turtlespeed 226 #101 February 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteSo, back to topic... In Canada's largest province (Ontario) 1 in every 13 people who draws breath and has a heart beat (this included senior citizens and children) works for the Ontario Provincial Government with many more people working for the Federal Government and respective Municipal Governments. Each one of these public sector workers demands a job for life (many of them make over 100k a year) and they all demand full pensions. It is simply unsustainable. But with so many of them working for the government is there any wonder why Left leaning political parties are almost always in power. The motto of these public sector workers here is "I am entitled to my entitlements". They pass this entitlement on to the next generation and make sure that only people who think like themselves are ever hired into these public service sectors. Nothing quite like nepetism.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #102 February 20, 2011 Canada made some big cuts though... http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/01/john-stossel-are-politicians-serious-about-spending-cuts%3F What did Canada do? It cut spending from 17.5 percent of GDP to 11.3 percent. This wasn't merely a cut in the growth of spending, a favorite trick of congressional committees. These were actual reductions in absolute spending. "If a cabinet minister wanted a smaller cut in one program, he had to come up with a bigger cut in another program," writes Henderson in "Canada's Budget Triumph," published by the Mercatus Center. All but one of Canada's 22 federal departments experienced real cuts in spending. While Canada raised taxes slightly, spending was cut six to seven times more. These supposedly painful cuts didn't cause terrible pain. In fact, there was much more gain than pain. Unemployment dropped, the economy boomed, and the Canadian dollar -- then worth about 71 cents U.S. -- today is about equal to the American dollar. If Canada can do it, we can, too. But the signs aren't good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #103 February 20, 2011 Quote Facts? What part of "It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January. If the Legislature were simply to rescind Walker’s new spending schemes -- or delay their implementation until they are offset by fresh revenues -- the “crisis” would not exist." did you fail to comprehend? So ah, just saw the Governor on Fox Sunday... he said they have a budget deficit of 3.6 Billion. 140 million .... 3.6 billion 140 million .... 3.6 billion 140 million .... 3.6 billion hm... I have OCD so just making sure. Checkin 3 times... Yup... 140 million < 3.6 billion You'd have to elaborate on the 140 million, for me to give my opinion on what you are talking about. But ah, they appear to need to cut a few more bucks... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #104 February 20, 2011 QuoteCanada made some big cuts though... http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/01/john-stossel-are-politicians-serious-about-spending-cuts%3F What did Canada do? It cut spending from 17.5 percent of GDP to 11.3 percent. Yes at the Federal level spending cuts were made. But don't let the magic show fool you. These cuts were made on the backs of the provinces. All the previous Federal Government did was stop sending as much money to the provinces and since constitutionally the provinces are responsible for administering healthcare, education, infrastructure and welfare to their respective citizens, what did the provinces do? They had to cut services such as healhcare and now healthcare all across Canada is in deep trouble. So do not confuse Federal Spending with Provincial spending. Canada also has something called "Equalization" where the richer provinces support the poor provinces. Problem is, this creates a perpetual culture among the have-not provinces to never attempt to balance their books. They know that if all of a sudden they acted fiscally responsible, they will lose their equalization payments. It is like parents allowing their 20-30 year old child to live in their basement. There is no incentive for the 20-30 year old to support themselves when they know someone else will be supporting them. Nepotism is alive and thriving in Canada's have-not provinces. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #105 February 21, 2011 QuoteQuote Facts? What part of "It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January. If the Legislature were simply to rescind Walker’s new spending schemes -- or delay their implementation until they are offset by fresh revenues -- the “crisis” would not exist." did you fail to comprehend? So ah, just saw the Governor on Fox Sunday... he said they have a budget deficit of 3.6 Billion. 140 million .... 3.6 billion 140 million .... 3.6 billion 140 million .... 3.6 billion hm... I have OCD so just making sure. Checkin 3 times... Yup... 140 million < 3.6 billion You'd have to elaborate on the 140 million, for me to give my opinion on what you are talking about. But ah, they appear to need to cut a few more bucks... Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal says the shortfall is $137M. online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704900004576152172777557748.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #106 February 21, 2011 Ok, so I looked at about 10 different stories, quickly... Saw this... this seems to make more sense: At stake is a bill designed to address the state’s budget deficit. Governor Scott Walker, who says the state is “broke,” is asking legislators to pass his Budget Repair Bill to combat a $137 million shortfall through June 30. An upcoming two-year budget for 2011-13 must address a pending $3.6 billion deficit, he said. http://pershingareanews.com/wisconsin-budget-fight-will-other-states-follow-suite.html So we are both right... though, I am far from convinced this repair bill was a fraud and paid out money to his supporters and/or special interests. BUT, they still need to renegotiate pensions... or they'll get nothing. spelling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #107 February 21, 2011 QuoteSo ah, just saw the Governor on Fox Sunday... he said they have a budget deficit of 3.6 Billion. Well, Faux News has a reputation for distorting things to fit their agenda. I didn't watch that but assuming you are correct in your paraphrase of the Governor's statement, maybe he just forgot to mention the word "pending". It's hard to take anything from Fox News as gospel truth. One quite often gets into trouble when doing so.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #108 February 21, 2011 Watched the clip again... nope, no use of the word, pending. But ah, what would that even change? They will still run out of money... there is still a 3.6 billion budget shortfall. Two Politifacts: Maddow takes on Fox News over New Black Panther Party - FALSE http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/feb/09/maddow-takes-fox-news-over-new-black-panther-party/ "Despite what you may have heard about Wisconsin’s finances, the state is on track to have a budget surplus this year." - FALSE http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/18/rachel-maddow/rachel-maddow-says-wisconsin-track-have-budget-sur/ BTW... two of the Governor's additional comments: 1) The same groups who are currently protesting, tried to "ram through" employee contacts that would have locked things into place before he took office. They are not truly interested in conceding... 2) Federal Stimulus funds were used to balance the budget previously, the budget deficits were never addressed... now, they must be addressed. So... if collective bargaining for benefits (excluding Wages) is left intact... they will simply, try and get back what they conceded in, later... and it will be back at square one. What Chris Christie has been doing is no different... and several other states will be doing the same. Sorry... time to feel the pain. spelling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #109 February 21, 2011 If it walks like a troll and talks like a troll ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #110 February 21, 2011 QuoteIf it walks like a troll and talks like a troll ... If it flies like a yellow troll and bleets like a troll... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #111 February 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteIf it walks like a troll and talks like a troll ... If it flies like a yellow troll and bleets like a troll... Got anything not scripted by me?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #112 February 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteIf it walks like a troll and talks like a troll ... If it flies like a yellow troll and bleets like a troll... Amazon... being interviewed at 00:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouXB-tvUF4w Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #113 February 21, 2011 Where are the Black People? Did you notice the people were 99.99% White? This was very clearly a rally of racist White People. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #114 February 21, 2011 http://www.politifact.com/...ack-have-budget-sur/ Quite an interesting read. The $140 million in decreased revenues from taxes aren't even going to be in effect until next year. AND - if they include the $200 million that needs to be repaid to patient compensation fund, "a debt courts have declared resulted from an illegal raid on the fund." Hmmm. This is the sort of story being told all over the country and for the country as a whole. yep, the bill is coming due. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #115 February 21, 2011 Quotehttp://www.politifact.com/...ack-have-budget-sur/ . This page is in an undisclosed location. So secret, we don't know where it is either. You’ve followed a link to a page that doesn’t exist. Please use the navigation or search box above or try starting over from our main page. I don't know what you were trying to link, but this suggests there's a lot of lying going on from all sides.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #116 February 21, 2011 QuoteAmazon... being interviewed at 00:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouXB-tvUF4w ROFLMAO ... here is another good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUybMMYmpxo Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #117 February 21, 2011 Quotebut this suggests there's a lot of lying going on from all sides. Indeed. It goes on by all sides. Just telling the truth about things might show that a position is unreasonable and would allow sides to be acknowledged as having legitimate gripes. Naw. They're just unions leaches or corporate whores... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #118 February 21, 2011 QuoteUmmm - they do when its a contract for a bank CEO to get a huge severance package despite having to bailed out by the Federal Govt. Contract busting is only for the little people. So, since GM got bailed out, you disagree with the bonuses they are handing out, right?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #119 February 21, 2011 QuoteCurious.. who has to pay the Wisconsin Natioal Guard and Air Guard Dept. of Defense.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #120 February 21, 2011 QuoteQuotehttp://www.politifact.com/...ack-have-budget-sur/ . This page is in an undisclosed location. So secret, we don't know where it is either. You’ve followed a link to a page that doesn’t exist. Please use the navigation or search box above or try starting over from our main page. I don't know what you were trying to link, but this suggests there's a lot of lying going on from all sides. Even on here John. Funny how you jump on anyone who posts BS except when it comes from you. are you gonna own up and say your posts were a bit premature?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #121 February 21, 2011 Something else to consider: 48% Back GOP Governor in Wisconsin Spat, 38% Side With Unions http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/february_2011/48_back_gop_governor_in_wisconsin_spat_38_side_with_unions BTW Union members are not the problem... Its the union leaders. Like Andy Stern. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #122 February 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteCurious.. who has to pay the Wisconsin National Guard and Air Guard Dept. of Defense. Per quick Wiki searches: both those particular units are funded and maintained jointly by the Wisconsin state and US Federal governments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_National_Guard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #123 February 21, 2011 Quote Quote Quote If it walks like a troll and talks like a troll ... If it flies like a yellow troll and bleets like a troll... Got anything not scripted by me? Why for.. its all ya got.... your posts sound like a badly cracked DVD there little fella Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #124 February 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteCurious.. who has to pay the Wisconsin National Guard and Air Guard Dept. of Defense. Per quick Wiki searches: both those particular units are funded and maintained jointly by the Wisconsin state and US Federal governments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_National_Guard State and Fed.gov contribute to base expenditures, yes - but that wasn't the question asked. Your wiki page provides no information in that regard, either. DOD handles pay, at least according to NG.mil - I think I'll take their word for it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #125 February 21, 2011 Quote BTW Union members are not the problem... Its the union leaders. Like Andy Stern. Agreed. I don't think this measure would even have been considered if the Union Bosses were more flexible. Wasn't this the union that wouldn't even back down on there medical plan paying for Viagra? i guess they just want to be able to continue to screw the tax payers. As long as they get theirs."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
