sources

But getting one tax dollar is an issue

Especially when they take the money and broadcast thier values and opinons

NPR and the tv stations get over 400 million bucks

They stay neutral or they loose the dollars

NPR has been anything but neutral for decades

I used to listen to it all the time

now there are just a few shows aired worth any time at all

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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It is my position that the leaker should be gone after

As for JA, if he broke any laws then he should do the time

So I guess I am consistant on that

You're only consistent if you think the producers of this video about the NPR fundraiser should also be "gone after". Do you?

- Dan G

[DanG 1]

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NPR has been anything but neutral for decades

NPR and PBS are about as neutral as it gets. Of course, you probably think Fox is neutral.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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It is my position that the leaker should be gone after

As for JA, if he broke any laws then he should do the time

So I guess I am consistant on that

You're only consistent if you think the producers of this video about the NPR fundraiser should also be "gone after". Do you?

If they broke a law?

Yes


It is different from state to state

In Iowa, if one party knows the converstion is being taped then it is legal

In some states both parties must know for it to be legal

But what the hell is the matter here?

Was he truthful?

Why should he be ashamed of that

Do you agree with him?

If so please say so

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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NPR has been anything but neutral for decades

NPR and PBS are about as neutral as it gets. Of course, you probably think Fox is neutral.

This post is now nominated for the craziest post of the year



Funny shit man

Thanks

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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Do you agree with him?

If so please say so

I haven't watched the video, since I can't stream video at work. From the text, I would agree with him that a lot of the most vocal members of the Tea Party are uneducated evangelical racists. That doesn't mean they all are, or even that a majority is, but there are certainly some prominent people who fit that profile, and who are trying very hard to bend the Tea Party agenda to their views.

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I don't think there is anything wrong with what he said, since he said it in private, as a private citizen. I also didn't think there was anything wrong with what Juan Williams said. Of course, both of them shouldn't be suprized by the consequences. William's consequences were a $2 million deal from Fox.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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Do you agree with him?

If so please say so

I haven't watched the video, since I can't stream video at work. From the text, I would agree with him that a lot of the most vocal members of the Tea Party are uneducated evangelical racists. That doesn't mean they all are, or even that a majority is, but there are certainly some prominent people who fit that profile, and who are trying very hard to bend the Tea Party agenda to their views.

Really

Where have you met them?

Or are you just taking NPR's word for that?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln