Kennedy 0 #26 February 5, 2011 Nope, just all the ones that weren't firstborn. (ain't thread drift grand?)witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #27 February 5, 2011 QuoteNope, just all the ones that weren't firstborn. (ain't thread drift grand?) So China has relatively few motherfuckers then. So when we want to curse the people of that country, we'll need to use a different perjorative to attach to Chinese. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #28 February 5, 2011 Quote Quote Quote http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Cops-Charge-7-Year-Old-for-Bringing-Toy-Gun-to-Class-115125844.html The idiocy never ceases to amaze. Virginia Teen Suspended, Facing Criminal Charges for Shooting Plastic Spitballs in School http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/03/virginia-teen-expelled-facing-criminal-charges-shooting-plastic-spitballs/ Quote Citing the school's 'zero tolerance' policy, Assistant Principal Lisa Andruss at a December 21 disciplinary hearing said that Mikel presented a danger and that the boy's behavior was indicative of a trend because he was disciplined in seventh grade for shooting rubber bands with a ruler and suspended for three days in 8th grade for bringing a comb to school that resembled a pocket knife, his father said. This kid has a record. Best to just shoot him now... This is his 3rd strike. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #29 February 5, 2011 QuoteThis is his 3rd strike. Don't get me started on another thread drift on the sheer idiocy of basing statutory law on the rules of baseball. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #30 February 6, 2011 QuoteQuoteThis is his 3rd strike. Don't get me started on another thread drift on the sheer idiocy of basing statutory law on the rules of baseball. how many chances do you think the conviceted felons shuld get?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #31 February 6, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis is his 3rd strike. Don't get me started on another thread drift on the sheer idiocy of basing statutory law on the rules of baseball. how many chances do you think the conviceted felons shuld get? so life in prison, or should we just give the kid the chair? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #32 February 6, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThis is his 3rd strike. Don't get me started on another thread drift on the sheer idiocy of basing statutory law on the rules of baseball. how many chances do you think the conviceted felons shuld get? so life in prison, or should we just give the kid the chair? Is that an answer or a deflection?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #33 February 6, 2011 QuoteQuoteThis is his 3rd strike. Don't get me started on another thread drift on the sheer idiocy of basing statutory law on the rules of baseball. I'm not a fan of California's three strikes law, but I do approve of habitual felon laws. If anfrlon doesn't stop after two or three prior convictions, why should the court expect he will change? Why shouldn't he face increased sanctions for repeated criminal violations?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #34 February 6, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis is his 3rd strike. Don't get me started on another thread drift on the sheer idiocy of basing statutory law on the rules of baseball. I'm not a fan of California's three strikes law, but I do approve of habitual felon laws. If anfrlon doesn't stop after two or three prior convictions, why should the court expect he will change? Why shouldn't he face increased sanctions for repeated criminal violations? There's a right way, and a wrong way, to go about habitual offender sentencing laws. The right way is called a "sentencing guidelines matrix" used by many states and the federal courts. They have very specific "mitigated", "standard" and "enhanced" sentencing ranges, based on a host of various defendant-specific and case-specific circumstances (including, for example, the defendant's "criminal history", i.e., prior record); and a judge risks his sentence being stricken on appeal (and prosecutors can also appeal sentences; re-sentencing "upward" is not considered "double jeopardy") if he strays from those guidelines without good and justifiable reason. Here's a Wiki synopsis of the federal sentencing guidelines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentencing_guidelines Then there are wrong and stupid and lazy ways to go about it. The stupid and lazy way is for legislatures to base their statutes on socially-crucial policy issues on the rules of baseball. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #35 February 6, 2011 Quote Quote "I'd rather it be dealt with more severely than not," said Gherard. Gotta love those liberal school officials the OP stated idiocy - so must be a conservative!“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #36 February 7, 2011 Gotcha. I agree for the most part. I like the laws of NC related to sentencing. I think they're a little light on repeat misd offenders, but overall they make good sense. They use matrices for misd, dwi, and felonies. There wasn't anything fair about fair sentencing, so they came to this set, structured sentencing. Now we have a habitual felon charge, habitual DWI, and habitual misd assault.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #37 February 7, 2011 Quotehttp://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Cops-Charge-7-Year-Old-for-Bringing-Toy-Gun-to-Class-115125844.html The idiocy never ceases to amaze. Just a gentle reminder that school policies are made by elected school boards, not by teachers or principals, and that Hammonton NJ is soundly Republican in its voting patterns.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #38 February 7, 2011 Quote Quote http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Cops-Charge-7-Year-Old-for-Bringing-Toy-Gun-to-Class-115125844.html The idiocy never ceases to amaze. Just a gentle reminder that school policies are made by elected school boards, not by teachers or principals, and that Hammonton NJ is soundly Republican in its voting patterns. tell that to turtle! he said it was a liberal thing!!! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #39 February 7, 2011 QuoteJust a gentle reminder that school policies are made by elected school boards, not by teachers or principals, and that Hammonton NJ is soundly Republican in its voting patterns. Really? The town council are all independants last I was there. They have reps to the state houses with (R) after their name, but let's be honest, this is New Jersey, where republicans are more liberal than many places' democrats. (one more reason to hate the false dichotomy of left vs right and D vs R). Also, those kcal policies are required to comply with state rules and regs, as set by the DoEd, which is run by once of the most liberal state governments in the country. Finally, as this is related to irrational fear and loathing o firearms and weapons control policies, can you really argue that that doesn't fall squarely under today's D party platform? ps - you'll find that I never said anything about left vs right or D vs R in the OP or anywhere else in this thread. Trivial pursuit factoid: Hammonton is the most "Italian" place in the country. Of course that means there are more Jersey Shore wannabe imports than most other places. Lord will I e happy when those over-helped jaeger swilling coke fueled investors are off the air.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #40 February 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteJust a gentle reminder that school policies are made by elected school boards, not by teachers or principals, and that Hammonton NJ is soundly Republican in its voting patterns. Really? . Yes, really. Not a (D) to be found in their congressional district, nor on the town council - Turtlespeed jumped the gun. Blame elected school boards, not educators, for stupid school policies.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #41 February 8, 2011 C'mon now ...Not all mindless bureaucrats are left-wing liberals. Once in a while you do run across the occasional centrist and I'm sure that even a conservative can be found if you look hard enough. School board elections here are usually "non-partisan" so you won't find a D or R in front of their names. (but you can bet they are registered to vote as one or the other or as an independent.) Like I said before, these brainless rules are designed to pass responsibility downstream ...or upstream. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #42 February 8, 2011 QuoteC'mon now ...Not all mindless bureaucrats are left-wing liberals. Once in a while you do run across the occasional centrist and I'm sure that even a conservative can be found if you look hard enough. School board elections here are usually "non-partisan" so you won't find a D or R in front of their names. (but you can bet they are registered to vote as one or the other or as an independent.) Like I said before, these brainless rules are designed to pass responsibility downstream ...or upstream. A decade or two back the Christian Right started targeting school board elections as they are 1) lightly contested and 2) offer ability to push agenda in an effective setting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #43 February 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteC'mon now ...Not all mindless bureaucrats are left-wing liberals. Once in a while you do run across the occasional centrist and I'm sure that even a conservative can be found if you look hard enough. School board elections here are usually "non-partisan" so you won't find a D or R in front of their names. (but you can bet they are registered to vote as one or the other or as an independent.) Like I said before, these brainless rules are designed to pass responsibility downstream ...or upstream. A decade or two back the Christian Right started targeting school board elections as they are 1) lightly contested and 2) offer ability to push agenda in an effective setting. Actually determining the overall political makeup of some of these "non-partisan" positions (school boards, city commissions, etc.) might make an interesting study. Might make a nice project for a Poli-Sci student. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #44 February 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteC'mon now ...Not all mindless bureaucrats are left-wing liberals. Once in a while you do run across the occasional centrist and I'm sure that even a conservative can be found if you look hard enough. School board elections here are usually "non-partisan" so you won't find a D or R in front of their names. (but you can bet they are registered to vote as one or the other or as an independent.) Like I said before, these brainless rules are designed to pass responsibility downstream ...or upstream. A decade or two back the Christian Right started targeting school board elections as they are 1) lightly contested and 2) offer ability to push agenda in an effective setting. Shhhh no one is supposed to know about that... The MANTRA has to be they are all liberals in education all run by the NEA... Right Mike, Marc et al??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #45 February 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteJust a gentle reminder that school policies are made by elected school boards, not by teachers or principals, and that Hammonton NJ is soundly Republican in its voting patterns. Really? . Yes, really. Not a (D) to be found in their congressional district, nor on the town council - Turtlespeed jumped the gun. Blame elected school boards, not educators, for stupid school policies. I didn't say anything about "D" or "R" i mentioned Liberals. Which they are. Just because you put a letter behind or in front of the name doesn't make it so.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #46 February 8, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Just a gentle reminder that school policies are made by elected school boards, not by teachers or principals, and that Hammonton NJ is soundly Republican in its voting patterns. Really? . Yes, really. Not a (D) to be found in their congressional district, nor on the town council - Turtlespeed jumped the gun. Blame elected school boards, not educators, for stupid school policies. I didn't say anything about "D" or "R" i mentioned Liberals. Which they are. Just because you put a letter behind or in front of the name doesn't make it so. You're funny. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #47 February 9, 2011 What's funny? Are you saying there aren't liberal republicans and conservative democrats out there? And have you forgotten that state bureaucrats make the rules that school districts have to follow, or that it is the responsibility of principals and administrators to enforce the rules reasonably and intelligently? Tell me professor, how many nerf-like guns QuoteThe "gun" the child brought to school was a $5 toy gun, similar to a Nerf gun, that shoots soft ping pong type balls, according to the school's superintendent. would qualify as a look-alike firearm? QuotePolice charged the 7-year-old with possessing an imitation firearm in or on an education institution – a misdemeanor and a minor juvenile offense in New Jersey. Do try to understand, the school officials are the ones who called the police, and the superintendent is the one supporting this, if not doing it himself. Don't cop out and only blame the school board for this.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #48 February 9, 2011 QuoteDo try to understand, the school officials are the ones who called the police, and the superintendent is the one supporting this, if not doing it himself. Don't cop out and only blame the school board for this. School board, school staff, I really wouldn't try to pin things on a political party either way. When I was in high school I had the privilege of going to lunch off campus. I also worked 30 hours a week and thus was able to have a car. One day, one of the friends in my group decided to throw a ketchup packet out the window of my car at another student's car because he thought it was funny. The guys in the other car (who were your classic jock idiots, not that that's important to the story) reported my car to the assistant principal. A couple days later the AP pulls me out of my English class and tells me in the hallway that going off campus is a considerable privilege and that I was pushing my luck letting people do that kind of thing from my car. I said that I agree, and that I told my friend after he threw the ketchup packet out the window that if something like that happens again I'm pulling my car over wherever we are and he's walking back to school. The AP laughed (he laughed the dishonest asshole) and said, "well I'm glad we're all able to handle this like adults.... go on and get back to class." Two days later my parents got a letter from the AP detailing how immature I was and threatened to suspend me if I caused the slightest stir from there on out. Luckily my parents had more respect for me than the AP did so they signed and gave me the letter and I took it to the AP's office the next day, placed it on his desk in front of him and said, "...like adults, huh?" and walked out of his office. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #49 February 9, 2011 Quote Do try to understand, the school officials are the ones who called the police, and the superintendent is the one supporting this, if not doing it himself. Don't cop out and only blame the school board for this. It seems that you don't understand the concept of ZERO. As in ZERO tolerance POLICY.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #50 February 9, 2011 Quote It seems that you don't understand the concept of ZERO. As in ZERO tolerance POLICY. It seems you don't understand the point of the OP. He understands the concept of zero, he just believes (as I do) that zero policies make ZERO sense. Zero tolerance policies are a nice way to avoid actually thinking. A nice way for forcing school officials into not evaluating situations on a case-by-case basis, gathering facts, using problem resolution skills (that many educators are required to get training in) and teaching children why what they did was wrong. Instead, they turn the whole world into black & white, Setting punishment for an entire class of offense regardless of the scale or intent of the specific event. The punishment for bring a knife to school is the same whether it's a cub scout pen knife that the 6-year old was proud of being given, or a 7" hunting knife with dried blood on it from the previous weekend's hunting trip that the troubled teenager planned on using to scare others.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
