Wisconsin democrats leave state to avoid union vote

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Obviously you like the rest of the FRINGe RIGHT you think that the issue that is causing this is fair game to BREAK all the contracts and bust the unions...and then SPEND all those pension funds like you have done in the private sector over and over.

I would say those workers earned their pensions.. not the rich who wish to spend all of that money that was set aside.

Legality means nothing to those who are wanting to bend over in hopes of a bit of trickle from their rich masters.

Its a pretty simple yes or no question. Is it that hard for you to answer?

here is is again: "So do you support legislators cowering from their duties and running away to escape the duties that they swore under oath to do?"

So far everything you have posted leads to the answer "Yes."

Is that answer what you would like to stick with? Is that your final answer?

You can answer that question can't you? You are capable, yes?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Obviously you like the rest of the FRINGe RIGHT you think that the issue that is causing this is fair game to BREAK all the contracts and bust the unions...and then SPEND all those pension funds like you have done in the private sector over and over.

I would say those workers earned their pensions.. not the rich who wish to spend all of that money that was set aside.

Legality means nothing to those who are wanting to bend over in hopes of a bit of trickle from their rich masters.

Its a pretty simple yes or no question. Is it that hard for you to answer?

here is is again: "So do you support legislators cowering from their duties and running away to escape the duties that they swore under oath to do?"

So far everything you have posted leads to the answer "Yes."

Is that answer what you would like to stick with? Is that your final answer?

You can answer that question can't you? You are capable, yes?

I seem to remember another FASCIST who did not like Trade unions...

Paraphrased but historically accurate

The Trade Unions offices were closed down, their money confiscated, and their leaders were put in prison. In their place, The Labour Front reduced workers' pay and took away the right to strike.

Such INTERESTING company the FRINGE RIGHT is following in the footsteps of

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Obviously you like the rest of the FRINGe RIGHT you think that the issue that is causing this is fair game to BREAK all the contracts and bust the unions...and then SPEND all those pension funds like you have done in the private sector over and over.

I would say those workers earned their pensions.. not the rich who wish to spend all of that money that was set aside.

Legality means nothing to those who are wanting to bend over in hopes of a bit of trickle from their rich masters.

Its a pretty simple yes or no question. Is it that hard for you to answer?

here is is again: "So do you support legislators cowering from their duties and running away to escape the duties that they swore under oath to do?"

So far everything you have posted leads to the answer "Yes."

Is that answer what you would like to stick with? Is that your final answer?

You can answer that question can't you? You are capable, yes?

I seem to remember another FASCIST who did not like Trade unions...

Paraphrased but historically accurate

The Trade Unions offices were closed down, their money confiscated, and their leaders were put in prison. In their place, The Labour Front reduced workers' pay and took away the right to strike.

Such INTERESTING company the FRINGE RIGHT is following in the footsteps of

You that is a Yes. Gotcha

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Actually, just the local police will do. It is the law after all.
Or are you advocating breaking the law and having it go unnoticed and unpunished because it is a party you agree with idealogically?

What "law" are you talking about here?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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Way to not answer the question and imply that I would support a felony. (why should I expect anything else from you lately?)

What "felony" are YOU talking about here? Can you show the felony law that applies here?

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So do you support legislators running away to avoid letting government function according to the constitution?

I'm not sure the constitution says anything about legislators must be physically present to make them participate in a vote on anything. Can you provide a source for your claim?

As far as the off-site tactic...what in the world makes you think this is something new and unheard of?

Legislators at all levels do it all the time.

Sure...it's a tactic just like all those others you mentioned, plus more.

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Is this simply an R vs D thing to you?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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here is is again: "So do you support legislators cowering from their duties and running away to escape the duties that they swore under oath to do?"

Even though you put it in such emotional terms, yes.

I suppose you are having trouble with all the other tactics politicians use to avoid or stall a vote?

The one thing in the article that I did not find (point it out if I missed it, please) is the most important factor:
What does the Wisconsin population want with respect to the proposal?

If they, the populace, want it to pass, then I would stand against the move simply because the Ds are not representing their constituents.

If they, the populace, does NOT want it to pass, then I would stand for the move simply because the Rs are not representing their constituents.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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But actually fleeing the fucking state tonavoid being dragged bodily into the capital so that the state constitution can be upheld?

I'l bet five bucks that these Dems: (1) expect to be paid for the day; (2) expensed the travel; and (3) will try to deduct the expenses.

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Turnabout is fair play/// SUCK IT UP CUPCAKES

Ever notice that when Republicans follow the lead of Democrats, the Democrats bitch and whine about it? And when Democrats follow the lead of Republicans the Republicans complain? It's because of the whole "by any means necessary" issue.

Think of the person who actually had the balls to suggest, "Let's flee the state."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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But actually fleeing the fucking state tonavoid being dragged bodily into the capital so that the state constitution can be upheld?

I'l bet five bucks that these Dems: (1) expect to be paid for the day; (2) expensed the travel; and (3) will try to deduct the expenses.

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Turnabout is fair play/// SUCK IT UP CUPCAKES

Ever notice that when Republicans follow the lead of Democrats, the Democrats bitch and whine about it? And when Democrats follow the lead of Republicans the Republicans complain? It's because of the whole "by any means necessary" issue.

Think of the person who actually had the balls to suggest, "Let's flee the state."

Every elected official needs an impromptu vacation at a nice hotel, paid for by the constituents whether they like it or not.

As far as if the people want the change, obviously they did - they elected the people doing the changing. it is not a one person spread - it is 19 to 14 there is a 5 person difference.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Amazon was implying I would support kidnapping, a felon in every state I think. It would even be federal offense as it would require transport across state lines.

The law Turtle mentioned that the legislators are not following is a state law (or clause in their constitution, I haven't foun the text yet) where lawmakers can be called to respond to sessions, and if the sergeant at arms cannot locate them, he can call on state law enforcement to assist in locating them and bringing them to session.

Like I said, I don't have the text because I'm on my phone and not a desktop or laptop. It's not an R vs D because I don't fully agree with the bill being pushed by the governor and republican senators.

I know legislators hide out away from the floor all the time, in offices, bars, and more, but I only know of one other time when cowards actually fled th state to avoid letting government function (TX).

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Amazon was implying I would support kidnapping, a felon in every state I think. It would even be federal offense as it would require transport across state lines.

The law Turtle mentioned that the legislators are not following is a state law (or clause in their constitution, I haven't foun the text yet) where lawmakers can be called to respond to sessions, and if the sergeant at arms cannot locate them, he can call on state law enforcement to assist in locating them and bringing them to session.

Like I said, I don't have the text because I'm on my phone and not a desktop or laptop. It's not an R vs D because I don't fully agree with the bill being pushed by the governor and republican senators.

I know legislators hide out away from the floor all the time, in offices, bars, and more, but I only know of one other time when cowards actually fled th state to avoid letting government function (TX).

Ye, Texas, it happend here too - they were a bunch of cowards an the bill they didn't want passed got passed anyway. All they did was reinforce that they look like a buch of childish morons. In the end, the move cost them several MORE seats in the following election.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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I'l bet five bucks that these Dems: (1) expect to be paid for the day; (2) expensed the travel; and (3) will try to deduct the expenses.

Yep, just like the teachers holding an illegal strike, using sick days and shutting down entire school districts. Kinda hard to claim it's all for the kiddies when you are denying them education and their free breakfast and lunch.

As to what Amazon wrote, yeah that's why I can't take her seriously anymore, and she is just as bad or worse than the people and posters she complains about.

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I'l bet five bucks that these Dems: (1) expect to be paid for the day; (2) expensed the travel; and (3) will try to deduct the expenses.

Yep, just like the teachers holding an illegal strike, using sick days and shutting down entire school districts. Kinda hard to claim it's all for the kiddies when you are denying them education and their free breakfast and lunch.

As to what Amazon wrote, yeah that's why I can't take her seriously anymore, and she is just as bad or worse than the people and posters she complains about.

There are categories that her kind fit into. It is a very special club. The roll includes, but is not limited to:
Rhys
Dreamdancer
Amazon
Lucky

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Until she started going off about Blackwater being the next SS or brownshirts and callin everyone who disagrees with her Nazis or Fascists, I might have said she doesn't belong inthat company. Now? If the shoes fit...

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http://www.google.com/search?q=wisconsin&hl=en&prmd=ivnsubmr&source=univ&tbs=nws:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=XK1eTfr2DtKDtge2vf23DA&ved=0CE0QqAI

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Cops now pursuing missing Wisconsin Dems, senator alleges

By Greg Sargent
Wisconsin state police have visited the home of at least one of the missing Wisconsin state senators in an apparent effort to force him to return to the capitol to vote on the proposal to roll back public employees' bargaining rights, a Democratic senator alleged to me in an interview.

State Senator Chris Larson, one of the Democrats who is remaining in Illinois to stall the vote on Governor Scott Walker's measure, tells me that another Dem Senator -- who he declined to name -- returned home late yesterday to try to get some sleep. That Senator's staff reported to Larson that police visited his home, but that the Senator had managed to slip away before cops could apprehend him.

"Police were sent over to his house, but he was able to get out of there," Larson told me.

Larson said that Republican leaders in the State Senate -- who couldn't immediately be reached for comment -- would be the ones to ask the State Police to make such a visit. He said he had also received unconfirmed reports from other Democrats that police were visiting other homes, too.

Most of the Senators remain in Illinios, Larson added, meaning they may be out of reach of cops. But if Republicans have now unleashed an effort to get the cops to haul these Dems back to the capitol, it will only up the tension and urgency of this standoff.

More when I learn it.

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This is all about the Dems not wanting their names tagged to a no vote that goes against the wishes of the majority of the citizenry.

1 - you mean "the wishes of the union government employees"

2 - the majority of the citizenry is likely for spending cuts - the interviews and news reports here (MN, WI) bear me out.

What I see here, is a group of lawmakers scared to death when confronted with having to make fiscally responsible decisions for the good of the people. At least half of the WI government has some leadership.

Too bad the National leadership is just as big a cowards in both parties.

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This is all about the Dems not wanting their names tagged to a no vote that goes against the wishes of the majority of the citizenry.

1 - you mean "the wishes of the union government employees"

2 - the majority of the citizenry is likely for spending cuts - the interviews and news reports here (MN, WI) bear me out.

What I see here, is a group of lawmakers scared to death when confronted with having to make fiscally responsible decisions for the good of the people. At least half of the WI government has some leadership.

Too bad the National leadership is just as big a cowards in both parties.

I probably wasn't as clear as I needed to be. They don't want to be on record voting against the wishes of the citizenry. Dems did that with HC and got their asses handed to them.

Please don't dent the planet.

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Until she started going off about Blackwater being the next SS or brownshirts and callin everyone who disagrees with her Nazis or Fascists, I might have said she doesn't belong inthat company. Now? If the shoes fit...

In your rmindless rush to support your FRINGE RIGHT MANTRA.. you and your ilk are completely incapable os seeing the parrallel that another great right winger used to bust unions... go look it up.. Learning from history is something perhaps those of you in the FAR FRINGE right should try some time.

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Until she started going off about Blackwater being the next SS or brownshirts and callin everyone who disagrees with her Nazis or Fascists, I might have said she doesn't belong inthat company. Now? If the shoes fit...

In your rmindless rush to support your FRINGE RIGHT MANTRA.. you and your ilk are completely incapable os seeing the parrallel that another great right winger used to bust unions... go look it up.. Learning from history is something perhaps those of you in the FAR FRINGE right should try some time.

It is you that are on the fringe.
The people of Wisconsin want this union busted as you would put it.

Read and learn before you assume so much as you seem to do more than you do any actual thinking.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Until she started going off about Blackwater being the next SS or brownshirts and callin everyone who disagrees with her Nazis or Fascists, I might have said she doesn't belong inthat company. Now? If the shoes fit...

In your rmindless rush to support your FRINGE RIGHT MANTRA.. you and your ilk are completely incapable os seeing the parrallel that another great right winger used to bust unions... go look it up.. Learning from history is something perhaps those of you in the FAR FRINGE right should try some time.

It is you that are on the fringe.
The people of Wisconsin want this union busted as you would put it.

Read and learn before you assume so much as you seem to do more than you do any actual thinking.

Follow the money... the Koch brothers sure are... be sure to pray to them for some of that trickle...

This is not about balancing a budget... I know that is hard to see for those who have their heads fimly implanted rectally ... they really should come out for air and see where this is REALLLLY coming from.

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I know that is hard to see for those who have their heads fimly implanted rectally ...

AHHH - So you admit that you are blinded by your own bias.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Has anyone figured out is this is truely illegal? If so, what are the penalties?

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Has anyone figured out is this is truely illegal? If so, what are the penalties?

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The Wisconsin Constitution prohibits police from arresting legislators while they're in session

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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It may be ythat they are compelled to be there while in session but, is it illegal?

On a side note I think it's dispicable that those who were elected are to serve the people of their State are doing this. If you don't want the vote to take place then filibuster, but this action does nothing but lower the perception of extreme partisanship even more than it already is.

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It may be ythat they are compelled to be there while in session but, is it illegal?

On a side note I think it's dispicable that those who were elected are to serve the people of their State are doing this. If you don't want the vote to take place then filibuster, but this action does nothing but lower the perception of extreme partisanship even more than it already is.

If they are not allowed to be arrested when the senate is in session . . . they may have the equivalent of diplomatic immunity.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Then I wonder why the police are after them? What would they be able to do if the police found them? Can't physically force them to return if they haven't broken any laws.