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You do know Sukarno was appointed president in 1945 and remained so until 1998. Not exaclty democracy at its finest. Since 1998 things are significantly improviing, other than the fact that Indo was the ahrdest hit country in the Asian financial collapse of the late 90s. Since then the country and govt seem to be doing better, but is the govt really an Islamic govt, or is it a govt of secular laws run by guys who are Muslims?
As for Turkey, I can answer that for you, and you can confirm it on the country's website along with wiki, the cia fact book, and any other source you like.
It is a country of secular laws run by guys who are Muslims and populated by Muslims. That's a far cry from an Islamic state.
As for Turkey, I can answer that for you, and you can confirm it on the country's website along with wiki, the cia fact book, and any other source you like.
QuoteTurkey is a democratic, secular, unitary, constitutional republic with has an ancient cultural heritage. Turkey is an independent Turkic state which has become increasingly integrated with the West through membership in organizations such as the Council of Europe, NATO, OECD, OSCE and the G-20 major economies.
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Turkey has also fostered close cultural, political, economic and industrial relations with the Middle East, the Turkic states of Central Asia and the African countries through membership in organizations such as the Organisation of the Islamic Conference and the Economic Cooperation Organization. Given its strategic location, large economy and military strength, Turkey is a major regional power.
It is a country of secular laws run by guys who are Muslims and populated by Muslims. That's a far cry from an Islamic state.
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The question was is Islam compatible with democracy. No true Theocracy is compatible with democracy regardless of the religion. Islam as you are aware is not a religion that is practiced only on the Sabbath. The aforementioned countries are without an doubt Muslim countries, the fact that they are secular in their government but run by Muslims in a democracy clearly shows that there is no incompatibility between Islam and democracy. Its precisely this kind of model that Muslims across the Islamic world are moving towards with the people power movements we are now seeing. The media isn't broadcasting half of what is currently going on.
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Agreed, but the question was not whether Islam and democracy are incompatible, but whether a government based on Islam can be democratic. The USA is overwhelmingly inhabited and run by Christians. But it is not a Christian country (thank God!) no matter how much some fundamental whackjobs here want to make it one.
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I believe that a contitutional republic based on democratic principles is the best form of government, particularly when the constitution is well written.
Me too.
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QuoteHowever, if the people of Egypt go to the trouble of having a revolution and then settle for a government intent on running their entire life and squashing all dissent, well then why the hell did they bother in the first place?
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QuoteIt is a country of secular laws run by guys who are Muslims and populated by Muslims. That's a far cry from an Islamic state.
The problem is that Westerners are so un-familiar with majority-Islamic societies, that they're skeered. Perhaps analogies might help. (Please, folks, don't nit-pick the minutiae.) Italy and Ireland have both been democratic republics for quite some time. But until fairly recently, conservative Catholic principles and mores were fairly well intertwined with their respective bodies of law. They weren't exactly "Catholic states", as is the Vatican, but in some regards, they came pretty close. So what you had were vibrant and more or less free democracies, but tinged with a hint of religiously-based parameters. Worked for them, for quite some time.
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I think thats a pretty good analogy
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QuoteI think thats a pretty good analogy
I think the educated women of Egypt need to start packing their bags and getting the hell out of there.. so as to miss the Islamic Way Back machine that is about to fire up.
Democracy there will be short lived lest we forget where many of the core individuals of Al-Queda came from.
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QuoteYou do know Sukarno was appointed president in 1945 and remained so until 1998. Not exaclty democracy at its finest. Since 1998 things are significantly improviing, other than the fact that Indo was the ahrdest hit country in the Asian financial collapse of the late 90s. Since then the country and govt seem to be doing better, but is the govt really an Islamic govt, or is it a govt of secular laws run by guys who are Muslims?
As for Turkey, I can answer that for you, and you can confirm it on the country's website along with wiki, the cia fact book, and any other source you like.QuoteTurkey is a democratic, secular, unitary, constitutional republic with has an ancient cultural heritage. Turkey is an independent Turkic state which has become increasingly integrated with the West through membership in organizations such as the Council of Europe, NATO, OECD, OSCE and the G-20 major economies.
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Turkey has also fostered close cultural, political, economic and industrial relations with the Middle East, the Turkic states of Central Asia and the African countries through membership in organizations such as the Organisation of the Islamic Conference and the Economic Cooperation Organization. Given its strategic location, large economy and military strength, Turkey is a major regional power.
It is a country of secular laws run by guys who are Muslims and populated by Muslims. That's a far cry from an Islamic state.
meh - not for much longer. The islamofascist thugs are gaining strength every day. There are loud calls to do away with the secularist aspects of the government because they aren't "islamic enough".
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QuoteThe question was is Islam compatible with democracy. No true Theocracy is compatible with democracy regardless of the religion. Islam as you are aware is not a religion that is practiced only on the Sabbath. The aforementioned countries are without an doubt Muslim countries, the fact that they are secular in their government but run by Muslims in a democracy clearly shows that there is no incompatibility between Islam and democracy. Its precisely this kind of model that Muslims across the Islamic world are moving towards with the people power movements we are now seeing. The media isn't broadcasting half of what is currently going on.
I don't know where to begin. islamofascism is on the rise everywhere in the Middle East because the mullahs are hollering every Friday (don't forget that there are practically more mosques than people over here - as many mosques in major cities as there are coffee shops in San Francisco) that the cult o' death is the answer to all of life's problems, most notably the corrupt, autocratic regimes. Well, that and blaming the USA and Israel for everything.
But it's a bullshit siren song of death. One need only look at Iran to see where this is all heading.
I agree with Kennedy - if one is going to simply overthrow a corrupt autocratic/kleptocratic thug, only to replace him with a bunch of corrupt islamofascist thugs (like in Iran) - why bother? Why don't people ever learn?
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QuoteQuoteIt is a country of secular laws run by guys who are Muslims and populated by Muslims. That's a far cry from an Islamic state.
The problem is that Westerners are so un-familiar with majority-Islamic societies, that they're skeered. Perhaps analogies might help. (Please, folks, don't nit-pick the minutiae.) Italy and Ireland have both been democratic republics for quite some time. But until fairly recently, conservative Catholic principles and mores were fairly well intertwined with their respective bodies of law. They weren't exactly "Catholic states", as is the Vatican, but in some regards, they came pretty close. So what you had were vibrant and more or less free democracies, but tinged with a hint of religiously-based parameters. Worked for them, for quite some time.
Yeah sure, and they use swords to behead people in the town square (up in Saudi, they make sure to push the Westerners to the front of the crowd so that they don't miss the spectacle).
If that isn't something to be "skeered" of, I don't know what is.
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QuoteQuoteI think thats a pretty good analogy
I think the educated women of Egypt need to start packing their bags and getting the hell out of there.. so as to miss the Islamic Way Back machine that is about to fire up.
Democracy there will be short lived lest we forget where many of the core individuals of Al-Queda came from.
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QuoteWhy don't people ever learn?
Oh the irony
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Sure, Turkey manages it ok as does the Maldives. So does Indonesia the largest Muslim country in the world which also happens to be a democracy of 238 million people. This nonsense about Islam being incompatible with democracy is total bull.
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