skydiver30960 0 #1 March 5, 2011 I'm moving from Virginia to Arizona next week. I have two rifles and one pistol to transport, and while the moving companies seem to be OK with transporting unloaded guns, they're not a fan of moving ammunition and I thought I might just take guns and all with me in my car rather than worry my wife and the movers with them. Will I be OK transporting unloaded guns across state lines, with unloaded firearms in the trunk and ammunition in the passenger compartment with me? Would it help to disassemble the firearms? Anybody know of any resources I could check online to determine if there are particular state laws I need to be aware of? I'm travelling through VA, TN, AK, TX, NM, and AZ. Just to stress, this is NOT about carrying concealed. I just want to get the firearms and ammunition from point A (Virginia) to point B (Arizona) without ending up in point C (the pokey). I know, I know, join the NRA... Elvisio "thanks in advance" Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #2 March 5, 2011 Quote I'm travelling through VA, TN, AK, TX, NM, and AZ. You know it would be a lot shorter if you went through AR instead of AK.http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=59"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #3 March 5, 2011 I used to suggest folks transport themselves following federal law (unloaded, locked container, not accessible, etc) but ever since this incident I just tell folks to be careful and make their own decision. If you've got spare time and cash, you can consider having an FFL in your area ship it to an FFL in your destination area. That way they get there without you having to transport them, and without having to trusty them to Joe Teamster and his truck.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #4 March 5, 2011 Quote Quote I'm travelling through VA, TN, AK, TX, NM, and AZ. You know it would be a lot shorter if you went through AR instead of AK.http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=59 The NRA-ILA suggestions are pretty good, but you still want to double-check the state laws for each one you will traverse just to be safe.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #5 March 5, 2011 Overall you're on the right track. Some things to consider is that you won't be going through states with super restrictive laws like NJ. You're going to be traveling through states who mostly have right to carry laws. Although you're not actually carrying loaded weapons, it shows a certain respect towards your rights. How much ammo are you talking about? 1000rds, 100,000rds? The reason why I ask is for a lot of cops working traffic, out of sight is out of mind. It comes down to you. For a cop working interdiction, more questions will be asked, but it still comes down to you. Are you a nervous wreck, beyond what is normal for a typical traffic stop? Is there some other mitigating circumstance besides a traffic stop that is going to give the cop PC to get in your car? The overall question is "why would an officer get into your car and find your legally owned and transported firearms?"--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver30960 0 #6 March 5, 2011 Cool. I have maybe 100 rounds of .45 ACP and a few hundred rounds of 7.62 x 39. The rifles are an OLD Enfield that is really more of a curio piece than anything I'd cycle a lot of ammo through and an SKS. The pistol is a single stack Ruger P90, no modifications. EDIT: I just spent a moment reading the link from Ryoder. I guess it sounds like (given that one firearm is an SKS) I'll take the ammunition with me (the movers have ammo on their "we won't move it" list) and EITHER let them move the handguns OR have my wife take the firearms to an FFL once I get out there. Elvisio "ready to get the show on the road" Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #7 March 5, 2011 Remember to have at least one scary looking gun near by, so when you're pulled over you can hold it up and show the cop as he walks up to your car. Most cops are gun guys/gals and will appreciate it. They have egos, though, so they'll also get their gun out to show how much better their gun is... (for our foreign readers, the above is a joke and will probably get you shot...well, shot *at*, we are talking about police after all...)--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #8 March 5, 2011 Quote (for our foreign readers, the above is a joke and will probably get you shot...well, shot *at*, we are talking about police after all...) LMAO - because most of them couldn't hit a swoop pond if they had just chowed into it.. . . with their side arm I mean.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #9 March 5, 2011 QuoteCool. I have maybe 100 rounds of .45 ACP and a few hundred rounds of 7.62 x 39. The rifles are an OLD Enfield that is really more of a curio piece than anything I'd cycle a lot of ammo through and an SKS. The pistol is a single stack Ruger P90, no modifications. EDIT: I just spent a moment reading the link from Ryoder. I guess it sounds like (given that one firearm is an SKS) I'll take the ammunition with me (the movers have ammo on their "we won't move it" list) and EITHER let them move the handguns OR have my wife take the firearms to an FFL once I get out there. Elvisio "ready to get the show on the road" Rodriguez uh.. Let the mov ers move the handguns... NO FREAKING WAY... Get a couple good black pelican cases and a TSA locks and just bury them in the trunk. Put the ammo in another case and bury it as well. As Dave said you are not going thru the nutbag states that froth at the mouth about weapons. Check the lists of regulations.. you will be fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #10 March 5, 2011 Quote uh.. Let the mov ers move the handguns... NO FREAKING WAY... Agreed. That is the last way I would move them. All my interstate moves were done with myself driving the moving vehicle, and everything I owned in it."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #11 March 5, 2011 Two easy steps. 1: Spend a couple hours at the range and burn up that ammo. No ammo to transport = no problem there. 2: Ship firearms from one FFL to another if you are worried. Personally I would put the unloaded guns in locked cases in the trunk of the car.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david3 0 #12 March 5, 2011 Just a thought, disassemble them. Don’t have a complete gun in one vehicle. ? ? ? ? . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #13 March 5, 2011 Quote Quote (for our foreign readers, the above is a joke and will probably get you shot...well, shot *at*, we are talking about police after all...) LMAO - because most of them couldn't hit a swoop pond if they had just chowed into it.. . . with their side arm I mean. I was going to say, I'm pretty sure a cop has chowed into a swoop pond before... --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #14 March 5, 2011 Quote I was going to say, I'm pretty sure a cop has chowed into a swoop pond before... So, what was the judge's score for the gymnastics portion of the routine? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #15 March 5, 2011 Quote Quote I was going to say, I'm pretty sure a cop has chowed into a swoop pond before... So, what was the judge's score for the gymnastics portion of the routine? Ever get rotated into the pond from collapsing your canopy on a gate so hard that it breaks two neptunes and bends your pop-top? It's like the pond hit me with a taser!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 March 5, 2011 Quote Quote Quote I was going to say, I'm pretty sure a cop has chowed into a swoop pond before... So, what was the judge's score for the gymnastics portion of the routine? Ever get rotated into the pond from collapsing your canopy on a gate so hard that it breaks two neptunes and bends your pop-top? It's like the pond hit me with a taser! Sounds like a 5.0 score, then!! Bet that made for some impressive bruisesMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #17 March 5, 2011 Dude, I was sore for nearly 2 weeks after that! Flyangel2 watched me do it then started yelling at me for chowing in so hard and scaring her! Ah, Colorado, what a great place to swoop. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver30960 0 #18 March 5, 2011 Okay then, they roll with me. Elvisio "it's all good, I guess" Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertimeunc 0 #19 March 5, 2011 (for our foreign readers, the above is a joke and will probably get you shot...well, shot *at*, we are talking about police after all...) True story, I was shooting to qualify on the M9 before my last deployment, and the guy next to me was having trouble even hitting the target at 7 (yes, SEVEN) yards. He asked me how I was keeping my groups tight and what my job was, and I explained that my dad taught me how to shoot at an early age, and I was a pilot, I asked him what his job was, and he casually replied "security forces." Oh crap.....The best things in life are dangerous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #20 March 5, 2011 QuoteOkay then, they roll with me. Elvisio "it's all good, I guess" Rodriguez Here's something from the Federal side (18 USC 926A): QuoteNotwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Given this, if you have the guns and ammo in separate locked cases in the trunk, it seems you'll be ok from a Federal standpoint. That said, I'd still doublecheck the individual state laws to make sure you don't get popped for anything, but I doubt you'll get in any trouble if you're in the passenger compartment and the guns/ammo are locked in the trunk. Disclaimer: The above is a personal opinion, and how I would handle the situation. I am not a lawyer nor a police officer.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #21 March 6, 2011 Quote Quote Quote I was going to say, I'm pretty sure a cop has chowed into a swoop pond before... So, what was the judge's score for the gymnastics portion of the routine? Ever get rotated into the pond from collapsing your canopy on a gate so hard that it breaks two neptunes and bends your pop-top? It's like the pond hit me with a taser! "Don't Tase me Bro!"---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #22 March 6, 2011 Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 3 #23 March 6, 2011 What would the FFLs charge, $100? If some idiot crashes into your car along the way? You could find yourself jammed up. There's lots of idiots between Virginia & Arizona... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #24 March 6, 2011 I used to think so as well, until this incident. Then I realized that no matter what the law says, it only takes three assholes to send you to prison: one asshole to charge you, one asshole to prosecute you, and one asshole to find you guilty and send you to their chosen "pound me in the ass" facility. One can only hope that Mr. Aitken is pursuing proper legal channels to have his conviction overturned, have his commutation improved to a full pardon and expungement, or at the very least have his rights restored. Otherwise he still has a felony conviction on his record and no vindication.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutem 0 #25 March 6, 2011 When you get to the AZ border feel free to load and holster the pistol. You may then carry it open or concealed or under the seat if you like. If you are moving to the Phoenix area stop on out to Canyon Lake and ask for James at the marina. James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
