usedtajump 1 #76 March 8, 2011 Another excuse for firearms dealers to drive prices up even more. "Better get 'em now before they GPS em". The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #77 March 8, 2011 Quote>Onstar isn't going to be triggered (whether manually or automatically) unless >there's a problem - accident, theft, or "I've locked myself in the car!" (yes, that's >a joke). Onstar is used to collect regular maintenance data from cars, and can be used to track cars remotely. Indeed, such information has been obtained under court order to track suspects. Next! Triggered by an external source at the shop or by police. When you have to nit-pick this hard, it's obvious your analogy sucks rocks. Next, indeed.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #78 March 8, 2011 Quote>In order for the system to be at all useful the gun would have to >fail-disabled (otherwise you could just intentionally exhuast the power supply) I imagine it would be powered from parasitic power from the discharge itself. A piezo device can recover about a watt-hour from a relatively energetic event (i.e. a drop of a laptop from three feet onto a concrete floor.) When the stored energy from the discharge is gone, it stops transmitting. Yeah, I considered that, but by the time the gun has been fired, it's too late to determine that it can't get a good GPS signal or phone home successfully because those functions are being intentionally interfered with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #79 March 8, 2011 QuoteQuote>so you're going to ask the judge to issue a warrant because they were in >the vicinity with their legally purchased, legally carried, unmodified chipped, >tracked firearm?? If they fired it in the same location, at the same time that the murder occurred - yes. Which is pretty reasonable. If you walked into a police station and said "so I was at the location of the murder, and I fired my gun near the victim at the same time his death occurred - but it wasn't me" they might ask you a few questions about it, no? oh!!! so we're not tracking location, but use now as well. so now it's a more complex mechanism. Let's add DNA registries and electronic palm matching while we're being all fanciful ok? Since he is ok with second amendment tracking he should be ok with first amendment tracking All citizens will be fitted or implanted with a gps tracker Anytime the voice speaks the tracker is activated That way, if any thing is said that the left does not like then they will know who said it or at least they may have 1000000 leads if it happens at a rally or something and can then take the actions warranted"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #80 March 8, 2011 QuoteGood idea in theory; implementation problems make it impractical. Worked well in NIWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #81 March 8, 2011 QuoteLooking at that report, one might conclude that the weapon with identifier 755456, discharged at 6:35pm at location 34.0526,-118.2462, is now at 34.0742,-118.2588. So I guess you would support GPS trackers on every vehicle as well? Think about the benefit the cops would have on not only violent crime, but also theft. 12/22/01 18:35 Car started - reporting enabled for ident 755456 12/22/01 18:35 Ident 755456 Location 34.0526,-118.2462 12/22/01 18:35 Ident 755456 Car stopped 12/22/01 18:35 Ident 755456 Door opened 12/22/01 18:36 Ident 755456 Door closed 12/22/01 18:38 Ident 755456 Location 34.0586,-118.2446 12/22/01 18:39 Ident 755456 Door opened/car started 12/22/01 18:40 Ident 755456 Location 34.0742,-118.2588 12/22/01 18:41 Ident 755456 Location 34.0742,-118.2588 12/22/01 18:42 Ident 755456 Car stopped/door opened/closed 12/22/01 18:43 Ident 755456 Location 34.0742,-118.2588 Think about how easy it would be for police if they had a GPS tag on everyones car!!!!! They could just look at who was in the area, and then use the GPS to find and question them. Since you want to reduce crime.... You support GPS tracking for every car then right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #82 March 8, 2011 QuoteOnstar is triggered by an accident or after theft, not from normal use like you suggest for the gun tracker. Not applicable, sorry. On star can also be triggered remotely and conversations can be listened to and vehicles tracked.. It really is quite similar as what Bill is suggesting. Information about location of (insert gun or car) can be obtained if a crime has been committed with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #83 March 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteOnstar is triggered by an accident or after theft, not from normal use like you suggest for the gun tracker. Not applicable, sorry. On star can also be triggered remotely and conversations can be listened to and vehicles tracked.. It really is quite similar as what Bill is suggesting. Information about location of (insert gun or car) can be obtained if a crime has been committed with it. or a talking person right?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #84 March 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteOnstar is triggered by an accident or after theft, not from normal use like you suggest for the gun tracker. Not applicable, sorry. On star can also be triggered remotely and conversations can be listened to and vehicles tracked.. Yes, I mentioned that above. It is triggered AFTER the the accident or theft or other problem. QuoteIt really is quite similar as what Bill is suggesting. Information about location of (insert gun or car) can be obtained if a crime has been committed with it. No, it's really not. There's a large difference between initiating tracking/monitoring after an event and logging all events.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #85 March 9, 2011 Quote12/22/01 18:35 Ident 755456 Car stopped 12/22/01 18:35 Ident 755456 Door opened 12/22/01 18:36 Ident 755456 Door closed 12/22/01 18:38 Ident 755456 Location 34.0586,-118.2446 12/22/01 18:39 Ident 755456 Door opened/car started Public urination is against the law you know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #86 March 9, 2011 Quote Quote 12/22/01 18:35 Ident 755456 Car stopped 12/22/01 18:35 Ident 755456 Door opened 12/22/01 18:36 Ident 755456 Door closed 12/22/01 18:38 Ident 755456 Location 34.0586,-118.2446 12/22/01 18:39 Ident 755456 Door opened/car started Public urination is against the law you know. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #87 March 9, 2011 QuoteNo, it's really not. There's a large difference between initiating tracking/monitoring after an event and logging all events. On Star keeps logs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #88 March 9, 2011 Which is why I'll never own a GM car. GPS in firearms is a stupid idea. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #89 March 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteNo, it's really not. There's a large difference between initiating tracking/monitoring after an event and logging all events. On Star keeps logs. QuoteQ. Does OnStar know where I am all the time? A. No, OnStar does not continuously or routinely monitor, update or otherwise track the location of OnStar-equipped cars. OnStar only knows the location of a car when a user initiates a request for service, there is an Air Bag Deployment, an Advanced Automatic Crash Notification occurs, your OnStar equipment calls OnStar with data updates or when required to locate a car by a valid court order in criminal procedures or under exigent circumstances. OnStar requires police involvement for Stolen Vehicle Assistance and missing person requestsMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #90 March 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteNo, it's really not. There's a large difference between initiating tracking/monitoring after an event and logging all events. On Star keeps logs. QuoteQ. Does OnStar know where I am all the time? A. No, OnStar does not continuously or routinely monitor, update or otherwise track the location of OnStar-equipped cars. OnStar only knows the location of a car when a user initiates a request for service, there is an Air Bag Deployment, an Advanced Automatic Crash Notification occurs, your OnStar equipment calls OnStar with data updates or when required to locate a car by a valid court order in criminal procedures or under exigent circumstances. OnStar requires police involvement for Stolen Vehicle Assistance and missing person requests That's the way it supposedly is. Not all of me is paranoid, but some of me is. And that part of me doubts the reliability of this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #91 March 10, 2011 >Since you want to reduce crime.... You support GPS tracking for every car then right? Nope. Might work in theory, but real world considerations make it impractical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #92 March 11, 2011 Quote>Since you want to reduce crime.... You support GPS tracking for every car then right? Nope. Might work in theory, but real world considerations make it impractical. Why not just implant one in the brainstem area at birth?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #93 March 11, 2011 >Why not just implant one in the brainstem area at birth? Why not just tattoo a serial number on your face? Would make identifying you easier. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #94 March 11, 2011 Quote>Why not just implant one in the brainstem area at birth? Why not just tattoo a serial number on your face? Would make identifying you easier. But you couldn't track everyone as you would want.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #95 March 11, 2011 >But you couldn't track everyone as you would want. Why would I want to track everyone? You were the one who suggested the GPS implant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #96 March 11, 2011 Quote>But you couldn't track everyone as you would want. Why would I want to track everyone? You were the one who suggested the GPS implant. It makes as much sense as one in every gun.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #97 March 11, 2011 >It makes as much sense as one in every gun. Whatever you say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #98 March 11, 2011 Quote>It makes as much sense as one in every gun. Whatever you say. which makes more sense than anything you have said lately"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #99 March 11, 2011 QuoteQuote>It makes as much sense as one in every gun. Whatever you say. which makes more sense than anything you have said lately except the part at the very beginning of the thread where he said the idea is impractical.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #100 March 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote>It makes as much sense as one in every gun. Whatever you say. which makes more sense than anything you have said lately except the part at the very beginning of the thread where he said the idea is impractical. so you like the idea?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
