davjohns 1 #26 February 18, 2011 QuoteQuote In general, it is a very one-sided situation in favor of the woman. Yes....but so are the effects of pregnancy. You don't see the boys getting kicked out of high school, or dropping their college plans in same numbers, or suffering potential death from the experience. Excellent point. I made the mistake of seeing this through my own glasses. I presumed the guy was on the hook. There are many men who duck out and avoid responsibility by appearing unemployed. Alternately, the women don't have the wherewithall to pursue them for support. That leaves the woman on the hook for something the man had a part in. I know this will draw criticism galore ... but this whole thing suggests the biblical / religious admonition to have sex within marriage is good advice. Not a cure-all, certainly. But at least the child follows the committment that way. In the modern world of birth control, it's not nearly as big a deal. But still....much of ancient religious wisdom was about how to live your life and be happy. Honestly, I don't see how we ever hope to raise mentally and emotionally healthy children in today's world of relationships without committment, social programs that make it ok to be unemployed and an attitude that having several children by different people without attempting to raise them is ok.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #27 February 18, 2011 QuoteHe should not have to pay for the abortion. She should have the right to an abortion regardless of what he wants. If he wants to raise the child, and she doesn't want a child, if she's worth her salt she'll carry the baby to term and give the child up to him...and pay child support until the young'un is 18. good answer ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #28 February 18, 2011 I am all for any abortion that can be made. I'll pay for her abortion if she wants one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #29 February 18, 2011 It's been nagging my conscience...I have to apologize for my comment earlier. Those types of comments are devisive and only causes more pain...That is not my goal in life, but rather the opposite. Thanks for you gracious attitude toward my folly Popsjumper...you could've really tore me a new one.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #30 February 18, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteOkay, imagine this scenario. A man gets a woman pregnant (consensual sex) and she wants an abortion. But she doesn't have the funds for an abortion, and he doesn't want her to have an abortion. He, on the other hand, DOES have the funds to pay for her abortion should she have one. He also is willing and able to support the child should she carry it to term. He can also prove that abortion is against his long held religious beliefs, and that she knew about his beliefs prior to having sex. Under such circumstances should he be required to pay for the abortion? The options are to few so I took yes, it is cheaper than paying child support for 18 years and he should see that. but I have alway felt that within 3 months of pregnancy the father should have the right to accept or not accept the pregnancy. If the woman chooses to keep the baby and the father chooses not to in the first 3 months the woman is 100% responsible for the baby and the father looses all rights. At what point in the worlds history did this amount of moral ineptitude trump inconvenience? ? I voted he should pay for the abortion and be responsible, but I have problems with the mother not telling the father until after the support payments are ordered or telling the father tough shit on what you want. The female has 100% control after conception and that I feel is wrong. The father needs to have some say on what is going to happen to him and the childs future. It is a situation that few can agree on but both parties share in getting pregnant and both parties should have some control in the options after the pegnancy is started. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #31 February 19, 2011 Of course he shouldn't have to pay for it in your hypothetical situation. Her body, her abortion, her money. Simple as that. But the larger issue the complex situation when the male wants a baby that the female doesn't want to have. I agree that the right thing for her to do would be to carry it to term and into his custody, then pay child support. Maybe this has happened twice, ever. In the real world, she runs off and finds the money via beg, borrow or steal and he is shit out of luck. The responsible thing for the male to do in any situation is to be discerning in who he sleeps with and not sleep with a woman before he is ready for the possibility of a pregnancy. Even with birth control, there is still that small possibility. However, this is about as likely as getting all your affairs in order in case you go in on your next skydive- everyone knows you should do it but given the small chance of it happening, most people simply will not do it. Yes, there is a great inequality here. No one ever said life is fair. OK, now someone give me a witty one liner about how birth control is like an AAD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #32 February 19, 2011 Quote You have obviously never been on the bad side of that kind of decision have you? Which one is the "bad" side?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #33 February 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe decision of whether to have an abortion is 100% hers. The courts have made it very clear that it is none of his business. It seems only logical that an expense that is incurred at the behest of one person is not the responsibility of another. The courts are not always right. Why is his right to be a father to be denied? Because his body and life won't have to suffer 9 months of pregnancy.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #34 February 19, 2011 My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #35 February 19, 2011 QuoteQuote You have obviously never been on the bad side of that kind of decision have you? Which one is the "bad" side? The one where the baby dies.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #36 February 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe decision of whether to have an abortion is 100% hers. The courts have made it very clear that it is none of his business. It seems only logical that an expense that is incurred at the behest of one person is not the responsibility of another. The courts are not always right. Why is his right to be a father to be denied? If a courts not always right, then why should they have a trial with a jury of their peers? The courts would allow her the abortion , as well as tell her to pay for it.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #37 February 20, 2011 Additionally I didn't vote, the choices are to vague. I do not buy his religious beliefs, if his beliefs were so strong he should not have had pre-martial sex. If she can not afford it then she sure in the hell can not afford to have a baby, looks like my taxes will continue to pay for idiotsSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #38 February 20, 2011 QuoteAdditionally I didn't vote, the choices are to vague. I do not buy his religious beliefs, if his beliefs were so strong he should not have had pre-martial sex. If she can not afford it then she sure in the hell can not afford to have a baby, looks like my taxes will continue to pay for idiots Or . . you know there is always the whole - "Let's be repsonsible." thing, that way it doesn't matter..I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #39 February 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteAdditionally I didn't vote, the choices are to vague. I do not buy his religious beliefs, if his beliefs were so strong he should not have had pre-martial sex. If she can not afford it then she sure in the hell can not afford to have a baby, looks like my taxes will continue to pay for idiots Or . . you know there is always the whole - "Let's be repsonsible." thing, that way it doesn't matter.. The only way to be responsible in avoiding pregnancy is to abstain ...Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #40 February 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteAdditionally I didn't vote, the choices are to vague. I do not buy his religious beliefs, if his beliefs were so strong he should not have had pre-martial sex. If she can not afford it then she sure in the hell can not afford to have a baby, looks like my taxes will continue to pay for idiots Or . . you know there is always the whole - "Let's be repsonsible." thing, that way it doesn't matter.. The only way to be responsible in avoiding pregnancy is to abstain ... Your point?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #41 February 20, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Additionally I didn't vote, the choices are to vague. I do not buy his religious beliefs, if his beliefs were so strong he should not have had pre-martial sex. If she can not afford it then she sure in the hell can not afford to have a baby, looks like my taxes will continue to pay for idiots Or . . you know there is always the whole - "Let's be repsonsible." thing, that way it doesn't matter.. The only way to be responsible in avoiding pregnancy is to abstain ... Your point? Your point... well used But I doubt it was very responsible use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #42 February 20, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Additionally I didn't vote, the choices are to vague. I do not buy his religious beliefs, if his beliefs were so strong he should not have had pre-martial sex. If she can not afford it then she sure in the hell can not afford to have a baby, looks like my taxes will continue to pay for idiots Or . . you know there is always the whole - "Let's be repsonsible." thing, that way it doesn't matter.. The only way to be responsible in avoiding pregnancy is to abstain ... Your point? Your point... well used But I doubt it was very responsible use. So you answer someone elses question with a post of no meaning. That's responsible?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
