popsjumper 2 #126 February 8, 2011 QuoteIf anyone is interested, this is the skeleton argument against the extradition of Assange published by his lawyers this morning. I was particularly struck by this: QuoteMs. A, (one of the "accusers") moreover, as the Swedish Prosecutor is no doubt aware, maintained a blog in which, 6 months prior to the allegations in this case, she set out her “7 steps for legal revenge”4 – a seven-stage plan for taking systematic revenge against an ex-lover (she has since deleted the last 6 steps from her blog). Here are the 7 steps: Quote 4 “7 Steps to Legal Revenge Step 1: Consider very carefully if you really must take revenge. It is almost always better to forgive than to avenge . . . Step 2: Think about why you want revenge. You need to be clear about who to take revenge on, as well as why. Revenge is never directed against only one person, but also the actions of the person. Step 3: The principle of proportionality. Remember that revenge will not only match the deed in size but also in nature. A good revenge is linked to what has been done against you. For example if you want revenge on someone who cheated or who dumped you, you should use a punishment with dating/sex/fidelity involved. Step 4: Do a brainstorm of appropriate measures for the category of revenge you’re after. To continue the example above, you can sabotage your victim’s current relationship, such as getting his new partner to be unfaithful or ensure that he gets a madman after him. Use your imagination! Step 5: Figure out how you can systematically take revenge. Send your victim a series of letters and photographs that make your victim’s new partner believe that you are still together which is better than to tell just one big lie on one single occasion. Step 6: Rank your systematic revenge schemes from low to high in terms of likely success, required input from you, and degree of satisfaction when you succeed. The ideal, of course, is a revenge as strong as possible but this requires a lot of hard work and effort for it to turn out exactly as you want it to. Step 7: Get to work. And remember what your goals are while you are operating, ensure that your victim will suffer the same way as he made you suffer.” My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #127 February 8, 2011 I'll take the NY Times over AOL news any day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #128 February 8, 2011 Well, I don't know about AOL vs NYTimes but I did notice the date of publication of our respective articles...in that frame, you got the out. Pops goes to bat with one out and nobody on base in the ninth... Did you read the Provisional Skeleton reference posted?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #129 February 8, 2011 Hey is the US government was coming after you, I expect you would be willing to accept donations for your legal fees. I sent Julian some of my money. He can have it - he's a fucking hero in my books and I will do what I can to support any legal battles he is into. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #130 February 8, 2011 Quote Hey is the US government was coming after you, I expect you would be willing to accept donations for your legal fees. I sent Julian some of my money. He can have it - he's a fucking hero in my books and I will do what I can to support any legal battles he is into. Thank you for sending money to a political terrorist who is actively trying to damage our country's international relations. I could post hear what that makes you but I would quickly be given a time out.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #131 February 8, 2011 I'll save you the trouble, I'm a commie pinko left wing liberal ex-Canadian fucking traitor socialist who deserves a mallet to the head whatever...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #132 February 8, 2011 Don't worry, apparently the Russians are mad at him, too. Does that make him good? Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #133 February 8, 2011 Since you are such a firm believer in being open, why don't you practice what you preach and post all of your personal information here in this thread? Full name, DOB, city of birth, mother's maiden name, SS#, etc.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #134 February 9, 2011 bravo, yet another useless point.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #135 February 9, 2011 Quote bravo, yet another useless point.... Useless point?? Holy shit, dude, you really don't have a clue, do you? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #136 February 9, 2011 Sex by surprise? Sounds like a prisoner went to sleep face down and...SURPRISE!I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #137 February 9, 2011 QuoteI can't understand why any good American wouldn't support him, he exposes crimes of murder and mayhem committed and covered up by the US Government. Should we overlook these crimes? No! and the people responsible for them should be criminally prosecuted. I've made two direct requests for information on this point. I have not seen a response. I have to believe there was no evidence of crimes by the US Government or a cover-up. I also have to dismiss anything this person claims as a fact in the future unless evidence is provided.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #138 February 9, 2011 I learned pretty much all I need to know about Assange when I read his Q&A session back around late November early December last year. He panders to his fans and responds to ernest questions about diplomatic damage with "tldr;" He's a "useful idiot" like so any before him and very much unworthy of donations, sympathy, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #139 February 9, 2011 Quote Quote bravo, yet another useless point.... Useless point?? Holy shit, dude, you really don't have a clue, do you? mr Pot meet mr kettleThis is fucking hilarious (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #140 February 9, 2011 Quote Quote Quote bravo, yet another useless point.... Useless point?? Holy shit, dude, you really don't have a clue, do you? mr Pot meet mr kettleThis is fucking hilarious So you also think there should be no secrets? Good! Post your personal information right here for all the world to see. What's the matter? Chicken? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #141 February 9, 2011 this issue is not whether to not we post OUR personal information in case you lost the point of the thread. The thread is about open government and the benefits of it. jeeezzz. Constitutionally - you appear to not be too up on the issue Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #142 February 9, 2011 and its your right to say that and even think that. I see him as a champion of people who want open and transparent government. A lot of the greatest people in the world have been dismissed with similar comments as yours, especially prior to the 'being the greatest people' etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #143 February 9, 2011 QuoteSince you are such a firm believer in being open, why don't you practice what you preach and post all of your personal information here in this thread? Full name, DOB, city of birth, mother's maiden name, SS#, etc. Quite typical that one would want someone else to do what one wouldn't do themselves. Put up or shut up time, maybe?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #144 February 9, 2011 Quote So you also think there should be no secrets. The problem is that apparently you live in an absolutist, extremist world...all or nothing. Either absolute/extreme has its own problems. Nobody is saying ALL here. Only YOU are saying NOTHING. Living in the extremes tends to cloud one's thinking. There are no absolutes. Well, except for dying, maybe. Quote What's the matter? Chicken? Wow. No THERE'S a mature response!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #145 February 9, 2011 School me. What is "tldr;?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #146 February 9, 2011 Quote Quote Hey is the US government was coming after you, I expect you would be willing to accept donations for your legal fees. I sent Julian some of my money. He can have it - he's a fucking hero in my books and I will do what I can to support any legal battles he is into. Thank you for sending money to a political terrorist who is actively trying to damage our country's international relations. I could post hear what that makes you but I would quickly be given a time out. Well at least we know who the new Jane Fonda in Viet Nam is.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #147 February 9, 2011 Quotethis issue is not whether to not we post OUR personal information in case you lost the point of the thread. The thread is about open government and the benefits of it. jeeezzz. Constitutionally - you appear to not be too up on the issue So your PERSONAL information is to be kept secret while you advocate the clandestined acquisition of government secrets, (not crimes, just secrets), that can potentially and have damaged relations with other countries, potentially endangering the whole of the 300M people living in thn this country, but your information is sacred. OK So - if all that "Sacred" information, all of it, your holdings, your buisness profit, your personal debt, your tax info, your family's financial and legal portfolios, and perhaps even your children's information, were somehow distributed on the interweb, would the guy that did it still be your hero? What if it was Assange himself?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #148 February 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteSince you are such a firm believer in being open, why don't you practice what you preach and post all of your personal information here in this thread? Full name, DOB, city of birth, mother's maiden name, SS#, etc. Quite typical that one would want someone else to do what one wouldn't do themselves. Put up or shut up time, maybe? Actually, he is doing what he advocates. he fully disagrees with the posting of the information, so he would be, in this argument, not accountable for posting info. The people that advocate the release of the info should also be in favor of releasing their own. He has Put up - the others are the ones that have not.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #149 February 9, 2011 Quote I'll save you the trouble, I'm a commie pinko left wing liberal ex-Canadian fucking traitor socialist who deserves a mallet to the head whatever...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #150 February 9, 2011 QuoteSchool me. What is "tldr;? too long; didn't readMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
