kallend 2,156 #26 February 11, 2011 QuoteActually regardless of what Dave thinks the UK is actually working pretty well and is multicultural. I'd like to see a stronger British identity but there is no such thing, never has been. At best there is a Scottish, Welsh, Irish culture and the English have always been a blend of cultures, Danes, Viking, Saxon, Roman, Norman to name but a few. Even Queen Elizabeth is German, and her husband is Greek. Hasn't been an "English" monarch since Harold in 1066. Oh, wait, he was a Saxon.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,156 #27 February 11, 2011 Quote So when 3 leaders of powerful countries in Europe state that it doesn't work we should just ignore them...check. Did we agree when Mussolini, Hitler and Franco told us that Fascism was the way to go?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #28 February 11, 2011 Quote Quote So when 3 leaders of powerful countries in Europe state that it doesn't work we should just ignore them...check. Did we agree when Mussolini, Hitler and Franco told us that Fascism was the way to go? We certainly didn't ignore them Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,156 #29 February 11, 2011 Quote Quote Quote So when 3 leaders of powerful countries in Europe state that it doesn't work we should just ignore them...check. Did we agree when Mussolini, Hitler and Franco told us that Fascism was the way to go? We certainly didn't ignore them Right, we disagreed with them, like we should disagree with Nicolas Sarkozy, David Cameron and Angela Merkel.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #30 February 11, 2011 Quote Did we agree when...Hitler It was only a matter of time. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #31 February 11, 2011 QuoteUnless you're implying there is no India or Vietnam today I think your argument fails. Those 2 countries are a fine example of what happens when you don't allow another culture to overtake your own. Eh, you (probably) missed my point on those two. My point was, the colonial Brits and French (more so the Brits) were often imperiously contemptuous, or at least arrogant, toward the cultures of indigenous peoples they "administered" (and that's not even getting into the whole English/Irish thing...); so in light of that, they're hardly in a position to have any sympathy from me when they drip their crocodile tears about the "failure of multiculturalism." They'd be better off if they'd just STFU and eat a few slices of humble pie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #32 February 12, 2011 Quote So what's your solution? Culture police? Oh, so you have been to Quebec. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #33 February 12, 2011 Quote Even Queen Elizabeth is German, and her husband is Greek. Hasn't been an "English" monarch since Harold in 1066. Oh, wait, he was a Saxon. I thought he defeated the Saxons. He was a Norman of Frankish descent. Who exactly are the "English?" Are they the Britons? According to Churchill's "History of the English speaking Peoples," they were 90% eliminated by the Saxons. Probably the remnants were intermingled with the other Celts in the Welsh mountains. Are they the Romans? Are they the Anglo-Saxons? Bloody German interlopers. Perhaps the Danes, the Vikings, the Normans or even the Huguenots that followed are the true English. As long as you don't include those damn Pikeys they all have a claim. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,156 #34 February 12, 2011 QuoteQuote Even Queen Elizabeth is German, and her husband is Greek. Hasn't been an "English" monarch since Harold in 1066. Oh, wait, he was a Saxon. I thought he defeated the Saxons. He was a Norman of Frankish descent. Harold was the last Anglo-Saxon king. He was defeated at the Battle of Hastings by WILLIAM of Normandy.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #35 February 12, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote Even Queen Elizabeth is German, and her husband is Greek. Hasn't been an "English" monarch since Harold in 1066. Oh, wait, he was a Saxon. I thought he defeated the Saxons. He was a Norman of Frankish descent. Harold was the last Anglo-Saxon king. He was defeated at the Battle of Hastings by WILLIAM of Normandy. Small wonder. Who ever heard of a tough guy named "Harold"? http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl1/1/13839/27_2008/harold.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #36 February 12, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Even Queen Elizabeth is German, and her husband is Greek. Hasn't been an "English" monarch since Harold in 1066. Oh, wait, he was a Saxon. I thought he defeated the Saxons. He was a Norman of Frankish descent. Harold was the last Anglo-Saxon king. He was defeated at the Battle of Hastings by WILLIAM of Normandy. Duh! I saw 1066 and didn't read the name. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #37 February 12, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Even Queen Elizabeth is German, and her husband is Greek. Hasn't been an "English" monarch since Harold in 1066. Oh, wait, he was a Saxon. I thought he defeated the Saxons. He was a Norman of Frankish descent. Harold was the last Anglo-Saxon king. He was defeated at the Battle of Hastings by WILLIAM of Normandy. Small wonder. Who ever heard of a tough guy named "Harold"? http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl1/1/13839/27_2008/harold.jpg Kumar, of course.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #38 February 12, 2011 Quote Quote Actually regardless of what Dave thinks the UK is actually working pretty well and is multicultural. I'd like to see a stronger British identity but there is no such thing, never has been. At best there is a Scottish, Welsh, Irish culture and the English have always been a blend of cultures, Danes, Viking, Saxon, Roman, Norman to name but a few. Man, if you could only get rid of those pesky Irish . . . things would be SO Much better. Like y'all sorted your In'jun problem you mean.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #39 February 12, 2011 QuoteQuoteUnless you're implying there is no India or Vietnam today I think your argument fails. Those 2 countries are a fine example of what happens when you don't allow another culture to overtake your own. Eh, you (probably) missed my point on those two. My point was, the colonial Brits and French (more so the Brits) were often imperiously contemptuous, or at least arrogant, toward the cultures of indigenous peoples they "administered" (and that's not even getting into the whole English/Irish thing...); so in light of that, they're hardly in a position to have any sympathy from me when they drip their crocodile tears about the "failure of multiculturalism." They'd be better off if they'd just STFU and eat a few slices of humble pie. Nonsense, democracy and humanitarianism have always been trademarks of the British Army. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLJ8ILIE780When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #40 February 12, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Actually regardless of what Dave thinks the UK is actually working pretty well and is multicultural. I'd like to see a stronger British identity but there is no such thing, never has been. At best there is a Scottish, Welsh, Irish culture and the English have always been a blend of cultures, Danes, Viking, Saxon, Roman, Norman to name but a few. Man, if you could only get rid of those pesky Irish . . . things would be SO Much better. Like y'all sorted your In'jun problem you mean. No - More like the Mayans . . . we made that look like an accidentI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #41 February 14, 2011 Yep, multiculturalism is bad. We need more collectivism. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites