Wikileaks nomination for Nobel....

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You just don't know when to stop digging do you? You have certainly verified something. You have verified that you deny the existence of anything you have not seen, heard or read.
Did it ever occur to you that a lot of information the military recieves is never made public? Or what that information is used for and the results?
But at least you aren't alone. Seems you are not the only one who holds that belief.

Mind reading again?
Don't give up your day job.
*whoosh*

Nope, you are.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Looks like Assange is in the process of receiving an all expense paid trip to Sweden! Lends to belief the legal case does in fact have some merit.
Assange extradition
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wikileaks is dying
It appears they cannot crack the encryption of the "bomb" file.

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Looks like Assange is in the process of receiving an all expense paid trip to Sweden! Lends to belief the legal case does in fact have some merit.
Assange extradition
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wikileaks is dying
It appears they cannot crack the encryption of the "bomb" file.

bah, the case against Assange in Sweden has nothing at all to do with wikileaks, except perhaps that it is due to political pressure from the U.S. Merit to it? No idea.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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I bet he stays where he is at for a long time yet. Just because a judge ruled that an extradition can happen, does not mean that it happens tomorrow, - there are appeals at many levels.

We cannot even get a freakin' Mexican illegal out of our own country without an extended due process.

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Could be as appeals do take some real time.
I'm curious if the EU legal agreement might speed that up though.

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Looks like Assange is in the process of receiving an all expense paid trip to Sweden! Lends to belief the legal case does in fact have some merit.

unfortunately, that article didn't address the primary issue raised by the defense - that he hasn't even been charged with a crime, and cannot be extradited merely for questioning.

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Apparently the court disagree.

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So...whose side do you stand with? Your country? Or the POS who leaked thousands of your countries confidential comminucations wih other countries?

I haven't read much else of this thread after this comment (sorry for whack-a-moling), but I really need to comment on this.

There is a distinct difference between standing for your country and supporting the actions of its leaders. It is not only our right, but our duty to challenge and question those who make the decisions in our nation. They represent the people, and are subject to their will. If their actions are not transparent, how can we know that they are fulfilling their duties?

Maybe transparency wouldn't be such an issue if we could trust our leaders. Clearly, though, we cannot.

It doesn't take much to turn shadiness into corruption. And when the US turns into one of a few "hot-right-now" African nations, you'll be on the side supporting the tyrant.

Come, my friends! 'Tis not too late to seek out a newer world!

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Apparently the court disagree.

yes...the UK (friend of US) court.

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So...whose side do you stand with? Your country? Or the POS who leaked thousands of your countries confidential comminucations wih other countries?

I haven't read much else of this thread after this comment (sorry for whack-a-moling), but I really need to comment on this.

There is a distinct difference between standing for your country and supporting the actions of its leaders. It is not only our right, but our duty to challenge and question those who make the decisions in our nation. They represent the people, and are subject to their will. If their actions are not transparent, how can we know that they are fulfilling their duties?

Maybe transparency wouldn't be such an issue if we could trust our leaders. Clearly, though, we cannot.

It doesn't take much to turn shadiness into corruption. And when the US turns into one of a few "hot-right-now" African nations, you'll be on the side supporting the tyrant.

I agree.
But there is also a need...a very real need....for the government to be able to keep certain communications and subject matter secret. Total transparency is not much better than no transparency. Either one can destroy a nation.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Where does this need you speak of come into play? I'm asking out of pure curiosity and a desire to understand; I'm not implying that there is no need.

Come, my friends! 'Tis not too late to seek out a newer world!

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I think there needs to be some oversight. In theory, Congress has oversight over the Executive Branch through the Intelligence Committee and other channels. In reality, Congress seems to let the Executive do whatever it wants.

There is no question that the Executive has abused its secrecy privileges in the past. There was a famous case about some government contractors who were killed in a plane crash in the 40s). The families tried to find out what happened, and the government claimed the accident report was secret. It went to court and the Supreme Court accepted the government's claim of privilege. Fifty years later, the records were declassified, and it turns out there was nothing secret about the accident report at all. The flight was conducted against safety standards, and the Air Force didn't want to get sued. US v. Reynolds, link to NPR story below.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4838701

If this sort of think has been done to avoid paying out death settlements, think what else has been covered up by claiming state secrets?

- Dan G

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Where does this need you speak of come into play? I'm asking out of pure curiosity and a desire to understand; I'm not implying that there is no need.

Communications to and from intelligence agents is one example.
Legal & ethical negotiations with foreign countries that may cause strain in relations with other countries is another.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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For something. We don't know what that crime actually is, or how it applies to a foreign citizen, but we definitely want our [kangaroo] court to judge him! Just so long as he suffers.

Find where I asked for a kangaroo court.

I am a firm believer in you need to man up and face the consequences of your actions.

No consequences, no problem.

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Oh yes, regardless of how ridiculous it might be YOU have the right to waste my tax dollars - i forgot.....

Just as much as you think you think you have the right to spend my tax dollars on your issues.

I find it funny that you applaud Assange for "openness", yet support the BC being kept secret. Your hypocrisy is amazing.

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Yes, she has a right to run - but it is a sad commentary on the US populace that she receives any credence

It is a sad commentary that a guy that never ran anything managed to become President. It is a sad commentary that a guy that has associations with anti-American people (rev Wright "God DAMN America", "America got what it deserved on Sept 11th"; William Ayers, "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough." ) was voted to be come president.

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Thank you, and I agree.

Do you think the 13 colonies had the right to fight against England?

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Thank you, and I agree.

Do you think the 13 colonies had the right to fight against England?

Of course.

They were going against all established precedent though, but knowing WHERE they got their ideas... and how they incorporated those ideas into our documents we hold dear.

It was a further step away from royalty and their desire to be special human beings given that special status from GOD.

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Just as much as you think you think you have the right to spend my tax dollars on your issues.

what tax dollars am i spending on your issues? I am advocating spending NOTHING to go after assange

or the President's BC for that matter -

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I find it funny that you applaud Assange for "openness", yet support the BC being kept secret. Your hypocrisy is amazing.

The BC is not a secret is it? It has been produced.....over and over and over again. yet the nay-sayers continue to demand something else.....spending my tax dollars answering to them.....

'associations with anti-american people' - wow that took tremendous insight and courage to say. You must be blind......look at the relationships every president for the past 50 years has had with terrorists and genocidal maniacs around the world.

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I think there needs to be some oversight. In theory, Congress has oversight over the Executive Branch through the Intelligence Committee and other channels. In reality, Congress seems to let the Executive do whatever it wants.
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If this sort of think has been done to avoid paying out death settlements, think what else has been covered up by claiming state secrets?

I get the feeling that you are not going to get many rebuttals here.
Good stuff.

My only problem is finding someone trustworthy enough to BE that oversight of the hen house.
They're ALL foxes.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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what tax dollars am i spending on your issues? I am advocating spending NOTHING to go after assange

You want HC for everyone and see no problem with me paying for things you want.

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'associations with anti-american people' - wow that took tremendous insight and courage to say. You must be blind......look at the relationships every president for the past 50 years has had with terrorists and genocidal maniacs around the world.

Your guy said he spent 20 years going to a church but never head a negative thing said. Your guy was pals with a guy that not only admitted to bombing, but claims he wish he had done more.

Strange people you idolize.

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So you believe that Obama went to church for 20 years just cause he said so, but you don't believe him when he says he has a US birth certificate. pretty convenient.

I do not actually believe he went to church at all. I think he only said that to try and appease weak people who believe that you have to be a Christian to be President.

And I do not care if he went to church or not or what his pastor said. It is no reflection on him whatsoever.

i am in a discussion with you, and you are obviously deranged, but that actually has no reflection on my character at all.

But if you want to take it to the extreme, you are currently associating with a left-wing democratic socialist Commie Canadian who thinks that HC for all is a good idea....touche

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I think there needs to be some oversight. In theory, Congress has oversight over the Executive Branch through the Intelligence Committee and other channels. In reality, Congress seems to let the Executive do whatever it wants.
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If this sort of think has been done to avoid paying out death settlements, think what else has been covered up by claiming state secrets?

I get the feeling that you are not going to get many rebuttals here.
Good stuff.

My only problem is finding someone trustworthy enough to BE that oversight of the hen house.
They're ALL foxes.

Perhaps it should be the people. In fact, I think that's the (general) idea of WL.

Come, my friends! 'Tis not too late to seek out a newer world!

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So you believe that Obama went to church for 20 years just cause he said so

Why would I doubt something as trivial as that?

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but you don't believe him when he says he has a US birth certificate.

Never said *I* doubted him. I said YOU support keeping it secret, yet applaud wikileaks and how hypocritical that was.

I DO however do not see an issue with the birthers asking to see Obama's BC. I *personally* think the democratic party would be smart enough to check that out before they ran him up a flag pole.

But the difference is I support the right for people to ask, you do not.

Would you be OK if some guy stole the BC to post it on line? Would you rally behind HIM as a hero as well?

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I do not actually believe he went to church at all. I think he only said that to try and appease weak people who believe that you have to be a Christian to be President.

So you think he lied and are fine with it?

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i am in a discussion with you, and you are obviously deranged

Nice PA.... That the best you can do when you run out of intellect?

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But if you want to take it to the extreme, you are currently associating with a left-wing democratic socialist Commie Canadian who thinks that HC for all is a good idea.

Yes, but I am not agreeing with you and you are not supporting me... touche

And you CLEARLY do not agree with HC for all.... Or you would provide it to your office employees. You know that 140,000 you had stolen under your watch would easily cover HC for your office staff.

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Why would I doubt something as trivial as that?

trivial? You took that notion and then linked it to bombing....

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And you CLEARLY do not agree with HC for all.... Or you would provide it to your office employees. You know that 140,000 you had stolen under your watch would easily cover HC for your office staff.

i do advocate HC for all, but not under the current system which would require us to pay some $10000/month in insurance costs to achieve what could be had for 40% of that amount in income tax for everyone. Medicare for all!

Nice try (again) but the thread is actually about Assange and his Nobel nomination. If you care to discuss HC, there are dozens of threads about it already where i have clearly stated my position and the reasoning behind it.

Assange is my hero - I think i'll donate another $50 to his defense...!

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So you think he lied and are fine with it?

Yes I am fine with it. A lot of people lie about their Christian faith just to fit in or score points with their peers, and in this case the electorate.

I really doubt that Obama believes in any God. Actually I am so cynical about it, I do not believe that MOST Christians believe in God. It is so engrained, they cannot seem to escape it.