Rep. Ron Paul wins CPAC straw poll

[quade 4]

Quote

Rep. Ron Paul wins CPAC straw poll
By: CNN Political Unit

Washington (CNN) - The results of the Washington Times CPAC straw poll of presidential candidates are in, and the winner is Texas Rep. Ron Paul, with 30 percent of the vote. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney was the runner-up with 23 percent.

There were 3,742 ballots cast in the annual survey, which is a chance for devotees to name their pick for president in 2012. Fifty-six percent of those surveyed said they were generally satisfied with the field of potential candidates and 43 percent said they wished the GOP had a better field of potential candidates.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/12/rep-ron-paul-wins-cpac-straw-poll

Lemme translate that for you.

43 percent didn't think they could win with the candidates currently in the running.

Why is that?

Where is the obvious and reasonable Reaganesque leader from the GOP?

I don't think EVERY Republican is bad, so why isn't there a great one somewhere?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Gravitymaster 0]

I dunno, maybe for the same reason there isn't a great Democrat?

[quade 4]

Quote

I dunno, maybe for the same reason there isn't a great Democrat?

Still in denial that Obama was able to capture the imagination of the voters? Fantastic. Good for you.

But I'm not even talking about nation-wide support, I'm talking about support just within their own party. Right now, the GOP has NOBODY that gets them excited on a Presidential level.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Lefty 0]

Quote

Quote

I dunno, maybe for the same reason there isn't a great Democrat?

Still in denial that Obama was able to capture the imagination of the voters? Fantastic. Good for you.

But I'm not even talking about nation-wide support, I'm talking about support just within their own party. Right now, the GOP has NOBODY that gets them excited on a Presidential level.

It's true there isn't a very viable Republican candidate at the moment, but "capturing the imagination of the voters" with focus group slogans isn't the same thing as being great.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

[Gravitymaster 0]

Quote

Quote

I dunno, maybe for the same reason there isn't a great Democrat?

Still in denial that Obama was able to capture the imagination of the voters? Fantastic. Good for you.

But I'm not even talking about nation-wide support, I'm talking about support just within their own party. Right now, the GOP has NOBODY that gets them excited on a Presidential level.

Obama only projected the aura of being great. The reality has settled in. Have you looked at his favorability ratings lately?

http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_fav.htm

Seems to me you are in denial about his greatness.

[turtlespeed 226]

Quote

Quote

Quote

I dunno, maybe for the same reason there isn't a great Democrat?

Still in denial that Obama was able to capture the imagination of the voters? Fantastic. Good for you.

But I'm not even talking about nation-wide support, I'm talking about support just within their own party. Right now, the GOP has NOBODY that gets them excited on a Presidential level.

Obama only projected the aura of being great. The reality has settled in. Have you looked at his favorability ratings lately?

http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_fav.htm

Seems to me you are in denial about his greatness.

You say denial - I say delusional.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[winsor 236]

Quote

Quote

I dunno, maybe for the same reason there isn't a great Democrat?

Still in denial that Obama was able to capture the imagination of the voters? Fantastic. Good for you.

Quote

Walt Disney was able to capture the imagination of the masses as well. In both cases this is terrific - if you want to live in Fantasyland.

• Quote

Share this post

---

Link to post

Share on other sites

[ryoder 1,590]

Quote

I don't think EVERY Republican is bad, so why isn't there a great one somewhere?

“We don’t vote to elect great persons to office. They’re not that great. We vote to throw the bastards out.”
-- P.J. O'Rourke

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[lawrocket 3]

[Reply]Still in denial that Obama was able to capture the imagination of the voters? Fantastic. Good for you.

[ianmdrennan 2]

I have, they're on the rise again.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Performance Designs Factory Team

[ianmdrennan 2]

Even more interesting is to overlay this with Regan (arguably the most popular Republican president to date).
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

edit: click the portrait of an president in the link above to compare.

Performance Designs Factory Team

[Gravitymaster 0]

Quote

I have, they're on the rise again.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

We are talking about favorability ratings. This more germane to this discussion since it has to do with public perception of a candidate and not how they are doing their job. A President can have job approval ratings through the roof but the public can still view him as less than great.

Just to put it in perspective, here is Bushs' favorability ratings during the last few months of his Presidency. You know when all the lefties hated him so much. Note Bushs' favorabilty was about 6% higher than Obamas is now.

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushFav.htm

I think you would have to agree that having favorability ratings below Bushs' hardly qualifies him as a great Democrat as Quade has insinuated.

[freethefly 6]

Obama only projected the aura of being great. The reality has settled in. Have you looked at his favorability ratings lately?

http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_fav.htm

Seems to me you are in denial about his greatness.

[quade 4]

Quote

I think you would have to agree that having favorability ratings below Bushs' hardly qualifies him as a great Democrat as Quade has insinuated.

I didn't bring up the subject of Obama; YOU did.

Now, I'll grant you that he isn't loved by the majority of Republicans, but there were obviously enough of them that crossed over to get him elected. Additionally, I would wager rather substantially he absolutely has the support of the majority of the Democrats.

Now let's look at the Republican side of things. The best supported individual was Ron Paul at 30% with a whopping 43% wishing there was a stronger candidate.

Why? Because if you're in a race against a faster car, you wish you had one that could beat it. The upshot, 43% of the CPAC straw poll doesn't think they can win with the current crop of candidates.

Where is the Republican candidate that going to win against Obama? Can you name him?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Gravitymaster 0]

Quote

Obama only projected the aura of being great. The reality has settled in. Have you looked at his favorability ratings lately?

http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_fav.htm

Seems to me you are in denial about his greatness.

This poll is more current. 51% approval
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/09/us-usa-poll-idUSTRE7183Q820110209

[Gravitymaster 0]

Quote

Quote

I think you would have to agree that having favorability ratings below Bushs' hardly qualifies him as a great Democrat as Quade has insinuated.

I didn't bring up the subject of Obama; YOU did.

Nope, YOU did. I only said there were no great Democrats.

Quote

Now, I'll grant you that he isn't loved by the majority of Republicans, but there were obviously enough of them that crossed over to get him elected. Additionally, I would wager rather substantially he absolutely has the support of the majority of the Democrats.

Acknowledged. However, that was then, we are talking about now. And now the perception that he is a great President has given way to the reality that he isn't. I'm not saying he's a bad President at this point, just that he's not great as you suggested.

Quote

Now let's look at the Republican side of things. The best supported individual was Ron Paul at 30% with a whopping 43% wishing there was a stronger candidate.

Why? Because if you're in a race against a faster car, you wish you had one that could beat it. The upshot, 43% of the CPAC straw poll doesn't think they can win with the current crop of candidates.

Where is the Republican candidate that going to win against Obama? Can you name him?

Seriously Quade, don't you think you are trying to extract way too much value from a straw poll?

[rhaig 0]

Quote

.

Now, I'll grant you that he isn't loved by the majority of Republicans, but there were obviously enough of them that crossed over to get him elected.

the Dem candidate could have been a scarecrow and he would have won because he wasn't bush.

Let's not count winning after following Bush as one of his big challenges.

--
Rob

[quade 4]

Quote

Seriously Quade, don't you think you are trying to extract way too much value from a straw poll?

If this straw poll is invalid in your eyes, then who should have won it?

Where's the GOP frontrunner?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Gravitymaster 0]

It's a straw poll. Do you understand what that means?

[dmcoco84 5]

Quote

Where is the Republican candidate that going to win against Obama? Can you name him?

Rudy Giuliani!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11

Mr. Giuliani... How are you gonna solve SS?

"Well, on 9/11..."

What a douche! I can't believe he is gonna run.

All I know is... we need someone who isn't a Progressive. Who ever it is will need to do just as Ron and Rand have done. Run as an R... function as a Constitutional Conservative. An Independent will not win... not yet at least.

Chris Christie would beat him, but he's not going to run, nor should he. He can have much more of an impact on the nation as a Governor.

The R's didn't win the senate, I'm glad... Pelosi is out of the chair, and they can't just blame everything on R's. Next election... the R's will have the Senate too.

So, if Obama is president again, so be it.

Cape and Trade is dead... thank God. VAT tax and cap and trade would have destroyed us. We can handle Obamacare for now... hopefully the SC fast tracks it.

It took over 100 years for us to get here... it may take just as long to return to the Republic we were before the Progressive Era. Though, Andrew Jackson was a nightmare too.

The train is slowing... soon it will stop, and then we will turn it around.

Sleeping giants don't fall back asleep..............

[Gravitymaster 0]

What do you think of Haley Barbour? He's probably the most conservative of all of them.

[dmcoco84 5]

Don't know anything about him...

Edit to change: Anything --> Enough.

[quade 4]

Quote

It's a straw poll. Do you understand what that means?

Uh . . . well . . . considering it was the CPAC straw poll . . . yeah.

That's why I'm asking the question, because it's clear that the Conservative Political Action Conference can't throw more than 30% of their support behind ANY of the people currently talking about running.

Here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Political_Action_Conference#Straw_poll

Where's your Reagan of today?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[dmcoco84 5]

Quote

Where's your Reagan of today?

Chris Christie... 2016.

But we need George Washington...

Spelling

[Gravitymaster 0]

Quote

Quote

It's a straw poll. Do you understand what that means?

Uh . . . well . . . considering it was the CPAC straw poll . . . yeah.

That's why I'm asking the question, because it's clear that the Conservative Political Action Conference can't throw more than 30% of their support behind ANY of the people currently talking about running.

Here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Political_Action_Conference#Straw_poll

Where's your Reagan of today?

I get your point. Where's your FDR?