dreamdancer 0 #1 March 8, 2011 a thinner blue line... QuotePolice chiefs have privately told ministers that a total of 28,000 jobs will be lost from the 43 forces in England and Wales because of government funding cuts, the Guardian has learned. The confidential calculation from the Association of Chief Police Officers is the most authoritative so far about the effects on police numbers caused by a 20% reduction in government grants, and the first from police chiefs to be made public. It predicts the number of officers will fall by 12,000, while civilian staff will have to be cut by 16,000, several sources say. Urban areas, which have the highest crime rates, will be hit hardest because they are more reliant on government money, opening the coalition to charges that cuts will fall hardest on the poor areas. The figures come in one of the most tumultuous weeks for British policing in modern times and could herald a showdown with the government. The first part of the Winsor report into police pay will be released on Tuesday, with the government saying police will have to accept a cut in take-home pay in return for fewer job losses. On Thursday a review of public sector pensions by former Labour minister Lord Hutton will be released and is expected to ask police and other public sector workers to make increased contributions of hundreds of pounds a year. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/mar/07/police-chiefs-lose-28000-staffstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #2 March 8, 2011 LOL... I was just about to post the same story. It nuts, what the hell are the Government doing? First they make us vulnerable internationally by getting rid of our Harriers, sacking 1 in 4 RAF pilots and loads of soldiers (some by e-mail!) Now they make us vulnerable on the streets and in our homes. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #3 March 8, 2011 Quote what the hell are the Government doing? First they make us vulnerable internationally by getting rid of our Harriers, sacking 1 in 4 RAF pilots and loads of soldiers (some by e-mail!) Now they make us vulnerable on the streets and in our homes. And they aren't allowed to have decent guns for self defense! I recall that at the beginning of WWII, England had to ask for guns from American to use for home defense. The NRA had a gun collection drive, and the civilian-donated firearms were shipped to the U.K. and distributed to home defense forces. Then after the war, those guns were gathered up and destroyed, leaving them defenseless once again. I would think that those Brits would have learned a lesson about this by now... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #4 March 8, 2011 Thankfully the Americans did. No way would you get people to give guns to a cause like that again. Now if we could only get our government to understand that....hopefully BEFORE we get involved with Libya. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #5 March 8, 2011 Quote Quote what the hell are the Government doing? First they make us vulnerable internationally by getting rid of our Harriers, sacking 1 in 4 RAF pilots and loads of soldiers (some by e-mail!) Now they make us vulnerable on the streets and in our homes. And they aren't allowed to have decent guns for self defense! I recall that at the beginning of WWII, England had to ask for guns from American to use for home defense. The NRA had a gun collection drive, and the firearms were shipped to the U.K. and distributed to home defense forces. Then after the war, those guns were gathered up and destroyed, leaving them defenseless once again. I would think that those Brits would have learned a lesson about this by now... I thought self defense is a crime in England. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #6 March 8, 2011 Quote Quote Quote what the hell are the Government doing? First they make us vulnerable internationally by getting rid of our Harriers, sacking 1 in 4 RAF pilots and loads of soldiers (some by e-mail!) Now they make us vulnerable on the streets and in our homes. And they aren't allowed to have decent guns for self defense! I recall that at the beginning of WWII, England had to ask for guns from American to use for home defense. The NRA had a gun collection drive, and the firearms were shipped to the U.K. and distributed to home defense forces. Then after the war, those guns were gathered up and destroyed, leaving them defenseless once again. I would think that those Brits would have learned a lesson about this by now... I thought self defense is a crime in England. It is. You are not allowed to help yourself there, it is not only illegal, it is rude.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #7 March 8, 2011 Self defence is perfectly legel in the UK... no idea about defense though over here. Maybe that's where the confusion arises. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #8 March 8, 2011 Quote Self defence is perfectly legel in the UK... no idea about defense though over here. Maybe that's where the confusion arises. When the intruder has a gun, it's pretty pointless. Ya'll like to bring cricket bats to gun fights.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #9 March 8, 2011 I dunno. If there's an intruder in my house I might well shoot him. I can even do so as a preemptive strike. I don't own a cricket bat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #10 March 8, 2011 Quote .... I recall that at the beginning of WWII... How old were you, back then? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 March 8, 2011 Quote I dunno. If there's an intruder in my house I might well shoot him. I can even do so as a preemptive strike. I don't own a cricket bat. You may want to look up the comparative force laws, mate - wouldn't want you to end up in gaol. And don't forget to take the window mesh off your garden hut - wouldn't want that hard-working burglar to suffer an on-the-job injury, don't you know.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 617 #12 March 9, 2011 Quote Quote I dunno. If there's an intruder in my house I might well shoot him. I can even do so as a preemptive strike. I don't own a cricket bat. You may want to look up the comparative force laws, mate - wouldn't want you to end up in gaol. And don't forget to take the window mesh off your garden hut - wouldn't want that hard-working burglar to suffer an on-the-job injury, don't you know. From his profile Quote Occupation: Lawyer Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #13 March 9, 2011 Quote I dunno. If there's an intruder in my house I might well shoot him. I can even do so as a preemptive strike. I don't own a cricket bat. Ahh come on, any day now the nanny state will introduce laws against fly squatting as cruelity against insects. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #14 March 9, 2011 QuoteThen after the war, those guns were gathered up and destroyed... well, it would have been silly to do that during the war...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #15 March 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteThen after the war, those guns were gathered up and destroyed... well, it would have been silly to do that during the war... In peacetime, after successfully using a self-defense gun against an intruder in your home, would it make sense to then throw away that gun, under the assumption that it will never be needed again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #16 March 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteThen after the war, those guns were gathered up and destroyed... well, it would have been silly to do that during the war... In peacetime, after successfully using a self-defense gun against an intruder in your home, would it make sense to then throw away that gun, under the assumption that it will never be needed again? the assumption is we won the war and can get plenty of guns if needed... (how's it feel china paying for all your weapons)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #17 March 9, 2011 QuoteQuote In peacetime, after successfully using a self-defense gun against an intruder in your home, would it make sense to then throw away that gun, under the assumption that it will never be needed again? the assumption is we won the war and can get plenty of guns if needed... (how's it feel china paying for all your weapons) Sure you can get guns. You buy them. From the USA. We make the best. And what do you mean about China and US weapons. They certainly don't need or want our small arms, and we don't sell them the bigger stuff. They steal a fair portion of technical data, but they're not paying the US for it.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #18 March 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote In peacetime, after successfully using a self-defense gun against an intruder in your home, would it make sense to then throw away that gun, under the assumption that it will never be needed again? the assumption is we won the war and can get plenty of guns if needed... (how's it feel china paying for all your weapons) Sure you can get guns. you agree with me then...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #19 March 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote In peacetime, after successfully using a self-defense gun against an intruder in your home, would it make sense to then throw away that gun, under the assumption that it will never be needed again? the assumption is we won the war and can get plenty of guns if needed... (how's it feel china paying for all your weapons) Sure you can get guns. you agree with me then... Not really. You see, grownups read the entire post or article. They don't stop at the first sentence. My post looked something like this: QuoteSure you can get guns. You buy them. From the USA. We make the best. And what do you mean about China and US weapons. They certainly don't need or want our small arms, and we don't sell them the bigger stuff. They steal a fair portion of technical data, but they're not paying the US for it. So have you got anything to say about the entire post? Also, I should have pointed out that the UK government can get guns. Not so much the everyday subject of the crown.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #20 March 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote In peacetime, after successfully using a self-defense gun against an intruder in your home, would it make sense to then throw away that gun, under the assumption that it will never be needed again? the assumption is we won the war and can get plenty of guns if needed... (how's it feel china paying for all your weapons) Sure you can get guns. you agree with me then... Not really. You see, grownups read the entire post or article. and in the first sentence you agree with me... (how much do you owe china now for your weapons)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #21 March 10, 2011 Quote Self defence is perfectly legel in the UK... no idea about defense though over here. Maybe that's where the confusion arises. Actually with the Health and Safety Nazis running our country, it is No longer legal to take your own fences down. Defencing must be carried out by a fully trained and qualified professional. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #22 March 10, 2011 You make the best? , the MOD isn't buying based on what is best but on what is most cost effective. Its assumed that the UK forces will not go into action again without being part of a combined US UK effort, therefore it makes sense to buy US so that when our piss poor logistics fails due to wankers sitting in the MOD we can get resupplied via the US logistical supply. Sad to say but true. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #23 March 10, 2011 Quote You make the best? , the MOD isn't buying based on what is best but on what is most cost effective. Its assumed that the UK forces will not go into action again without being part of a combined US UK effort, therefore it makes sense to buy US so that when our piss poor logistics fails due to wankers sitting in the MOD we can get resupplied via the US logistical supply. Sad to say but true. But, as the WW2 showed .. at a MASSIVE cost. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #24 March 10, 2011 Yep! But thats the short sighted way the idiots in charge do business these days, never looking beyond the year end and most of the time beyond the next quarter.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #25 March 10, 2011 QuoteYep! But thats the short sighted way the idiots in charge do business these days, never looking beyond the next election. FIFY - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
