turtlespeed 226 #1 February 28, 2011 . . . the time people would wait before accepting a job. Way to go Obama Administration! The 9% unemployment is your own doing. You decided to pay these people longer than they actually needed,and afford them an opportunity to not have to work, and still pull in a check. Great decision!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #2 February 28, 2011 Here is the amusing thing - Federal tax dollars are supporting the extensions. I paid federal taxes. Because I was self employed, I do not qualify for the benefits that I paid for. Nice huh?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #3 February 28, 2011 Quote. . . the time people would wait before accepting a job. Way to go Obama Administration! The 9% unemployment is your own doing. You decided to pay these people longer than they actually needed,and afford them an opportunity to not have to work, and still pull in a check. Great decision! >9% unemployment... Gallup had the number at 10%, just saying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #4 February 28, 2011 Quote. . . the time people would wait before accepting a job. Way to go Obama Administration! The 9% unemployment is your own doing. You decided to pay these people longer than they actually needed,and afford them an opportunity to not have to work, and still pull in a check. Great decision! While I do fault those that are abusing the system, the unfixed flaws in the system are allowing it to happen. Sure they don't make as much as they did, but also don't have the expenses associated with a job either. Plus if they get a job where they are paid under the table, they still collect AND don't pay taxes on their money. Rather than unemployment, call it "transition." Make it a fixed amount for a fixed time one gets regardless of whether they get another job right away or not.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #5 February 28, 2011 Quote Here is the amusing thing - Federal tax dollars are supporting the extensions. I paid federal taxes. Because I was self employed, I do not qualify for the benefits that I paid for. Nice huh? Unfortunate but sorta necessary to prevent someone from claiming self employment long enough to get or "reset" unemployment then just saying they were laid off. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #6 February 28, 2011 Quote Quote Here is the amusing thing - Federal tax dollars are supporting the extensions. I paid federal taxes. Because I was self employed, I do not qualify for the benefits that I paid for. Nice huh? Unfortunate but sorta necessary to prevent someone from claiming self employment long enough to get or "reset" unemployment then just saying they were laid off. Ah - but if you pay into the system, you are supposed to be able to utilize the system, right?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #7 February 28, 2011 >Ah - but if you pay into the system, you are supposed to be able to >utilize the system, right? ?? No. I pay for veteran's benefits but will be unable to utilize them. Many childless people went to private schools, and now must pay for school systems they cannot utilize. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #8 February 28, 2011 Quote Federal tax dollars are supporting the extensions. no different than any of the other stimupork spending. I didn't get 600$ back either. I did pay for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #9 February 28, 2011 Quote>Ah - but if you pay into the system, you are supposed to be able to >utilize the system, right? ?? No. I pay for veteran's benefits but will be unable to utilize them. Many childless people went to private schools, and now must pay for school systems they cannot utilize. The point is that they could have. Had they gone in and enrolled to the public school, it was available to them.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #10 February 28, 2011 Quote Here is the amusing thing - Federal tax dollars are supporting the extensions. I paid federal taxes. Because I was self employed, I do not qualify for the benefits that I paid for. Nice huh? I hear that, several years ago the major reason I shut down and got back into the job market was that it seemed everything government wise is stacked against small business and still doesn't go away long after your closed. The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #11 February 28, 2011 QuoteHere is the amusing thing - Federal tax dollars are supporting the extensions. I paid federal taxes. Because I was self employed, I do not qualify for the benefits that I paid for. Nice huh? Same over here too ... I've worked and paid tax for 30 years .. But did that matter to them? - Nope.. So I had to pick up minimum wage work - just to stop going mad. Yet there are those fat lazy fucks that end up on the receiving end of MY earlier Taxes - pisses me off - now end (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #12 February 28, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Here is the amusing thing - Federal tax dollars are supporting the extensions. I paid federal taxes. Because I was self employed, I do not qualify for the benefits that I paid for. Nice huh? Unfortunate but sorta necessary to prevent someone from claiming self employment long enough to get or "reset" unemployment then just saying they were laid off. Ah - but if you pay into the system, you are supposed to be able to utilize the system, right? Sometimes you still can, depending on how you set it up. It varies from state to state, but in many states, if you incorporate yourself, or set yourself up as an LLC or LLP, etc., then pay yourself as a W-2 employee of the business, deducting all the necessary withholding taxes, Soc Sec, etc. and remitting the deductions to the respective taxing authorities (including unemployment comp withholding in states where that is done), if the corporation lays you off, you might be able to get unemployment comp. That's over-simplified, and it's not an absolute, but it is sometimes doable. They key being not that you're simply paying income tax on your personal income, but that (a) your employer is paying into the unemployment comp fund and (b) in states where employees also pay (via withholdings or quarterly tax payments) into an unemployment comp fund. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #13 February 28, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Here is the amusing thing - Federal tax dollars are supporting the extensions. I paid federal taxes. Because I was self employed, I do not qualify for the benefits that I paid for. Nice huh? Unfortunate but sorta necessary to prevent someone from claiming self employment long enough to get or "reset" unemployment then just saying they were laid off. Ah - but if you pay into the system, you are supposed to be able to utilize the system, right? Sometimes you still can, depending on how you set it up. It varies from state to state, but in many states, if you incorporate yourself, then pay yourself as a W-2 employee of the corporation, deducting all the necessary withholding taxes, Soc Sec, etc. and remitting the deductions to the respective taxing authorities (including unemployment comp withholding in states where that is done), if the corporation lays you off, you might be able to get unemployment comp. That's over-simplified, and it's not an absolute, but it is sometimes doable. Well then - I'll just hop into Kallends time machine and go back and re-do the paperwork.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #14 February 28, 2011 QuoteWell then - I'll just hop into Kallends time machine and go back and re-do the paperwork. Look at the 2nd para of my post, which I added as you were posting this. In any event, any self-employed person has a few options on how to legally structure his self-employed status - sole proprietor, standard corporation, partnership, S Corp, LLP, LLC, etc. Choosing the best option at the outset is obviously important. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #15 February 28, 2011 I thought the US was the land of opportunities and if you fail you obviously didn't work hard enough. Thought unemployment is only for losers and should be just be abolished so all these lazy fuckers get off their ass and start doing something? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #16 February 28, 2011 QuoteQuoteWell then - I'll just hop into Kallends time machine and go back and re-do the paperwork. Look at the 2nd para of my post, which I added as you were posting this. In any event, any self-employed person has a few options on how to legally structure his self-employed status - sole proprietor, standard corporation, partnership, S Corp, LLP, LLC, etc. Choosing the best option at the outset is obviously important. AH in that case I would have needed the Time machine again to predict that illegal aliens, bailouts, and dishonest clients would undo the work that I had put in for the past years of owning my company.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #17 February 28, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteWell then - I'll just hop into Kallends time machine and go back and re-do the paperwork. Look at the 2nd para of my post, which I added as you were posting this. In any event, any self-employed person has a few options on how to legally structure his self-employed status - sole proprietor, standard corporation, partnership, S Corp, LLP, LLC, etc. Choosing the best option at the outset is obviously important. AH in that case I would have needed the Time machine again to predict that illegal aliens, bailouts, and dishonest clients would undo the work that I had put in for the past years of owning my company. Sensible business structuring requires no magical crystal ball. The logical corollary to the importance of choosing a prudent business form at the outset is that failure to exercise such diligence sometimes has consequences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #18 February 28, 2011 Quote I was eating lunch today with my 10 year old grandson when his mom asked him "What is tomorrow?" He said "It's President's Day" She asked "What does that mean?" .... I was waiting for something profound... He said "President's Day is when Obama steps out of the White House and if he sees his shadow, we have 2 more years of unemployment." I almost snorted my iced tea.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #19 February 28, 2011 QuoteI thought the US was the land of opportunities and if you fail you obviously didn't work hard enough. Thought unemployment is only for losers and should be just be abolished so all these lazy fuckers get off their ass and start doing something? I don't believe I said it should be abolished. There are a few out there that genuinely are in need of the system; those that need the system, are the ones that cannot even get a minimum wage job, or the like, but still try and actually put effort into the job search. Most, I believe, abuse it. I - DO - whole heartedly believe that it should be a lot more limited than it is now. The rest of what you say is true. I made mistakes, I'm having to deal with the ramifications of those mistakes. I would equate them to you walking down the wrong street knowing that you may get mugged, and then getting mugged. The difference being that I know it was my choice to deal with these particular clients. Now I have to take resposibility for my choices. I will never live off the people. The OP was from an experiment I performed to see how the system works.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #20 February 28, 2011 >The point is that they could have. Had they gone in and enrolled to the >public school, it was available to them. Ah, got you. In that case you could have gotten unemployment as well. Had you gotten a regular job, it would have been available to you. You chose to not get a regular job and thus chose to not have that coverage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #21 February 28, 2011 Quote>The point is that they could have. Had they gone in and enrolled to the >public school, it was available to them. Ah, got you. In that case you could have gotten unemployment as well. Had you gotten a regular job, it would have been available to you. You chose to not get a regular job and thus chose to not have that coverage. You miss the point - I DID enroll in unemployment, by paying taxes and unemployment insurance. It is still not available to me.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #22 March 1, 2011 Quote>The point is that they could have. Had they gone in and enrolled to the >public school, it was available to them. Ah, got you. In that case you could have gotten unemployment as well. Had you gotten a regular job, it would have been available to you. You chose to not get a regular job and thus chose to not have that coverage. so what your'e saying here bill, is that the government is ant-small business?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #23 March 1, 2011 Really? I don't get it. I thought unemployment was available to anyone who paid in. Did you pay in for yourself, or just your employees? This surprises me. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #24 March 1, 2011 Turtle, are you not entitled because you "voluntarily quit" your business or other reasons? That "voluntarily quit" nonsense is the reason I got for not being entitled.The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #25 March 1, 2011 >so what your'e saying here bill, is that the government is ant-small business? Nope! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
