kallend 2,146 #51 February 9, 2011 QuoteQuote It seems that you don't understand the concept of ZERO. As in ZERO tolerance POLICY. It seems you don't understand the point of the OP. WRONG Quote He understands the concept of zero, he just believes (as I do) that zero policies make ZERO sense. . Indeed - so blame the people who create them - ELECTED SCHOOL BOARDS, not the people who have to administer them.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #52 February 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote...........Indeed - so blame the people who create them - ELECTED SCHOOL BOARDS, not the people who have to administer them. "I am not to blame...I vas just following orders. I know nothing!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #53 February 9, 2011 Quote Indeed - so blame the people who create them - ELECTED SCHOOL BOARDS, not the people who have to administer them. where did I lay blame? you're consistent with your blame of the board in your posts on this topic ofer the past few years, but I still dont see how you can support these policies. (as some of your prior posts seem to indicate).-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #54 February 9, 2011 QuoteQuote Indeed - so blame the people who create them - ELECTED SCHOOL BOARDS, not the people who have to administer them. where did I lay blame? you're consistent with your blame of the board in your posts on this topic ofer the past few years, but I still dont see how you can support these policies. (as some of your prior posts seem to indicate). WRONG. I do NOT support Zero Tolerance policies. Unlike turtle, jgoose and kennedy, I don't blame those who are required to administer them (that's what ZERO tolerance means), I blame those who create them - elected school boards.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #55 February 9, 2011 QuoteQuote Do try to understand, the school officials are the ones who called the police, and the superintendent is the one supporting this, if not doing it himself. Don't cop out and only blame the school board for this. It seems that you don't understand the concept of ZERO. As in ZERO tolerance POLICY. Zero tolerance for weapons and imitation firearms. I highly doubt they have a zero tolerance policy for nerf toys. Convenient how you leave out the part of my post showing what he brought in and what the police charged him with, at the school officials request.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #56 February 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote Do try to understand, the school officials are the ones who called the police, and the superintendent is the one supporting this, if not doing it himself. Don't cop out and only blame the school board for this. It seems that you don't understand the concept of ZERO. As in ZERO tolerance POLICY. Zero tolerance for weapons and imitation firearms. I highly doubt they have a zero tolerance policy for nerf toys. Convenient how you leave out the part of my post showing what he brought in and what the police charged him with, at the school officials request. From the OP link: "Cops Charge 7-Year-Old for Bringing Toy Gun to Class" Why don't you write to the SCHOOL BOARD and tell them what they really meant when they made the rule.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #57 February 9, 2011 Quote WRONG. I do NOT support Zero Tolerance policies. holy crap! a clear statement of position from you on an argument. I'm going to need a minute to collect myself.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #58 February 9, 2011 Quote I don't blame those who are required to administer them (that's what ZERO tolerance means), I blame those who create them - elected school boards. Well then it seems that you may actually be half correct then - I blame them both.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #59 February 9, 2011 >Zero tolerance policies are a nice way to avoid actually thinking. A nice way for >forcing school officials into not evaluating situations on a case-by-case basis . . . That's exactly what Kallend is saying. Kennedy is blaming the school officials for this, but zero-tolerance removes any choice from them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #60 February 9, 2011 Quote>Zero tolerance policies are a nice way to avoid actually thinking. A nice way for >forcing school officials into not evaluating situations on a case-by-case basis . . . That's exactly what Kallend is saying. Kennedy is blaming the school officials for this, but zero-tolerance removes any choice from them. I guess you have never heard of civil disobedience. Everyone has a choice to follow the "requirements".I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #61 February 9, 2011 QuoteQuote>Zero tolerance policies are a nice way to avoid actually thinking. A nice way for >forcing school officials into not evaluating situations on a case-by-case basis . . . That's exactly what Kallend is saying. Kennedy is blaming the school officials for this, but zero-tolerance removes any choice from them. I guess you have never heard of civil disobedience. Everyone has a choice to follow the "requirements". True, but if, say, an assistant principal at a school does that, he risks getting fired and having his career trashed. I wouldn't blame him for not being willing to risk that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #62 February 9, 2011 >I guess you have never heard of civil disobedience. Everyone has a choice to >follow the "requirements". Then it's not zero tolerance, is it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #63 February 9, 2011 Quote>I guess you have never heard of civil disobedience. Everyone has a choice to >follow the "requirements". Then it's not zero tolerance, is it? If you want to spin it that way, you can view it that way if you want.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #64 February 9, 2011 Do you really believe that a nerf toy that flilngs ping pong balls qualifies as an imitation firearm? What makes this a gun or weapon that falls under the zero tolerance policy set out by the school board? Calling the toy an imitation implies that it somehow Quoteimitate –verb (used with object), -tat·ed, -tat·ing. 1. to follow or endeavor to follow as a model or example: to imitate an author's style; to imitate an older brother. 2. to mimic; impersonate: The students imitated the teacher behind her back. 3. to make a copy of; reproduce closely. 4. to have or assume the appearance of; simulate; resemble was similar to a gun, or meant to resemble it. The school administrator DECIDED that this toy fit the definition of of gun or weapon under the zero tolerance policy. I think we all agree zero tolerance policies are idiotic. The point I'm making here is that the school administrator, in choosing to apply the foolish policy to this situation, made a foolsih decision. Or do you think nerf puts out ping pong flingers that imitate firearms? The child should have been reprimanded for bringing an inappropriate toy to school. He should not have been labeled a threat, arrested, and suspended from school. All that could have been done while adherring to the zero tolerance policy by simply recognizing that the toy was not a gun, weapon, or imitation of either.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #65 February 10, 2011 Quote Do you really believe that a nerf toy that flilngs ping pong balls qualifies as an imitation firearm? What makes this a gun or weapon that falls under the zero tolerance policy set out by the school board? Calling the toy an imitation implies that it somehow Quote imitate –verb (used with object), -tat·ed, -tat·ing. 1. to follow or endeavor to follow as a model or example: to imitate an author's style; to imitate an older brother. 2. to mimic; impersonate: The students imitated the teacher behind her back. 3. to make a copy of; reproduce closely. 4. to have or assume the appearance of; simulate; resemble was similar to a gun, or meant to resemble it. The school administrator DECIDED that this toy fit the definition of of gun or weapon under the zero tolerance policy. I think we all agree zero tolerance policies are idiotic. The point I'm making here is that the school administrator, in choosing to apply the foolish policy to this situation, made a foolsih decision. Or do you think nerf puts out ping pong flingers that imitate firearms? The child should have been reprimanded for bringing an inappropriate toy to school. He should not have been labeled a threat, arrested, and suspended from school. All that could have been done while adherring to the zero tolerance policy by simply recognizing that the toy was not a gun, weapon, or imitation of either. Well they do resemble a beanbag shotgun . . . don't they?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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rhaig 0 #53 February 9, 2011 Quote Indeed - so blame the people who create them - ELECTED SCHOOL BOARDS, not the people who have to administer them. where did I lay blame? you're consistent with your blame of the board in your posts on this topic ofer the past few years, but I still dont see how you can support these policies. (as some of your prior posts seem to indicate).-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #54 February 9, 2011 QuoteQuote Indeed - so blame the people who create them - ELECTED SCHOOL BOARDS, not the people who have to administer them. where did I lay blame? you're consistent with your blame of the board in your posts on this topic ofer the past few years, but I still dont see how you can support these policies. (as some of your prior posts seem to indicate). WRONG. I do NOT support Zero Tolerance policies. Unlike turtle, jgoose and kennedy, I don't blame those who are required to administer them (that's what ZERO tolerance means), I blame those who create them - elected school boards.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #55 February 9, 2011 QuoteQuote Do try to understand, the school officials are the ones who called the police, and the superintendent is the one supporting this, if not doing it himself. Don't cop out and only blame the school board for this. It seems that you don't understand the concept of ZERO. As in ZERO tolerance POLICY. Zero tolerance for weapons and imitation firearms. I highly doubt they have a zero tolerance policy for nerf toys. Convenient how you leave out the part of my post showing what he brought in and what the police charged him with, at the school officials request.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #56 February 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote Do try to understand, the school officials are the ones who called the police, and the superintendent is the one supporting this, if not doing it himself. Don't cop out and only blame the school board for this. It seems that you don't understand the concept of ZERO. As in ZERO tolerance POLICY. Zero tolerance for weapons and imitation firearms. I highly doubt they have a zero tolerance policy for nerf toys. Convenient how you leave out the part of my post showing what he brought in and what the police charged him with, at the school officials request. From the OP link: "Cops Charge 7-Year-Old for Bringing Toy Gun to Class" Why don't you write to the SCHOOL BOARD and tell them what they really meant when they made the rule.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #57 February 9, 2011 Quote WRONG. I do NOT support Zero Tolerance policies. holy crap! a clear statement of position from you on an argument. I'm going to need a minute to collect myself.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #58 February 9, 2011 Quote I don't blame those who are required to administer them (that's what ZERO tolerance means), I blame those who create them - elected school boards. Well then it seems that you may actually be half correct then - I blame them both.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #59 February 9, 2011 >Zero tolerance policies are a nice way to avoid actually thinking. A nice way for >forcing school officials into not evaluating situations on a case-by-case basis . . . That's exactly what Kallend is saying. Kennedy is blaming the school officials for this, but zero-tolerance removes any choice from them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #60 February 9, 2011 Quote>Zero tolerance policies are a nice way to avoid actually thinking. A nice way for >forcing school officials into not evaluating situations on a case-by-case basis . . . That's exactly what Kallend is saying. Kennedy is blaming the school officials for this, but zero-tolerance removes any choice from them. I guess you have never heard of civil disobedience. Everyone has a choice to follow the "requirements".I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #61 February 9, 2011 QuoteQuote>Zero tolerance policies are a nice way to avoid actually thinking. A nice way for >forcing school officials into not evaluating situations on a case-by-case basis . . . That's exactly what Kallend is saying. Kennedy is blaming the school officials for this, but zero-tolerance removes any choice from them. I guess you have never heard of civil disobedience. Everyone has a choice to follow the "requirements". True, but if, say, an assistant principal at a school does that, he risks getting fired and having his career trashed. I wouldn't blame him for not being willing to risk that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #62 February 9, 2011 >I guess you have never heard of civil disobedience. Everyone has a choice to >follow the "requirements". Then it's not zero tolerance, is it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #63 February 9, 2011 Quote>I guess you have never heard of civil disobedience. Everyone has a choice to >follow the "requirements". Then it's not zero tolerance, is it? If you want to spin it that way, you can view it that way if you want.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #64 February 9, 2011 Do you really believe that a nerf toy that flilngs ping pong balls qualifies as an imitation firearm? What makes this a gun or weapon that falls under the zero tolerance policy set out by the school board? Calling the toy an imitation implies that it somehow Quoteimitate –verb (used with object), -tat·ed, -tat·ing. 1. to follow or endeavor to follow as a model or example: to imitate an author's style; to imitate an older brother. 2. to mimic; impersonate: The students imitated the teacher behind her back. 3. to make a copy of; reproduce closely. 4. to have or assume the appearance of; simulate; resemble was similar to a gun, or meant to resemble it. The school administrator DECIDED that this toy fit the definition of of gun or weapon under the zero tolerance policy. I think we all agree zero tolerance policies are idiotic. The point I'm making here is that the school administrator, in choosing to apply the foolish policy to this situation, made a foolsih decision. Or do you think nerf puts out ping pong flingers that imitate firearms? The child should have been reprimanded for bringing an inappropriate toy to school. He should not have been labeled a threat, arrested, and suspended from school. All that could have been done while adherring to the zero tolerance policy by simply recognizing that the toy was not a gun, weapon, or imitation of either.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #65 February 10, 2011 Quote Do you really believe that a nerf toy that flilngs ping pong balls qualifies as an imitation firearm? What makes this a gun or weapon that falls under the zero tolerance policy set out by the school board? Calling the toy an imitation implies that it somehow Quote imitate –verb (used with object), -tat·ed, -tat·ing. 1. to follow or endeavor to follow as a model or example: to imitate an author's style; to imitate an older brother. 2. to mimic; impersonate: The students imitated the teacher behind her back. 3. to make a copy of; reproduce closely. 4. to have or assume the appearance of; simulate; resemble was similar to a gun, or meant to resemble it. The school administrator DECIDED that this toy fit the definition of of gun or weapon under the zero tolerance policy. I think we all agree zero tolerance policies are idiotic. The point I'm making here is that the school administrator, in choosing to apply the foolish policy to this situation, made a foolsih decision. Or do you think nerf puts out ping pong flingers that imitate firearms? The child should have been reprimanded for bringing an inappropriate toy to school. He should not have been labeled a threat, arrested, and suspended from school. All that could have been done while adherring to the zero tolerance policy by simply recognizing that the toy was not a gun, weapon, or imitation of either. Well they do resemble a beanbag shotgun . . . don't they?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
