popsjumper 2 #1 February 10, 2011 See, now this is one reason why this country is skidding down the slope into insanity: Georgia legislature shoots down a bill to have all driving tests done in English. All road signs are in English. Currently it's offered in 14 different languages. Shot down...why? The reason given: Passing the bill will make the state have a bad image. We need to look good while drivers who can't read the signs try to kill us.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #2 February 10, 2011 All the signs are covered in Cudzu so what does it matter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #3 February 10, 2011 QuoteThe reason given: Passing the bill will make the state have a bad image. It's a sign of the politically-correct times. We'd rather be killed than to be called racist. Same thing happens with terrorism legislation. We can't profile muslim terrorists because we'd be called racist, and we have to strip search grandma's to appear to be fair. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #4 February 10, 2011 Does the test translate the traffic signs into foreign language, too? Or is it just the rules-of-the-road questions, while the basic traffic signs are still presented in English? I agree that, as a matter of safety, all licensed drivers should be able to read basic traffic signs printed in English. But I don't think there's anything unsafe about allowing an applicant to read and answer, say, "Which car has the right of way at this stop-sign intersection?" in a foreign language. BTW, in, for example, Europe, where multiple languages abound, an awful lot of traffic signs are in internationally-standardized, language-neutral symbols. Works for them. There's a reason for that, and it's not simply because they're cheese-eating surrender monkeys. I know it's blasphemous for an American to say this, but maybe we can take a lesson from examples beyond our own shores. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #5 February 10, 2011 QuoteDoes the test translate the traffic signs into foreign language, too? Or is it just the rules-of-the-road questions, while the basic traffic signs are still presented in English? I agree that, as a matter of safety, all licensed drivers should be able to read basic traffic signs printed in English. But I don't think there's anything unsafe about allowing an applicant to read and answer, say, "Which car has the right of way at this stop-sign intersection?" in a foreign language. BTW, in, for example, Europe, where multiple languages abound, an awful lot of traffic signs are in internationally-standardized, language-neutral symbols. Works for them. There's a reason for that, and it's not simply because they're cheese-eating surrender monkeys. I know it's blasphemous for an American to say this, but maybe we can take a lesson from examples beyond our own shores. Most US traffic signs are in the "Internationally standardized, language neutral" format. They just have english words on them for the people who don't understand the symbols (Yield, Stop, Pedestrian Crossing, ect). It's a little odd to go to Quebec and see the exact same Yield sign, without the word "Yield" on it. But I know what it means. And I agree that as long as the applicant can properly identify the signs, the language the test is written in shouldn't matter."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #6 February 10, 2011 The band's playing...Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #7 February 10, 2011 QuoteThe Band's playing... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMHyovwX7JM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #8 February 10, 2011 I've driven in many countries where I didn't understand what was written on the signs. That's usually why signs are made with commonly understood colors and shapes, like red for STOP. I'm not sure if you actually have a concern for safety or just are angry about immigration. Either way America was built on being a melting pot of many cultures. Many people come here with poor english skills and pick it up very quickly; some don't, but hey, this is America and thats their right. Take it or leave it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #9 February 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe reason given: Passing the bill will make the state have a bad image. It's a sign of the times. We'd rather be killed than to be called racist. Same thing happens with terrorism legislation. We can't profile muslim terrorists because we'd be called racist, and we have to strip search grandma's to appear to be fair. You having your panties in a bunch about this, especially your frustration that we "can't profile muslim terrorists", is a much more disheartening sign of the times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #10 February 10, 2011 QuoteDoes the test translate the traffic signs into foreign language, too? Or is it just the rules-of-the-road questions, while the basic traffic signs are still presented in English? I agree that, as a matter of safety, all licensed drivers should be able to read basic traffic signs printed in English. But I don't think there's anything unsafe about allowing an applicant to read and answer, say, "Which car has the right of way at this stop-sign intersection?" in a foreign language. BTW, in, for example, Europe, where multiple languages abound, an awful lot of traffic signs are in internationally-standardized, language-neutral symbols. Works for them. There's a reason for that, and it's not simply because they're cheese-eating surrender monkeys. I know it's blasphemous for an American to say this, but maybe we can take a lesson from examples beyond our own shores. Go to spain and see if they have bi lingual traffic signs.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #11 February 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe reason given: Passing the bill will make the state have a bad image. It's a sign of the times. We'd rather be killed than to be called racist. Same thing happens with terrorism legislation. We can't profile muslim terrorists because we'd be called racist, and we have to strip search grandma's to appear to be fair. You having your panties in a bunch about this, especially your frustration that we "can't profile muslim terrorists", is a much more disheartening sign of the times. Some things make sense - somethings don't - It all depends on the situation you are in when the shit hits.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #12 February 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteDoes the test translate the traffic signs into foreign language, too? Or is it just the rules-of-the-road questions, while the basic traffic signs are still presented in English? I agree that, as a matter of safety, all licensed drivers should be able to read basic traffic signs printed in English. But I don't think there's anything unsafe about allowing an applicant to read and answer, say, "Which car has the right of way at this stop-sign intersection?" in a foreign language. BTW, in, for example, Europe, where multiple languages abound, an awful lot of traffic signs are in internationally-standardized, language-neutral symbols. Works for them. There's a reason for that, and it's not simply because they're cheese-eating surrender monkeys. I know it's blasphemous for an American to say this, but maybe we can take a lesson from examples beyond our own shores. Go to spain and see if they have bi lingual traffic signs. Reread the first sentence of the 2nd paragraph. "All licensed drivers should be able to read basic traffic signs..." I've never been to Spain, but in Mexico, they have red, otagonal signs that say "Alto" on them. They look just like a US Stop sign, execpt the word "Stop" is different. In Quebec, Canada, the sign is, again, identical in shape and color, it just says "Arrete" on it. Even wothout understanding the exact meaning of the word, I don't have any trouble understanding the sign."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #13 February 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteDoes the test translate the traffic signs into foreign language, too? Or is it just the rules-of-the-road questions, while the basic traffic signs are still presented in English? I agree that, as a matter of safety, all licensed drivers should be able to read basic traffic signs printed in English. But I don't think there's anything unsafe about allowing an applicant to read and answer, say, "Which car has the right of way at this stop-sign intersection?" in a foreign language. BTW, in, for example, Europe, where multiple languages abound, an awful lot of traffic signs are in internationally-standardized, language-neutral symbols. Works for them. There's a reason for that, and it's not simply because they're cheese-eating surrender monkeys. I know it's blasphemous for an American to say this, but maybe we can take a lesson from examples beyond our own shores. Go to spain and see if they have bi lingual traffic signs. Go to my post and see where I proposed "bi-lingual traffic signs". If you're trying spin my post to mean other than its plain language, you'll just make yourself look silly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #14 February 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteDoes the test translate the traffic signs into foreign language, too? Or is it just the rules-of-the-road questions, while the basic traffic signs are still presented in English? I agree that, as a matter of safety, all licensed drivers should be able to read basic traffic signs printed in English. But I don't think there's anything unsafe about allowing an applicant to read and answer, say, "Which car has the right of way at this stop-sign intersection?" in a foreign language. BTW, in, for example, Europe, where multiple languages abound, an awful lot of traffic signs are in internationally-standardized, language-neutral symbols. Works for them. There's a reason for that, and it's not simply because they're cheese-eating surrender monkeys. I know it's blasphemous for an American to say this, but maybe we can take a lesson from examples beyond our own shores. Go to spain and see if they have bi lingual traffic signs. Go to my post and see where I proposed "bi-lingual traffic signs". If you're trying spin my post to mean other than its plain language, you'll just make yourself look silly. It is aimed at showing how tolerant other countries are. I agree with them. If you are going to drive in France - learn how to speak French so that you can understand what they are saying as they cuss you out for being an idiot driver. If you are going to be driving in Spain, learn Castillian Spanish so that when you get lost, you can not only understand the directions given, but read the road signs as you go. That is no different than driving here.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #15 February 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDoes the test translate the traffic signs into foreign language, too? Or is it just the rules-of-the-road questions, while the basic traffic signs are still presented in English? I agree that, as a matter of safety, all licensed drivers should be able to read basic traffic signs printed in English. But I don't think there's anything unsafe about allowing an applicant to read and answer, say, "Which car has the right of way at this stop-sign intersection?" in a foreign language. BTW, in, for example, Europe, where multiple languages abound, an awful lot of traffic signs are in internationally-standardized, language-neutral symbols. Works for them. There's a reason for that, and it's not simply because they're cheese-eating surrender monkeys. I know it's blasphemous for an American to say this, but maybe we can take a lesson from examples beyond our own shores. Go to spain and see if they have bi lingual traffic signs. Go to my post and see where I proposed "bi-lingual traffic signs". If you're trying spin my post to mean other than its plain language, you'll just make yourself look silly. It is aimed at showing how tolerant other countries are. I agree with them. If you are going to drive in France - learn how to speak French so that you can understand what they are saying as they cuss you out for being an idiot driver. If you are going to be driving in Spain, learn Castillian Spanish so that when you get lost, you can not only understand the directions given, but read the road signs as you go. That is no different than driving here. Now you're really blowing it out your ass. You don't have to speak or read a country's native language to understand and comply with basic rules of the road. People drive all over Europe all the time without necessarily learning the language of the country they happen to be traveling in/through that day. Do yourself a favor and quit while you're only a little behind. (Edited because I mis-spelled "road" as "toad." Just one key over on the board. I guess looking at your avatar I was thinking of amphibians.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #16 February 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDoes the test translate the traffic signs into foreign language, too? Or is it just the rules-of-the-road questions, while the basic traffic signs are still presented in English? I agree that, as a matter of safety, all licensed drivers should be able to read basic traffic signs printed in English. But I don't think there's anything unsafe about allowing an applicant to read and answer, say, "Which car has the right of way at this stop-sign intersection?" in a foreign language. BTW, in, for example, Europe, where multiple languages abound, an awful lot of traffic signs are in internationally-standardized, language-neutral symbols. Works for them. There's a reason for that, and it's not simply because they're cheese-eating surrender monkeys. I know it's blasphemous for an American to say this, but maybe we can take a lesson from examples beyond our own shores. Go to spain and see if they have bi lingual traffic signs. Go to my post and see where I proposed "bi-lingual traffic signs". If you're trying spin my post to mean other than its plain language, you'll just make yourself look silly. It is aimed at showing how tolerant other countries are. I agree with them. If you are going to drive in France - learn how to speak French so that you can understand what they are saying as they cuss you out for being an idiot driver. If you are going to be driving in Spain, learn Castillian Spanish so that when you get lost, you can not only understand the directions given, but read the road signs as you go. That is no different than driving here. Now you're really blowing it out your ass. You don't have to speak or read a country's native language to understand and comply with basic rules of the road. People drive all over Europe all the time without necessarily learning the language of the country they happen to be traveling in/through that day. Do yourself a favor and quit while you're only a little behind. (Edited because I mis-spelled "road" as "toad." Just one key over on the board. I guess looking at your avatar I was thinking of amphibians.) I never said you HAD to - I just don't think that they should have to print signs in another language to accomodate. What are you yielding to here? How about this one? I can only recognize one of these Is this a warning or a yield?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #17 February 10, 2011 QuoteI just don't think that they should have to print signs in another language to accomodate. Nobody fucking suggested anyone had to. I'm done with this silliness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #18 February 10, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Does the test translate the traffic signs into foreign language, too? Or is it just the rules-of-the-road questions, while the basic traffic signs are still presented in English? I agree that, as a matter of safety, all licensed drivers should be able to read basic traffic signs printed in English. But I don't think there's anything unsafe about allowing an applicant to read and answer, say, "Which car has the right of way at this stop-sign intersection?" in a foreign language. BTW, in, for example, Europe, where multiple languages abound, an awful lot of traffic signs are in internationally-standardized, language-neutral symbols. Works for them. There's a reason for that, and it's not simply because they're cheese-eating surrender monkeys. I know it's blasphemous for an American to say this, but maybe we can take a lesson from examples beyond our own shores. Go to spain and see if they have bi lingual traffic signs. Go to my post and see where I proposed "bi-lingual traffic signs". If you're trying spin my post to mean other than its plain language, you'll just make yourself look silly. It is aimed at showing how tolerant other countries are. I agree with them. If you are going to drive in France - learn how to speak French so that you can understand what they are saying as they cuss you out for being an idiot driver. If you are going to be driving in Spain, learn Castillian Spanish so that when you get lost, you can not only understand the directions given, but read the road signs as you go. That is no different than driving here. Now you're really blowing it out your ass. You don't have to speak or read a country's native language to understand and comply with basic rules of the road. People drive all over Europe all the time without necessarily learning the language of the country they happen to be traveling in/through that day. Do yourself a favor and quit while you're only a little behind. (Edited because I mis-spelled "road" as "toad." Just one key over on the board. I guess looking at your avatar I was thinking of amphibians.) I never said you HAD to - I just don't think that they should have to print signs in another language to accomodate. What are you yielding to here? How about this one? I can only recognize one of these Is this a warning or a yield? Sorry all those signs confuse you. If some day you ever leave your beloved country, I'm sure you'll find its not that intimidating. But imagine you were living in one of those countries (god forbid), wouldn't it make sense if they had a driving test in English that would explain it to you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #19 February 10, 2011 Quote Sorry all those signs confuse you. If some day you ever leave your beloved country, I'm sure you'll find its not that intimidating. But imagine you were living in one of those countries (god forbid), wouldn't it make sense if they had a driving test in English that would explain it to you 1st of all - i notice that you didn't answer the questions about what they all said - and could you do that at 88 KM/hr going down a 2 lane street? And no, ABsolutely NOT would I expect to be given a driving test in English if I were in France, or Italy, or wherever - That is thier country, thier culture, either I adapt or I don't get the priveledge to drive. It really is time for people to stop wanting everything catered to them, and just do the right thing.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #20 February 10, 2011 QuoteYou having your panties in a bunch about this, especially your frustration that we "can't profile muslim terrorists", is a much more disheartening sign of the times. Maybe we should also disallow the police to pull over drivers who are swerving back and forth on the road, since we wouldn't want to use a behavior profile to try and catch drunk drivers. Yes, that's it, we should just let them drive drunk and do nothing about it. Because profiling drunk drivers is a much more disheartening sign of the times, then the tens of thousands of people they kill and maim each y ear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #21 February 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou having your panties in a bunch about this, especially your frustration that we "can't profile muslim terrorists", is a much more disheartening sign of the times. Maybe we should also disallow the police to pull over drivers who are swerving back and forth on the road, since we wouldn't want to use a behavior profile to try and catch drunk drivers. Yes, that's it, we should just let them drive drunk and do nothing about it. Because profiling drunk drivers is a much more disheartening sign of the times, then the tens of thousands of people they kill and maim each y ear. Bad analogies are just that - bad. Sometimes the best way to analyze a subject is to stick to the subject. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #22 February 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou having your panties in a bunch about this, especially your frustration that we "can't profile muslim terrorists", is a much more disheartening sign of the times. Maybe we should also disallow the police to pull over drivers who are swerving back and forth on the road, since we wouldn't want to use a behavior profile to try and catch drunk drivers. Yes, that's it, we should just let them drive drunk and do nothing about it. Because profiling drunk drivers is a much more disheartening sign of the times, then the tens of thousands of people they kill and maim each y ear. Bad analogies are just that - bad. Sometimes the best way to analyze a subject is to stick to the subject. Funny how a bad analogy is only bad if you don't agree with it or if it doesn't fit in favor of an argument.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #23 February 10, 2011 QuoteFunny how a bad analogy is only bad if you don't agree with it or if it doesn't fit in favor of an argument. hee hee hee.,,,, that is funny ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,109 #24 February 10, 2011 >Maybe we should also disallow the police to pull over drivers who >are swerving back and forth on the road . . . Yeah. And we should ban forks, too! Forks can kill people, you know. And banning forks is exactly like racial profiling, which is also the same as letting drunks drive without fear of being pulled over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #25 February 10, 2011 Quote >Maybe we should also disallow the police to pull over drivers who >are swerving back and forth on the road . . . Yeah. And we should ban forks, too! Forks can kill people, you know. And banning forks is exactly like racial profiling, which is also the same as letting drunks drive without fear of being pulled over. and matches!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
