Cowardice is Contagious

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Exodus: Dems Trigger Statehouse Shutdown
Not a repeat from last week in Wisconsin.

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Exodus: Dems Trigger Statehouse Shutdown
Not a repeat from last week in Wisconsin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN5PoW7_kdA&NR=1

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Maybe they're heading to Illinois to join their Wisconsin brethren.

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"Cowardice".




*whoosh*

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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"Cowardice".




*whoosh*

you are rigtht
They are assholes

The voters are not to be heard

The unions should rule


that will fix everything

Oh

FDR had an opionon of public sector unions

Do you happen to know what that opinion is?

What he predicted is coming to pass

Time to fix it

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Exodus: Dems Trigger Statehouse Shutdown

The funny thing is, the republicans who remained passed a bill which says that if you're not present, you don't get paid. And of course, the Democrats were all absent, and unable to vote against it. So if they're going to run and hide to shirk their responsibility, then they ain't gettin' paid for it.

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The funny thing is, the republicans who remained passed a bill which says that if you're not present, you don't get paid. And of course, the Democrats were all absent, and unable to vote against it. So if they're going to run and hide to shirk their responsibility, then they ain't gettin' paid for it.

Reminds me of what happened up here in Canuckistan a few years ago. The "Natural Governing Liberals" (who now sit in opposition thanks to being caught one too many times stealing money from the tax payers) stood up in the House of Commons proclaiming to anyone who would listen to them that the Conservative Government was the worst government in the history of humanity and how the Liberals would not stand for how the Conservatives were destroying Canada. But when push came to shove, when the Liberals had a chance to defeat the government and cause an election where were the Liberals? Well enough of them called in sick that day to allow the government to pass the bill on to the next step of it becoming law. So there they were, Liberals still yelling and screaming how the Conservatives were destroying the nation, but they were not voting the government down (even though they had the numbers to do it). The only difference is this law you speak of "not being paid if you are not at work" does not exist here.

Why is it that politicians are paid for work they do not do. I would get fired if I didn't bother to show up for work. I guess after years of "I am entitled to my entitlements" mentality, politicians will still yell and scream telling the world anything. But when push comes to shove and the politician runs for cover when the gravy train called their career is on the line. Do as I say, not as I do.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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You get that your job and your FOP lodge is next right?

Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off.
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(A) I'm not in law enforcement right now, and not sure I want to go back. I work in the court system now, dealing with officers witnesses and offender more often than judges or lawyers.

(B) When I was law enforcement, I worked a state that forbade public safety unions. Yep, laws against police fire ems and others organizing.

(C) I never joined the FOP.

(D) The department I worked for didn't treat officers very well, so they were chronically short of officers. They're not going to reduce the number of officers. If anything, they need to increase their staffing at lower levels and remove useless positions in other city departments.

You want to try again with the facts this time?

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(A) I'm not in law enforcement right now, and not sure I want to go back. I work in the court system now, dealing with officers witnesses and offender more often than judges or lawyers.

(B) When I was law enforcement, I worked a state that forbade public safety unions. Yep, laws against police fire ems and others organizing.

(C) I never joined the FOP.

(D) The department I worked for didn't treat officers very well, so they were chronically short of officers. They're not going to reduce the number of officers. If anything, they need to increase their staffing at lower levels and remove useless positions in other city departments.

You want to try again with the facts this time?

Sounds they need to bargain collectively to better the working conditions and make hiring more officers who look at them favorably.

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I'm not sure but you may have missed the point.
It's pretty ballsy to skip out like that, not cowardice.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Did you miss the part where it's illegal for them to do that, or do you suggest law enforcement officers should break the law when it suits them. They're cops, not politicians.

And it wouldn't help much, since those same complaints and worse occur at other cities with unions. Meanwhile, CharMeck has no such issues since the politicians let the chief run the PD and the chief gives a shit about his officers, so all sides work together. A rare state of things I'm sure you'll agree.

The city council at my former place of employment is busy squandering funds on useless projects and gives worthless schmucks unnecessary jobs. But hey, the same party has run the place for thirty years, so I'm sure they'll sort it out soon.

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Did you miss the part where it's illegal for them to do that, or do you suggest law enforcement officers should break the law when it suits them. They're cops, not politicians.

Yeah.. be afraid... be very afraid... watched the news lately.. the US vs ALL OF THEM mentality has lead to a shoot first... and make sure you have your thin blue line ready at the inquest so they get away with murder after murder.
How many threads have we had about Cops Gone Wild.

And it wouldn't help much, since those same complaints and worse occur at other cities with unions. Meanwhile, CharMeck has no such issues since the politicians let the chief run the PD and the chief gives a shit about his officers, so all sides work together. A rare state of things I'm sure you'll agree.

The city council at my former place of employment is busy squandering funds on useless projects and gives worthless schmucks unnecessary jobs. But hey, the same party has run the place for thirty years, so I'm sure they'll sort it out soon.

Ah of course.THAT HAS to be it... Strange to find a Democratic City Council still in existence in Good Ole Boy Land.

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Ah no
No point missed

Childish
and many other terms come to mind

But ballsy is not one of them

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Cowardice is Contagious

Why yes.. yes it is.... Look at the numbers of the Bush Administration who RAN... yes RAN away from serving their country in Vietnam War....

Nearly ALL of the PNAC.... COWARDS.

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Jeanne, just go ahead and admit that you don't know shit about the southeast. Most mayors and city councils for medium and large cities are democrats. The governorship and control of the state congress has been held by democrats for more than thirty years. And yet, its a state law forbidding unions. Folks gave the republicans control over the state senate for the first time in decades.

Atlanta? D
New Oreleans? D
Columbia? D
Raleigh? D
Richmond? D
And so on.

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Cowardice is Contagious

Why yes.. yes it is.... Look at the numbers of the Bush Administration who RAN... yes RAN away from serving their country in Vietnam War....

Nearly ALL of the PNAC.... COWARDS.

Congratulations. You've proven yet again that you can't get past the false dichotomy of R vs D, that you're stuck on hating one side for doing exactly what the other side does. How many in Clinton's cabinet served? In Obama's? No, I'm not saying one side did it first or tht either side it right for doing it. But at least I can recognize that neither R nor D is very different from each other, or very good for the country.

So back to the topic of the thread, do you think it's ok for politicians to flee the state to avoid letting legislation go forward? Would you support senators and congresscritters fleeing the country to avoid letting the federal government function?

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Cowardice is Contagious

Why yes.. yes it is.... Look at the numbers of the Bush Administration who RAN... yes RAN away from serving their country in Vietnam War....

Nearly ALL of the PNAC.... COWARDS.

Congratulations. You've proven yet again that you can't get past the false dichotomy of R vs D, that you're stuck on hating one side for doing exactly what the other side does. How many in Clinton's cabinet served? In Obama's? No, I'm not saying one side did it first or tht either side it right for doing it. But at least I can recognize that neither R nor D is very different from each other, or very good for the country.

So back to the topic of the thread, do you think it's ok for politicians to flee the state to avoid letting legislation go forward? Would you support senators and congresscritters fleeing the country to avoid letting the federal government function?

If someone is a Hawk.. and has served.. and wishes to go to war from a point of KNOWING the personal carnage to their fellows is the cost of War from a point of having experienced those losses. They know the cost of war

A CHICKENHAWK is one who WOULD NEVER serve.. but DIGs war so much that they are willing to send off their countrymen with no thought of the carnage on their fellow countrymen or women or their families.
To them.. they are above those pawns that are to be used to further their desires for position of wealth. They will never know the true cost of war... but should be subjected to it PERSONALLY

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I'm not sure but you may have missed the point.
It's pretty ballsy to skip out like that, not cowardice.

That is why they give medals fro running away instead of standing up and doing your job in battle right?

This is not France.

Running away is the EASIEST thing they could do. Not bravery, cowardice. They took the easy way out. Sounds like a recurring theme.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Exodus: Dems Trigger Statehouse Shutdown

The funny thing is, the republicans who remained passed a bill which says that if you're not present, you don't get paid. And of course, the Democrats were all absent, and unable to vote against it. So if they're going to run and hide to shirk their responsibility, then they ain't gettin' paid for it.

It's only effective if they shut off their expense accounts too. Thats how Nancy Pelosi, even though she only makes $175,000 a year, was able to run up a several million dollar a year tab for the tax payer to cover.

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Ah no
No point missed

Childish
and many other terms come to mind

But ballsy is not one of them

OK. Different POV.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Thanks for the extreme, Turtle.
One has nothing to do with the other.

Obviously, and I have no clue as to why you would even have to go there, staying and fighting is ballsy, too.
You assume that there is only one way to be "ballsy"?

By your way of thinking, it could be cowardice to stay because you're afraid of the consequences of getting out of there.


In rebuttal:
Let's use another extreme not related to the OP:
You commander says retreat. You stay and fight...ballsy, yes? No, it's stupid.
Ballsy would be leaving your cover and getting the fuck out of there.

By your way of thinking, it could be cowardice to stay because you're afraid of the consequences of getting out of there...like getting your ass shot by the forces over-running your position (which is why the commander said retreat). That's not cowardice...that's stupid unless you're into self-preservation at all costs. I hope nobody ever has one of those guys in a foxhole with them.

Nice try, though.
Sometimes you're even successful, eh?



BTW, I mentioned 'ballsy" in the first place simply saying the Dems, having no other options in their minds, opted to take the action they did knowing full well the consequences...that's why the left the state.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Thanks for the extreme, Turtle.
One has nothing to do with the other.

Obviously, and I have no clue as to why you would even have to go there, staying and fighting is ballsy, too.
You assume that there is only one way to be "ballsy"?

By your way of thinking, it could be cowardice to stay because you're afraid of the consequences of getting out of there.


In rebuttal:
Let's use another extreme not related to the OP:
You commander says retreat. You stay and fight...ballsy, yes? No, it's stupid.
Ballsy would be leaving your cover and getting the fuck out of there.

By your way of thinking, it could be cowardice to stay because you're afraid of the consequences of getting out of there...like getting your ass shot by the forces over-running your position (which is why the commander said retreat). That's not cowardice...that's stupid unless you're into self-preservation at all costs. I hope nobody ever has one of those guys in a foxhole with them.

Nice try, though.
Sometimes you're even successful, eh?



BTW, I mentioned 'ballsy" in the first place simply saying the Dems, having no other options in their minds, opted to take the action they did knowing full well the consequences...that's why the left the state.

I guess we just have different views on what a coward is.

If they were ballsy, they wouldn't have left the state. They were cowards and ran away like little girls from a scary noise.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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This is not France.

If it wasn't for the French, the US would have been a british colony for a much, much longer time. Maybe still would be.

Turns out those freedom fries really are french fries.....

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This is not France.

If it wasn't for the French, the US would have been a british colony for a much, much longer time. Maybe still would be.

Turns out those freedom fries really are french fries.....

At least the French have the good grace to run away and surrender. The state politicize ran away and hid. The fact is they are the minority party in that state. Filibusters and opposition tactics are to be expected. But fleeing is not. I agree with turtle that their pay should be docked and their spending accounts suspended until they return. People bitch about republicans being the party of no, but lately state democrats are the party of "no, nah nah nah" and running away.

As for the freedom fires comment, yes the French aided the American Revolution to further their own ends. But the France of today is very different than the France that sent naval aid, De Grasse, and Rochambeau.

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