Guest #1 March 8, 2011 I can't understand why anyone would be so foolish as to be a Christian in a shit-hole like that. Excerpt: "Some of the culprits were arrested, but 29 still remain at large, as does the mullah who incited the attack, falsely accusing Gojra's Christians of desecrating the Koran." Story Please see also "Christians Under Siege in the Muslim World" mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #2 March 9, 2011 Quote: "...masked and armed militants went door-to-door, setting Christian homes ablaze. Where they saw Christians escaping the roaring flames, they opened fire, forcing them to flee in panic, clambering over nearby rooftops. The police had melted away at the start of the five-hour pogrom. And when it was over, nine people were dead, while 70 homes and three churches lay smoldering." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #3 March 9, 2011 Here's the part that really gets me: QuoteThe blasphemy laws make the death penalty mandatory for anyone found to have insulted Islam and its Prophet. In practice, a mere accusation is enough to spark a mob's rage, often directed at Pakistan's vulnerable minorities, while the state remains complicit. "The injustice is that if two people get together and accuse one of us, we are sentenced to death," says Zulfikar. "There's no need of any proof, just one person's testimony." In Gojra, the police simply melted away. But in the case of Aasia Noreen, a farm worker from another part of Punjab who was last year hounded by a mob that accused her of blaspheming, the police actually facilitated her persecution, charging her with blasphemy after ostensibly taking her into protective custody. She became the first woman sentenced to death in Pakistan, and it was in her defense that Taseer and Bhatti rose to renew their calls for the laws to be reformed. But their pleas were cast by opponents as acts of blasphemy as well. Taseer's death was celebrated at large rallies, led by the religious right. The law's keenest champions, of course, have little patience with due process and prefer to take matters into their own hands. Power-hungry assholes, corrupt government workers, and charismatic psychopaths don't surprise me. What kills me is how hundreds of "normal" people fly into homicidal rage over the merest accusations of insults. Have the radical teachings just melted their brains?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #4 March 9, 2011 thank god mark harju is here to show the world what good people christians really are. isn't your god in control of those pesky muslims anyway? seems like you should probably be crying to jesus, not us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #5 March 9, 2011 makes you wonder why the People of Peace (tm) have for so long been an ally of this country. As the People of Peace Police Force of the World (tm), shouldn't you stop these genocidal atrocities? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #6 March 9, 2011 Oh no, now the Jews are picking on Christains toohttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/oct/17/religion.israel When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #7 March 9, 2011 News: "At least 38 people were killed and 74 others wounded Saturday when a suicide bomber stepped onto a bus carrying Shiite pilgrims in Iraq and detonated himself, police officials said. The attack was the second targeting pilgrims in the last three days." Source: http://articles.cnn.com/2011-02-12/world/iraq.bombing_1_shiite-pilgrims-suicide-bomber-samarra?_s=PM:WORLD They're so peaceful, they even kill fellow muslims, while they're engaged in peaceful activity. But instead of being outraged by this behavior, instead you are outraged by Christians who are NOT blowing people up on a regular basis. Go figure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #8 March 9, 2011 Who is enraged? And actually christians have been blowing people up on a regular basis. We've recklessly murdered thousands of kids in our war on terror. Our kids also massacre their fellow students, we beat and murder our wives, we commit the same savage acts of violence that every other group of people in the world do. The way mark harju sensationalizes horrible acts of some muslims is the same way his bigoted muslim counterparts sensationalize pictures of dismembered children from US drone attacks. In a much poorer less developed environment this leads to more violence like in the OP. But the common denominator of angry christians and angry muslims is almost always just a lack of education, money, and the inability to see the other side as people. Its easy to dehumanize people you don't understand. But I've personally never experienced kindness and hospitality anywhere else like I have in muslim countries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #9 March 9, 2011 Quote makes you wonder why the People of Peace (tm) have for so long been an ally of this country. As the People of Peace Police Force of the World (tm), shouldn't you stop these genocidal atrocities? Same reason the US and UK were allies of the USSR in the forties; they had bigger problems. There are different levels of "allies," wouldn't you say? After all, the US is on good terms with India and Pakistan. They don't exactly love each other. The US works with Pakistan, but I don't think anyone other than a politician making a speech would call them trusted and true friends. As for the police force bit, I can't answer for Mark but I surely don't want the US to be the world's police force. We do too much of that already. And besides, cops gotta get paid. If the US keeps it up, they're going to need to start charging other countries for services rendered. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #10 March 10, 2011 QuoteWho is enraged? And actually christians have been blowing people up on a regular basis. We've recklessly murdered thousands of kids in our war on terror. Our kids also massacre their fellow students, we beat and murder our wives, we commit the same savage acts of violence that every other group of people in the world do. The Christians in Egypt and Iraq have done none of those things. The only thing they are guilty of is not being muslims. However, in Hadjii's eyes, that's more than enough. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #11 March 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteWho is enraged? And actually christians have been blowing people up on a regular basis. We've recklessly murdered thousands of kids in our war on terror. Our kids also massacre their fellow students, we beat and murder our wives, we commit the same savage acts of violence that every other group of people in the world do. The Christians in Egypt and Iraq have done none of those things. The only thing they are guilty of is not being muslims. However, in Hadjii's eyes, that's more than enough. In Lebanon, especially in/around Beirut, there were years and years where Christians were blowing up Muslims simply for not being Christians. And in the Indian strife before the India/Pakistan partition, there were considerable massacres of Muslims simply for not being Hindus. Now I realize that the latter example probably just reinforces Harju's View (tm) of all towel-heads; but there you have it. Makes you kinda Sikh, doesn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #12 March 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteWho is enraged? And actually christians have been blowing people up on a regular basis. We've recklessly murdered thousands of kids in our war on terror. Our kids also massacre their fellow students, we beat and murder our wives, we commit the same savage acts of violence that every other group of people in the world do. The Christians in Egypt and Iraq have done none of those things. The only thing they are guilty of is not being muslims. However, in Hadjii's eyes, that's more than enough. In Lebanon, especially in/around Beirut, there were years and years where Christians were blowing up Muslims simply for not being Christians. And in the Indian strife before the India/Pakistan partition, there were considerable massacres of Muslims simply for not being Hindus. Now I realize that the latter example probably just reinforces Harju's View (tm) of all towel-heads; but there you have it. Makes you kinda Sikh, doesn't it? Are you justifying present actions for ones that happened years ago?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #13 March 10, 2011 Quote Quote In Lebanon, especially in/around Beirut, there were years and years where Christians were blowing up Muslims simply for not being Christians. And in the Indian strife before the India/Pakistan partition, there were considerable massacres of Muslims simply for not being Hindus. Now I realize that the latter example probably just reinforces Harju's View (tm) of all towel-heads; but there you have it. Makes you kinda Sikh, doesn't it? Are you justifying present actions for ones that happened years ago? It sounds like he's trying to say that the Lebanese Civil War was a Christian Jihad or some type of Maronite Crusade...who knows. All he's really doing is just trying to find jabs to throw at christians. I'll give the muslims 5-10 years to piss him off enough so that he'll be an equal opportunity hater.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #14 March 11, 2011 Quote Quote Quote In Lebanon, especially in/around Beirut, there were years and years where Christians were blowing up Muslims simply for not being Christians. And in the Indian strife before the India/Pakistan partition, there were considerable massacres of Muslims simply for not being Hindus. Now I realize that the latter example probably just reinforces Harju's View (tm) of all towel-heads; but there you have it. Makes you kinda Sikh, doesn't it? Are you justifying present actions for ones that happened years ago? It sounds like he's trying to say that the Lebanese Civil War was a Christian Jihad or some type of Maronite Crusade...who knows. All he's really doing is just trying to find jabs to throw at christians. I'll give the muslims 5-10 years to piss him off enough so that he'll be an equal opportunity hater. Christian = Bad Anything BUT Christian = TolerableI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #15 March 11, 2011 Quote Christian = Bad Anything BUT Christian = Tolerable So much for it being "Taboo to criticize the majority," eh?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #16 March 11, 2011 That's not at all what Andy's saying, and you know it. On the other hand, there are a number of posters, yourself included, who quite clearly believe: Muslim = BAD Anything BUT Muslim = Tolerable - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #17 March 11, 2011 QuoteThat's not at all what Andy's saying, and you know it. On the other hand, there are a number of posters, yourself included, who quite clearly believe: Muslim = BAD Really? Please link the posts which state Muslims are bad I think the extremeists are bad but certinaly not all muslims You really need to drink less coffee or something......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #18 March 11, 2011 QuotePlease link the posts which state Muslims are bad You've got to be kidding me. Okay, I'll do that as soon as you link to the posts that say Christians are bad. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #19 March 11, 2011 QuoteQuotePlease link the posts which state Muslims are bad You've got to be kidding me. Okay, I'll do that as soon as you link to the posts that say Christians are bad. Huh? I have no comment on Christians I (for the most part) stay out of religious debates It is all based on faith (by both sides) so to me it is a personal issue But back to the Muslims You and the left use the bs like you do here to try and stop any debate I really can not understand that because radical islamoextremeists are trying to kill people and they need to be dealt with. To think otherwise is to have ones head buried in the sand Anyway I find this kind of entertaining Thanks"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #20 March 11, 2011 QuoteHuh? I have no comment on Christians Read the thread. turtlespeed accused Andy9o8 of saying Christians are bad, but everyone else is good. I responded to that. If you don't want to talk about that, why are you posting? QuoteBut back to the Muslims You and the left use the bs like you do here to try and stop any debate What are you talking about? What bs? Who is trying to stop debate? Please form your thoughts, you general, "Everything I don't understand is bad," is not going to cut it. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #21 March 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteHuh? I have no comment on Christians Read the thread. turtlespeed accused Andy9o8 of saying Christians are bad, but everyone else is good. I responded to that. If you don't want to talk about that, why are you posting? QuoteBut back to the Muslims You and the left use the bs like you do here to try and stop any debate What are you talking about? What bs? Who is trying to stop debate? Please form your thoughts, you general, "Everything I don't understand is bad," is not going to cut it. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #22 March 11, 2011 Quote Typical - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #23 March 11, 2011 Quote Quote Typical 10 for 10 "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #24 March 11, 2011 Quote That's not at all what Andy's saying, and you know it. On the other hand, there are a number of posters, yourself included, who quite clearly believe: Muslim = BAD Anything BUT Muslim = Tolerable Ahhh - I see Kallend has lent you his mindreading time machine again.Does that plug in - or does it have a flux capacitor and a Mr Fusion?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #25 March 11, 2011 Well, you must have borrowed it first. My post is almost a direct rewriting of yours. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
