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QuoteQuoteWRONG. Unions do not control wages. They just negotiate the best deal they can for their members with management
WRONG. They artificially inflate wages by threats of strikes.
Stick to physics... you clearly do not grasp economics.
or honesty...
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rushmc 23
In case you are unaware of the little reported quote of FDR
Quote“FDR; "All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations ... The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for ... officials ... to bind the employer ... The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives"”
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Again...Walker cannot think of any other way to make cuts? I think he and his party could. But rather than go there, he's come up with a plan and nothing else will do for him other than pushing his plan.
As I said earlier, 90% of a states budged is dedicated to either Educate, Medicate, or incarcerate the state. Any cuts that have meaning will have to take place in one of these three sectors. I really don't see the problem with mandating that people working in the public sector get the same pay and benefits as those in the private sector. When the economy turns around, I think that would work to their favor.
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He's unwilling to compromise. The unions, as much as I don't care for unions these days, ARE willing.
Yes, they are willing to compromise right now. Only because it's a republican legislature and they only need to find a way to hold on until a democratic legislature works its way back into office. Then record deficits will be ran back up and all old habits will resume. You said worry about the now, but we can still learn from the past.
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Walker would do well to take the piece of pie he's being offered now. He could always come back for another piece later. My problem with the whole thing is, Walker's scare tactics aside, that he and his supports seem to want the entire pie that the bill currently covers all at once and everybody else be damned.
Walkers bill evens the playing field for future legislations. When the economy recovers and the public sector has to raise it's pay to maintain quality workers, I'm down with that to.
Every seems to forget that the private sectors need talent also. They are the ones paying the taxes that feed the wallets of the public sector. We can't expect China to float our government for ever, oh, wait, they have already stopped buying bonds....
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Quote[Reply]Do, you see...the guv won't compromise as yet....it's not about unions...it's about Walker's power grab.
To hell with what the citizens want.
It's not that. It's an easy spin to make, but the offer of "concessions" is like an offer to make concessions on salary puts a temporary fix on things but leaves the broken structure intact to allow the same problem to pop up again in the future.
I would conider it about like having a major infection and only taking a few of the prescribed antibiotics to cure it. The symptoms go away for a while, but always return. The biological culprits then become more resistant to the meds. The result is the same, just prolonged a little while. The host is still destroyed in the end.
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QuoteWe are talking about the NOW. They are willing NOW.
QuoteTalking about the NOW while ignoring the past is foolish.
Foolish? Dealing with the NOW is what's going on. Are you saying that you're ignoring any compromise the union side is offering simply because of what may have happened in the past? Is it all about punishing the unions instead of fiscal responsibility?
QuoteThe Unions artificially inflated wages WAY past what the market would bear. This is one of the reason this problem exists.
That may be true yet you don't want to deal with what's happening NOW?
QuoteWell, what's the problem? If your livelihood was in jeopardy, would you not try to save YOUR ass?
QuoteIf they had not been so greedy up to this point, this point may never have been reached.
That could be said about any job. Your livelihood being pinched....are you going to stand back and let it happen even if you took raises you didn't deserve last year? I don't think so.
As it stands, Walker is being the hard-headed one. He may change but we'll have to wait and see...it's day-to-day right now.
I just think it's odd that he's unwilling to look at other options and is throwing out the verbal scare tactics.
Kinda like, "If you put a camera on your head at 199 jumps you're gonna die!"
My reality and yours are quite different.
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WRONG. They artificially inflate wages by threats of strikes.
Stick to physics... you clearly do not grasp economics.
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