billvon 3,109 #26 March 7, 2011 >Sweet - so you're going to go round up the 27 gun owners in the building >that the murder was committed beside? If you were investigating a murder, would you rather have 27 leads or none? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 March 7, 2011 Quote>So you would only track guns that are moving I'd only track guns that have been fired, say within the last 12 hours. Only tracking guns that are moving is another potential option. Well, if you're going to go with make-believe technology, why not go whole hog.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #28 March 7, 2011 Quote>Sweet - so you're going to go round up the 27 gun owners in the building >that the murder was committed beside? If you were investigating a murder, would you rather have 27 leads or none? I'd rather have one good lead, not 27 false onesMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #29 March 7, 2011 QuoteQuote>So you would only track guns that are moving I'd only track guns that have been fired, say within the last 12 hours. Only tracking guns that are moving is another potential option. Well, if you're going to go with make-believe technology, why not go whole hog. If you want to put GPS on pork based farm animals, start a new thread. This is about hunters being able to find their way out of the woods. I'm pretty sure that's it, anyway. Some kind of neat firearms marketing gimmick. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #30 March 7, 2011 mmmmmmm - bacon, ham, and pork chops ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #31 March 7, 2011 What we really need if a law like this ever passes, is the production rights to very cheap and disposable guns. One would make a ton of ca$h. And, even if I don't want a gun, but can't afford a GPS - I wonder if the government would pay for the GPS under the new gun tracking rule. That way, if I want a cheap (FREE!!) GPS, I could take an old gun in. And I could take it into any building I wanted to - if they point to the sign "NO Guns Permitted in this Building" - I could just claim I don't want to get lost. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #32 March 7, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote>So you would only track guns that are moving I'd only track guns that have been fired, say within the last 12 hours. Only tracking guns that are moving is another potential option. Well, if you're going to go with make-believe technology, why not go whole hog. If you want to put GPS on pork based farm animals, start a new thread. This is about hunters being able to find their way out of the woods. I'm pretty sure that's it, anyway. Some kind of neat firearms marketing gimmick. Must be a BA-K 47.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,109 #33 March 7, 2011 >I'd rather have one good lead, not 27 false ones OK. Now, since you refuse to answer the question, I'll answer for you - investigators prefer having 27 leads than zero. That leads to capturing murderers, which is, to most people, a good thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,109 #34 March 7, 2011 >Well, if you're going to go with make-believe technology, why not go whole hog. How does tracking guns that have not been fired help? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #35 March 7, 2011 So we will no longer be allowed to keep guns in locked safes? A locked safe is, after all, a Faraday cage."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #36 March 7, 2011 A good rule to evaluate any proposed gun control: will it apply to law enforcement? If not, we don't want it.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,109 #37 March 7, 2011 >So we will no longer be allowed to keep guns in locked safes? Why would you want to track a gun in a locked gun safe? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #38 March 7, 2011 Quote>I'd rather have one good lead, not 27 false ones OK. Now, since you refuse to answer the question, I'll answer for you - investigators prefer having 27 leads than zero. I did answer the question, based on the reality of talking with police instead of watching CSI. QuoteThat leads to capturing murderers, which is, to most people, a good thing Yes, it is. It also works better and faster with solid leads, not false ones.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #39 March 7, 2011 Quote >So we will no longer be allowed to keep guns in locked safes? Why would you want to track a gun in a locked gun safe? So you have no problem with a gun's GPS unit being unreachable? Thanks! That make it much easier to move it.Are you playing Devil's Advocate?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #40 March 7, 2011 Quote They would certainly try to disable it if they were aware of its presence. The whole world would know about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #41 March 7, 2011 Quote>So GPS tracking of a weapon that was used in a crime is an idea that >has no real use. So looking at a murder scene, and knowing that the gun that was used is now a mile north of your present location, would be of no real use? How would you know which weapon was used?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #42 March 7, 2011 Quote Quote >So we will no longer be allowed to keep guns in locked safes? Why would you want to track a gun in a locked gun safe? So you have no problem with a gun's GPS unit being unreachable? Thanks! That make it much easier to move it.Are you playing Devil's Advocate? all you need is a jammer and voila - technology nullified.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #43 March 7, 2011 QuoteQuoteI would guess that would mean tracking all guns at all times Then you just check the time of the crime against which weapons were there at the time actually, that's a really good idea I think this idea then follows the trend I think anytime anyone is going to express and opinion publicly he/she must have a recording device running to record the event ALL publicly stated opinions must be recorded by a person certified by the state"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #44 March 7, 2011 Quote>Sweet - so you're going to go round up the 27 gun owners in the building >that the murder was committed beside? If you were investigating a murder, would you rather have 27 leads or none? so you're going to ask the judge to issue a warrant because they were in the vicinity with their legally purchased, legally carried, unmodified chipped, tracked firearm??-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #45 March 7, 2011 QuoteQuote>Sweet - so you're going to go round up the 27 gun owners in the building >that the murder was committed beside? If you were investigating a murder, would you rather have 27 leads or none? so you're going to ask the judge to issue a warrant because they were in the vicinity with their legally purchased, legally carried, unmodified chipped, tracked firearm?? There can't be ANY room for mistakes, or possibilities for abuse of power in that scenario can there?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,109 #46 March 8, 2011 >So you have no problem with a gun's GPS unit being unreachable? Not when it's in a gun safe, no. The idea is to detect guns used in crimes, not guns that are being stored in safes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,109 #47 March 8, 2011 >How would you know which weapon was used? Let's imagine what such a report might look like: 12/22/01 18:35 Weapon discharge - reporting enabled for ident 755456 12/22/01 18:35 Ident 755456 Location 34.0526,-118.2462 12/22/01 18:35 Ident 755456 Weapon discharge 12/22/01 18:35 Ident 755456 Weapon discharge 12/22/01 18:36 Ident 755456 Weapon discharge 12/22/01 18:37 Ident 755456 Location 34.0526,-118.2462 12/22/01 18:38 Ident 755456 Location 34.0586,-118.2446 12/22/01 18:39 Ident 755456 Location 34.0691,-118.2597 12/22/01 18:40 Ident 755456 Location 34.0742,-118.2588 12/22/01 18:41 Ident 755456 Location 34.0742,-118.2588 12/22/01 18:42 Ident 755456 Location 34.0742,-118.2588 12/22/01 18:43 Ident 755456 Location 34.0742,-118.2588 Looking at that report, one might conclude that the weapon with identifier 755456, discharged at 6:35pm at location 34.0526,-118.2462, is now at 34.0742,-118.2588. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,109 #48 March 8, 2011 >so you're going to ask the judge to issue a warrant because they were in >the vicinity with their legally purchased, legally carried, unmodified chipped, >tracked firearm?? If they fired it in the same location, at the same time that the murder occurred - yes. Which is pretty reasonable. If you walked into a police station and said "so I was at the location of the murder, and I fired my gun near the victim at the same time his death occurred - but it wasn't me" they might ask you a few questions about it, no? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #49 March 8, 2011 Quote>How would you know which weapon was used? Let's imagine what such a report might look like: 12/22/01 18:35 Weapon discharge - reporting enabled for ident 755456 12/22/01 18:35 Ident 755456 Location 34.0526,-118.2462 12/22/01 18:35 Ident 755456 Weapon discharge 12/22/01 18:35 Ident 755456 Weapon discharge 12/22/01 18:36 Ident 755456 Weapon discharge 12/22/01 18:37 Ident 755456 Location 34.0526,-118.2462 12/22/01 18:38 Ident 755456 Location 34.0586,-118.2446 12/22/01 18:39 Ident 755456 Location 34.0691,-118.2597 12/22/01 18:40 Ident 755456 Location 34.0742,-118.2588 12/22/01 18:41 Ident 755456 Location 34.0742,-118.2588 12/22/01 18:42 Ident 755456 Location 34.0742,-118.2588 12/22/01 18:43 Ident 755456 Location 34.0742,-118.2588 Looking at that report, one might conclude that the weapon with identifier 755456, discharged at 6:35pm at location 34.0526,-118.2462, is now at 34.0742,-118.2588. So you want big brother to track every discharge of a weapon? Wht don't you just GPS every round instead? We could micro encode every bullet and shell and have the government really looking down our freedom at us.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,109 #50 March 8, 2011 >Wht don't you just GPS every round instead? What good would that do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
