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Reagan, also wrote many of his own speaches. Just Saying.



Bull shit.

NO President in recent history has written "many" of his speeches. There simply isn't the time.



Reagan was a hands off president. He had plenty of time.

Same with Bush Jr. He just couldn't write.

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Reagan, also wrote many of his own speaches. Just Saying.



Bull shit.

NO President in recent history has written "many" of his speeches. There simply isn't the time.



Could you cite this please . . . in fairness, either way . . . I'd like to believe he had a lot of input into his speeches, but I just don't know.
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All that proves is that he had a speech writer. There is no indication of the level of involvement he had with his speeches.
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All that proves is that he had a speech writer. There is no indication of the level of involvement he had with his speeches.



I'm not completely certain you understand how speeches at that level are written.

What happens is the speaker, in this case the President, has a communications office. While the President may give sweeping themes, like, "I want to talk about the economy", that's about it. This is true for just about ALL Presidents in just about every case. The speech writers then write the speech in consultation with all the other offices, in this example it would be the OMB and other people involved with pushing the President's sweeping agenda. They take the President's previous speeches he made earlier in life and try to find what his "tone" is in communicating his overall ideas. After they've written a draft or two, they send it up to him to read. He'll make a number of strikethroughs on things he just doesn't want to say and maybe a couple of other notes on what else he'd like included, then it goes back to the writers. This goes on, back and forth, until he gets a paper copy, is loaded into the teleprompters (which, again, they ALL use) and is actually delivered. Revisions happen up to the very last minute pretty much all the time.

Sometimes the President goes "off script." This is usually a cause for great concern and the cause for many "oh no, what he meant to say is" press conferences later by his press secretary. Again, this happens to ALL Presidents.

I know a lot of people don't like the politics of the TV series "The West Wing", but for the most part, they got speechwriting VERY right.

Presidents, all of them, set sweeping agendas and give "some" input, but they do NOT have the time to sit at a keyboard and bang out the words.
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All that proves is that he had a speech writer. There is no indication of the level of involvement he had with his speeches.



I'm not completely certain you understand how speeches at that level are written.

What happens is the speaker, in this case the President, has a communications office. While the President may give sweeping themes, like, "I want to talk about the economy", that's about it. This is true for just about ALL Presidents in just about every case. The speech writers then write the speech in consultation with all the other offices, in this example it would be the OMB and other people involved with pushing the President's sweeping agenda. They take the President's previous speeches he made earlier in life and try to find what his "tone" is in communicating his overall ideas. After they've written a draft or two, they send it up to him to read. He'll make a number of strikethroughs on things he just doesn't want to say and maybe a couple of other notes on what else he'd like included, then it goes back to the writers. This goes on, back and forth, until he gets a paper copy and it is loaded into the teleprompters (which, again, they ALL use).

Sometimes the President goes "off script." This is usually a cause for great concern and the cause for many "oh no, what he meant to say is" press conferences later by his press secretary. Again, this happens to ALL Presidents.

I know a lot of people don't like the politics of the TV series "The West Wing", but for the most part, they got speechwriting VERY right.

Presidents, all of them, set sweeping agendas and give "some" input, but they do NOT have the time to sit at a keyboard and bang out the words.



Ok - Yes, I did understand before, and understand even better now. I never thought that he would actually sit at a typewriter and bang on the keys.

But . . . his input is/was more involved than Obama is. No one can verify this but the writers.

That said, I'd be willing to bet that Regan had much more input into his speeches simply because of his experiance level in the political forum.

edited to add:
Back on topic . . . I am glad that we get to hear Boehner speak off the cuff. We actually get to hear what the man has to say, instead of what his handlers want us to hear him say.
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That said, I'd be willing to bet that Regan had much more input into his speeches simply because of his experiance level in the political forum.



I don't think so. I really don't.

I think Reagan had sweeping ideas, but left most of the details up to trusted subordinates. I actually think THAT is leadership; not micromanagement.

Set the big agendas and leave the experts to do their jobs.

For instance, when Reagan proposed "Star Wars" he didn't really have a clue what he was asking. All he knew was that he wanted a technological barrier to Soviet style ICBMs and he left it up to the scientist to attempt to figure out how best to accomplish that.

In terms of public speaking, Reagan's biggest asset was that he was "likable." For the most part he looked like an authority figure and had a nice authoritative voice.

Over the years he figured out the "aw shucks" kind of delivery that made him seem approachable to the average person. You could see him as your dad or grand dad.

Take a look at somebody like Waxman or Lieberman.

It really doesn't matter how smart they are, people, sadly, just don't "like" them because of the way they look and sound.
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Take a look at somebody like Waxman or Lieberman.

It really doesn't matter how smart they are, people, sadly, just don't "like" them because of the way they look and sound.



It has more to do with the fact that they are sanctimonious assholes than whether or not they are smart, or how they look and sound.

I don't care how Waxman looks - he is a truly despicable human being.

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In addition to parading your poor math skills, why do you have the need to misrepresent others' positions?

Your statement above is unbelievably silly.



How long would it take?



Think about it.



I have poor math skills



So, apparently, does Boehner. He voted to continue funding the GE/Rolls engine that the Pentagon says is a complete waste of money. Funny how hypocrisy triumphs when the contractor is in your home state.
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Boehner: 'Read my lips,' GOP will cut spending
http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/17/news/economy/budget_cuts_2011/index.htm

Noble sentiment, but . . . Sir, is that REALLY the phrase you wanted to use?



Just a little help...
I'm a little confused by all this rhetoric by the Republicans saying they want to cut spending. I read earlier today, where the Republicans want to make big cuts in social Security , possiby closing some SS offices and 'laying-off SS employees so they can have the 'money' for their 'projects'. Why, doe both parties always want to 'hit' social Security? I know too many elderly folks who rely on Social Security, just to survive.


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Boehner: 'Read my lips,' GOP will cut spending
http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/17/news/economy/budget_cuts_2011/index.htm

Noble sentiment, but . . . Sir, is that REALLY the phrase you wanted to use?



Just a little help...
I'm a little confused by all this rhetoric by the Republicans saying they want to cut spending. I read earlier today, where the Republicans want to make big cuts in social Security , possiby closing some SS offices and 'laying-off SS employees so they can have the 'money' for their 'projects'. Why, doe both parties always want to 'hit' social Security? I know too many elderly folks who rely on Social Security, just to survive.


Chuck



They do not give the BILLIONS of dollars that Defence Contractors give to the "conservetard" patriots

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Hate to tell you this Turtle but Ronald Reagan was very dependent on teleprompters for most of his speeches. Didn't seem to be a big deal then, why now, what's the big sweat about it?;)



Because there is a BIG difference between being a useful tool and being a necessity that has been proven to be just that, a NECESSITY.

Reagan, also wrote many of his own speaches. Just Saying.

Regan, though why you brought him up in this discussion of Boehner, used the teleprompter occasionally, and rarely if ever in an outdoor setting, could speak for himself instead of chanting and regurgitating what his speech writers told him to say, as Obama does.

My comment was that, at least Boehner isn't afraid of making a mistake, because even if he does, and it is a whopper of a mistake, it is because he mispoke his own thoughts, noit those of the puppet masters that control your idol.


Actually, no - if you pull up the footage from his outdoor speeches, he doesn't. Obama won't speak in public unless he has one, or this happens . . .

Or this

Or this

etc.

(Yes the last one is just humor):D


Now HERE'S a guy who really needs a teleprompter.
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In addition to parading your poor math skills, why do you have the need to misrepresent others' positions?

Your statement above is unbelievably silly.



How long would it take?


Think about it.


I have poor math skills


So, apparently, does Boehner. He voted to continue funding the GE/Rolls engine that the Pentagon says is a complete waste of money. Funny how hypocrisy triumphs when the contractor is in your home state.


So does this mean you really have no idea if taxing the rich at 100% would ever result in the debt being paid off. It's cool if you were just talking out of your butt. We all do that sometimes. ;)

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So does this mean you really have no idea if taxing the rich at 100% would ever result in the debt being paid off. It's cool if you were just talking out of your butt. We all do that sometimes. ;)



Good luck with that. He'll answer a direct question almost as often as Dreamdancer.
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Boehner: 'Read my lips,' GOP will cut spending
http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/17/news/economy/budget_cuts_2011/index.htm

Noble sentiment, but . . . Sir, is that REALLY the phrase you wanted to use?



Just a little help...
I'm a little confused by all this rhetoric by the Republicans saying they want to cut spending. I read earlier today, where the Republicans want to make big cuts in social Security , possiby closing some SS offices and 'laying-off SS employees so they can have the 'money' for their 'projects'. Why, doe both parties always want to 'hit' social Security? I know too many elderly folks who rely on Social Security, just to survive.


Chuck


They do not give the BILLIONS of dollars that Defence Contractors give to the "conservetard" patriots


I thought maybe, it was because Social Security has always had an 'abundance' and all the politicians 'hit' it to fund all their 'Porky Pig' projects.
To me, So many elderly, who worked all their lives for it, rely on SS and the assholes who they and we vote for want to take it away from them. Just so the politicians can get their pet projects which in turn, get them votes and keep the no-good SOB's in office! >:(:S


Chuck

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Boehner: 'Read my lips,' GOP will cut spending
http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/17/news/economy/budget_cuts_2011/index.htm

Noble sentiment, but . . . Sir, is that REALLY the phrase you wanted to use?



Just a little help...
I'm a little confused by all this rhetoric by the Republicans saying they want to cut spending. I read earlier today, where the Republicans want to make big cuts in social Security , possiby closing some SS offices and 'laying-off SS employees so they can have the 'money' for their 'projects'. Why, doe both parties always want to 'hit' social Security? I know too many elderly folks who rely on Social Security, just to survive.


Chuck


They do not give the BILLIONS of dollars that Defence Contractors give to the "conservetard" patriots


I thought maybe, it was because Social Security has always had an 'abundance' and all the politicians 'hit' it to fund all their 'Porky Pig' projects.
To me, So many elderly, who worked all their lives for it, rely on SS and the assholes who they and we vote for want to take it away from them. Just so the politicians can get their pet projects which in turn, get them votes and keep the no-good SOB's in office! >:(:S


Chuck


The greedy bottom feeders always seem to go after anything that the least fortunate members of our society might get... and it does not matter if they earned that as part of the society by working for that stipend from SS or not.



I hope to hell that the FRINGE right can keep their greedy mitts off SS and not "privateer" it... Just think where we would be if they had "privateered it along with the rest of the Wall Street Fiasco. My IRA's and 401K's are worth about half of what they once were.. and I have some nice useless commmon stock from several companies.. that decided to just "re-privateer" all the money not in PREFERRED stock. So far at least.. the pond scum have been prevented from feeding on my little stipend that I will be getting in a few years from SS[:/]

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In addition to parading your poor math skills, why do you have the need to misrepresent others' positions?

Your statement above is unbelievably silly.



How long would it take?


Think about it.


I have poor math skills


So, apparently, does Boehner. He voted to continue funding the GE/Rolls engine that the Pentagon says is a complete waste of money. Funny how hypocrisy triumphs when the contractor is in your home state.


So does this mean you really have no idea if taxing the rich at 100% would ever result in the debt being paid off. It's cool if you were just talking out of your butt. We all do that sometimes. ;)


It seems you can't even get the quote correct. It was "the ultra rich, AND EVERYONE ELSE, were taxed at 100%", emphasis not mine.

Now try thinking about it.
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So does this mean you really have no idea if taxing the rich at 100% would ever result in the debt being paid off. It's cool if you were just talking out of your butt. We all do that sometimes. ;)



Good luck with that. He'll answer a direct question almost as often as Dreamdancer.


Why don't you tell us how Boehner is serious about cutting spending when he comes out in favor of pork in his own state?
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So, apparently, does Boehner. He voted to continue funding the GE/Rolls engine that the Pentagon says is a complete waste of money. Funny how hypocrisy triumphs when the contractor is in your home state.



Obama waivered GE from the EPA greenhouse gas regs. Funny how hypocrisy triumphs when the CEO is your jobs czar.
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I hope to hell that the FRINGE right can keep their greedy mitts off SS and not "privateer" it... Just think where we would be if they had "privateered it along with the rest of the Wall Street Fiasco. My IRA's and 401K's are worth about half of what they once were.. and I have some nice useless commmon stock from several companies.. that decided to just "re-privateer" all the money not in PREFERRED stock. So far at least.. the pond scum have been prevented from feeding on my little stipend that I will be getting in a few years from SS[:/]



well, in your case, you would have been better off with any likely form of privatized SS. Your 401k would have still been wrecked, but your SS payout would be better.

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I hope to hell that the FRINGE right can keep their greedy mitts off SS and not "privateer" it... Just think where we would be if they had "privateered it along with the rest of the Wall Street Fiasco. My IRA's and 401K's are worth about half of what they once were.. and I have some nice useless commmon stock from several companies.. that decided to just "re-privateer" all the money not in PREFERRED stock. So far at least.. the pond scum have been prevented from feeding on my little stipend that I will be getting in a few years from SS[:/]



well, in your case, you would have been better off with any likely form of privatized SS. Your 401k would have still been wrecked, but your SS payout would be better.


BULL... Privatizing it would be subjecting it to the same GREEDY wall street bastages who knowingly ripped off all of us on Main Street in the last 10 years.

I am just not a fan of turning my money over to GAMBLERS.. CROOKED GAMBLERS who get theri house cut right off the top.

How about just keeping EVERYONES grubby mitts off SS.. Politicians who see it as a nice little slush fund to fund the next bridge to nowhere.. and "FINANCIAL" money managers who see it as the NEXT BIG THING TO RIP OFF to fund the lifestyle they have become used to after nearly destroying the country in the last 10 years.

How about FIXING it by putting all the money back as a priority... that has been (bet on the come) stolen so far.

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