masterrig 1 #26 January 29, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote you are forbidden to listen to the music via headphones while crossing the street. What if I just shut the music off and keep the headphones on...what then? I ask myself the same question, but still no cop ever tried to approach me while doing this. I`m badass so I listen to the music whenever I want. Fck the system Anyway, he would probably fine me. In this country they are always right. If it would get to court, I`d still lose. Cop`s word it "stronger" at court than anyone else`s. Or maybe I could try to bribe him. When people fail to use common sense the law steps in to try and fill the gap. Personally I prefer the lighter regulation approach and simply let the accidents happen. For some sick reason... I like that idea. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #27 January 30, 2011 Quote Quote Where im from on the east coast people yield to cars. If you don't, you get hit. and the driver gets a medal. Or at least 50 points. Death Race 2011? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #28 January 30, 2011 QuoteTexting-while-walking is to blame for the deaths of three people in (New York City). I'm thinking there has to be more to blame for these deaths than simply texting-while-walking. If they were pedestrian/vehicle collisions, then either the pedestrian or the vehicle was crossing the street/intersection illegally. If people are jaywalking while texting, are they already being ticketed for the jaywalking? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,115 #29 January 31, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote you are forbidden to listen to the music via headphones while crossing the street. What if I just shut the music off and keep the headphones on...what then? I ask myself the same question, but still no cop ever tried to approach me while doing this. I`m badass so I listen to the music whenever I want. Fck the system Anyway, he would probably fine me. In this country they are always right. If it would get to court, I`d still lose. Cop`s word it "stronger" at court than anyone else`s. Or maybe I could try to bribe him. When people fail to use common sense the law steps in to try and fill the gap. Personally I prefer the lighter regulation approach and simply let the accidents happen. For some sick reason... I like that idea. Chuck And what if some unregulated texting driver hits your child in a crosswalk? Are you OK with that?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #30 January 31, 2011 Quote Quote Texting-while-walking is to blame for the deaths of three people in (New York City). I'm thinking there has to be more to blame for these deaths than simply texting-while-walking. If they were pedestrian/vehicle collisions, then either the pedestrian or the vehicle was crossing the street/intersection illegally. If people are jaywalking while texting, are they already being ticketed for the jaywalking? Let's outlaw jaywalking!! oh wait... yeah... more laws will solve this problem. -- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,115 #31 January 31, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Texting-while-walking is to blame for the deaths of three people in (New York City). I'm thinking there has to be more to blame for these deaths than simply texting-while-walking. If they were pedestrian/vehicle collisions, then either the pedestrian or the vehicle was crossing the street/intersection illegally. If people are jaywalking while texting, are they already being ticketed for the jaywalking? Let's outlaw jaywalking!! oh wait... yeah... more laws will solve this problem. Doubtful that it will solve the problem, but there is likely a large fraction of the populace whose behavior is influenced by the law. Just because a solution isn't perfect doesn't mean it isn't good. After all, lots of self employed people cheat on their taxes, but that is no reason to scrap laws against tax evasion.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #32 January 31, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Texting-while-walking is to blame for the deaths of three people in (New York City). I'm thinking there has to be more to blame for these deaths than simply texting-while-walking. If they were pedestrian/vehicle collisions, then either the pedestrian or the vehicle was crossing the street/intersection illegally. If people are jaywalking while texting, are they already being ticketed for the jaywalking? Let's outlaw jaywalking!! oh wait... yeah... more laws will solve this problem. Doubtful that it will solve the problem, but there is likely a large fraction of the populace whose behavior is influenced by the law. Just because a solution isn't perfect doesn't mean it isn't good. After all, lots of self employed people cheat on their taxes, but that is no reason to scrap laws against tax evasion. so let's add texting while walking, because crossing against the signal and/or jaywalking aren't already crimes. The same problem with the texting while driving laws. Was texting while driving causing accidents? sure. Was texting while driving "inattentive driving", in many jurisdictions, yes. Did that stop those jurisdictions from spending tax payer money creating another law that will be hard to enforce? nope.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #33 January 31, 2011 QuoteBan texting while walking? So blogging while driving is out of the question? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #34 January 31, 2011 QuoteQuoteTexting-while-walking is to blame for the deaths of three people in (New York City). I'm thinking there has to be more to blame for these deaths than simply texting-while-walking. If they were pedestrian/vehicle collisions, then either the pedestrian or the vehicle was crossing the street/intersection illegally. If people are jaywalking while texting, are they already being ticketed for the jaywalking? Excellent point. Kind of like hate crimes. It's already a crime. Why did we need more legislation?I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david3 0 #35 January 31, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteTexting-while-walking is to blame for the deaths of three people in (New York City). I'm thinking there has to be more to blame for these deaths than simply texting-while-walking. If they were pedestrian/vehicle collisions, then either the pedestrian or the vehicle was crossing the street/intersection illegally. If people are jaywalking while texting, are they already being ticketed for the jaywalking? Excellent point. Kind of like hate crimes. It's already a crime. Why did we need more legislation? Or driving while talking / texting with a cell phone. Wouldn’t that fall under reckless driving? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #36 January 31, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteTexting-while-walking is to blame for the deaths of three people in (New York City). I'm thinking there has to be more to blame for these deaths than simply texting-while-walking. If they were pedestrian/vehicle collisions, then either the pedestrian or the vehicle was crossing the street/intersection illegally. If people are jaywalking while texting, are they already being ticketed for the jaywalking? Excellent point. Kind of like hate crimes. It's already a crime. Why did we need more legislation? Or driving while talking / texting with a cell phone. Wouldn’t that fall under reckless driving? Some jurisdictions have specific definitions of reckless, careless and inattentive driving. Some have all three, some do not. While texting/talking while driving may not fit a definition of reckless, it's more likely to fit careless or inattentive. The jurisdictions that didn't have careless or inattentive driving statutes that fit use of an electronic device while driving would have been better served by passing such a law rather than one targeted at a specific use of a specific device.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #37 January 31, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteTexting-while-walking is to blame for the deaths of three people in (New York City). I'm thinking there has to be more to blame for these deaths than simply texting-while-walking. If they were pedestrian/vehicle collisions, then either the pedestrian or the vehicle was crossing the street/intersection illegally. If people are jaywalking while texting, are they already being ticketed for the jaywalking? Excellent point. Kind of like hate crimes. It's already a crime. Why did we need more legislation? Or driving while talking / texting with a cell phone. Wouldn’t that fall under reckless driving? Some jurisdictions have specific definitions of reckless, careless and inattentive driving. Some have all three, some do not. While texting/talking while driving may not fit a definition of reckless, it's more likely to fit careless or inattentive. The jurisdictions that didn't have careless or inattentive driving statutes that fit use of an electronic device while driving would have been better served by passing such a law rather than one targeted at a specific use of a specific device. I generally define reckless driving as violating 2 laws at the same time such as tailgaiting AND speeding or speeding AND changing lanes without signaling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,115 #38 January 31, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteTexting-while-walking is to blame for the deaths of three people in (New York City). I'm thinking there has to be more to blame for these deaths than simply texting-while-walking. If they were pedestrian/vehicle collisions, then either the pedestrian or the vehicle was crossing the street/intersection illegally. If people are jaywalking while texting, are they already being ticketed for the jaywalking? Excellent point. Kind of like hate crimes. It's already a crime. Why did we need more legislation? Or driving while talking / texting with a cell phone. Wouldn’t that fall under reckless driving? Recklessness or carelessness is difficult to prove and involves a value judgment. Someone who is texting while driving probably will deny that they are being careless/reckless. Texting, OTOH, is easy to prove, and specifically prohibiting it, or specifying that texting while driving is de jure proof of careless driving, sends an appropriate message to drivers.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,115 #39 January 31, 2011 Quote I generally define reckless driving as violating 2 laws at the same time such as tailgaiting AND speeding or speeding AND changing lanes without signaling. Very nice of you to provide a definition for the rest of society, but is your definition generally accepted by judges throughout the land?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #40 January 31, 2011 QuoteQuote I generally define reckless driving as violating 2 laws at the same time such as tailgaiting AND speeding or speeding AND changing lanes without signaling. Very nice of you to provide a definition for the rest of society, but is your definition generally accepted by judges throughout the land? Got a better definition? If so we would like to hear it. Perhaps this is why there are often overlapping laws. That would give a police officer 2 violations to cite a driver for, the second being reckless driving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #41 January 31, 2011 Alabama law has generally shown reckless as something pretty outrageous. Underage, no license, wrong way on the freeway, caused accidents sort of thing. We have a 'driving while distracted' law, but that has generally been used only after an accident happened. I think we have a state law as of September that prohibits driving and texting.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #42 January 31, 2011 QuoteAlabama law has generally shown reckless as something pretty outrageous. Underage, no license, wrong way on the freeway, caused accidents sort of thing. We have a 'driving while distracted' law, but that has generally been used only after an accident happened. I think we have a state law as of September that prohibits driving and texting. I don't think the state legislature ever worked out the discrepancies on the language they wanted, so therefore, there is no state law, yet. However, several cities have passed ordinances banning the practice. Huntsville, Vestavia Hills, Mountain Brook and Homewood as far as I know have anti-texting ordinances on the books."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
