GeorgiaDon 379 #26 February 24, 2011 Quote...hostages that they torture and terrorize to get more money out of. Do you have a link that supports this? My understanding was that until the latest incident hostages were treated as well as could be expected, aside from being held as hostages of course. I had not heard of hostages being tortured. QuoteThis is a very important shipping lane in international waters. The U.S. and other countries have a duty to protect it. There are several countries that have a stake in this. This is not one country with it's problems contained within it's borders. So yea, there should be a little outrage. Just my opinion. Are you aware that the area involved is pretty much equivalent to the entire Eastern seaboard of the US, from Maine to Northern Florida, and from the coastline almost to India, over 1,000 miles out. The entire combined navies of all the NATO countries could not cover all that area against the small craft the pirates use. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #27 February 24, 2011 I actually try to take a pretty logical approach to this. This problem is one of the easiest to solve, if we'd just get the cajones to do so. A pirate is motivated by money. Nothing more. They are not taking hostages for some religious doctorine ~ they do not expect 70 virgins if they are shot or drown, they are not fighting for their homeland and they are largely not willing to die. It becomes and economics problem ~ raise the cost of pirating to the point that it is no longer a feasable option. Hell, it worked in the 1840's. Shoot them. Period. Raise the cost of their profession, and they'll go elsewhere.=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #28 February 24, 2011 QuoteAre you really suggesting that the US armed forces should summarily kill people who have thrown down their weapons and surrendered? Didn't we hang people for war crimes for doing that sort of thing? After they have killed four people that they kidnapped and held for Ransom...YES Has congress declared WAR? I think we should take the battle to their homes and city that they opperate from. Locate the Mother ships and sink them with all on board. Purge them from the face of the earth if possible, or at least make a good attempt in purging them from the face of the earth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #29 February 24, 2011 per NY Times Seizing of Pirate Commanders Is Questioned http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/24/world/africa/24pirates.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 379 #30 February 24, 2011 Monday morning quarterbacking at it's best. Up until this incident, Somali pirates had not killed any of their hostages. All previous experience suggested that time and calm negotiation would produce a better outcome than going in with guns blazing. Of course, it seems some posters here will grasp at any excuse to kill someone, or anyone. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 379 #31 February 24, 2011 QuoteI think we should take the battle to their homes and city that they opperate from. Locate the Mother ships and sink them with all on board. Purge them from the face of the earth if possible, or at least make a good attempt in purging them from the face of the earth. With opinions like that, I imagine that had you chanced to be born outside the Western World, you would be prime al Qaeda material. You sound exactly like them. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david3 0 #32 February 24, 2011 QuoteQuoteI think we should take the battle to their homes and city that they opperate from. Locate the Mother ships and sink them with all on board. Purge them from the face of the earth if possible, or at least make a good attempt in purging them from the face of the earth. With opinions like that, I imagine that had you chanced to be born outside the Western World, you would be prime al Qaeda material. You sound exactly like them. Don Do you think the Quest should have been allowed to make it to the shore? Do you think the navy went in with guns blazing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #33 February 24, 2011 QuoteAre you really suggesting that the US armed forces should summarily kill people who have thrown down their weapons and surrendered? Didn't we hang people for war crimes for doing that sort of thing? Traditionally the internationally recognized response to piracy on the high seas is summary execution of said pirates. Nothing personal. The fact that we have not seen fit to eradicate said pirates without hesitation simply amazes me. It is like having a "catch and release" policy for rabid animals. If you want us to leave you alone, leave us alone - your call. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 379 #34 February 24, 2011 QuoteDo you think the Quest should have been allowed to make it to the shore? Do you think the navy went in with guns blazing? No, and no. I don't understand the basis for your questions. I think you have me confused with someone else, I never said anything to imply that guns blazing was the way to go. Neither do I think purging cities from the face of the Earth is an appropriate response. I do like the Q-boat idea rather a lot. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #35 February 24, 2011 I just heard a prof from the Naval War College interviewed on NPR. Some interesting points he made: - The pirates are now operating as far out into the Indian Ocean as the coast of India! - In his opinion, eradicating the problem means eradicating their bases on land, not just trying to stop them at sea."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #36 February 24, 2011 There's a reason why the Marine Corps hymn includes the line "to the shores of Tripoli" - the pirates could very well find out what that reason is, if this continues.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david3 0 #37 February 24, 2011 QuoteQuoteDo you think the Quest should have been allowed to make it to the shore? Do you think the navy went in with guns blazing? No, and no. I don't understand the basis for your questions. I think you have me confused with someone else, I never said anything to imply that guns blazing was the way to go. Neither do I think purging cities from the face of the Earth is an appropriate response. I do like the Q-boat idea rather a lot. Don You had said “All previous experience suggested that time and calm negotiation would produce a better outcome than going in with guns blazing”. I wasn’t sure if you were suggesting they had done that this time.” I understand what you are saying now. Yes, I'd like to see their reaction when they try to take a Q-boat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #38 February 24, 2011 I say that any pirate that is captured alive should be made to "walk the plank" at gunpoint off a US Navy ship or any country's navy ship that captures them. Fuck em, nobody will miss them anyway. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #39 February 25, 2011 QuoteI just heard a prof from the Naval War College interviewed on NPR. Some interesting points he made: - The pirates are now operating as far out into the Indian Ocean as the coast of India! - In his opinion, eradicating the problem means eradicating their bases on land, not just trying to stop them at sea. Sounds like someone who understands the problem, Eradicating / Purging. You go after evil and put a stop to it. The US knows were these Pirates operate from, they know where this Clan lives, yet we do nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #40 February 25, 2011 Quote Yes, I'd like to see their reaction when they try to take a Q-boat. I have a friend who is just itching to christen the first Q-ship in the region: The SS Paul Kersey I lean toward: The SS Harry Callahan "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #41 February 25, 2011 SS Presley O'Bannon... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #42 February 25, 2011 Quote SS Presley O'Bannon... For a Q-boat don't you want a less threatening name to draw the enemy in? Like say the USS Perez Hilton?"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #43 February 25, 2011 Quote Quote SS Presley O'Bannon... For a Q-boat don't you want a less threatening name to draw the enemy in? Like say the USS Perez Hilton? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #44 February 25, 2011 Quote Quote Quote SS Presley O'Bannon... For a Q-boat don't you want a less threatening name to draw the enemy in? Like say the USS Perez Hilton? Meh - the SS Barry is MUCH better and more accurate.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #45 February 25, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote SS Presley O'Bannon... For a Q-boat don't you want a less threatening name to draw the enemy in? Like say the USS Perez Hilton? Meh - the SS Barry is MUCH better and more accurate. Don't give up your day job, you won't make it as a comedian.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #46 February 25, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote SS Presley O'Bannon... For a Q-boat don't you want a less threatening name to draw the enemy in? Like say the USS Perez Hilton? Meh - the SS Barry is MUCH better and more accurate. Don't give up your day job, you won't make it as a comedian. You assume I was trying to be funny. You'll know when that happens.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #47 February 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote SS Presley O'Bannon... For a Q-boat don't you want a less threatening name to draw the enemy in? Like say the USS Perez Hilton? Meh - the SS Barry is MUCH better and more accurate. Don't give up your day job, you won't make it as a comedian. You assume I was trying to be funny. . OK, So the "" icon in your post was a mistake. Par for your course.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #48 February 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteI'm emotionally for hanging pirates from the yardarm after trial (in reality, life in a third world prison would be better). I do not favor summarily executing people who have thrown down their arms and surrendered. That is a VERY bad precedent for the US to set. Agreed. Perhaps the way to go then is for Congress to formally declare that a state of war exists against any and all pirates on the high seas. Furthermore, that the penalty for piracy will be the sinking of their boats with no attempt to rescue the survivors. The big mistake is that western nations have been catching and releasing pirates for the past several years. Probably because they don't want the trouble and EXPENSE of transporting them to Europe or the US and imprisoning them for so many years. Keep in mind that prison costs more than a Harvard education. So the pirates are holding hostages for YEARS at a time, and now are wantonly shooting them. It's time to put a stop to it by upping the ante to a death penalty on the high seas. Put a shell into their boat and sail on, the sharks will clean up for you. If the bastards surrender, a quick Captain's Mast proceeding will put some semblance of legality on the hanging to immediately follow. And yes by God, HANG them. What would you do for an alternative ? Bomb the towns where the pirates live, killing women, children, the elderly and other innocents ? When you get the bastards on a boat, on the high seas, they're PIRATES. Fuckin' kill 'em. And remind people with yachts full of Bibles of the risk they're taking sailing into these waters, most pirates can't read anyway. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
