dreamdancer 0 #1 January 28, 2011 another us puppet state throws off its shackles... QuoteThe Egyptian dissident Mohamed ElBaradei warned President Hosni Mubarak today that his regime is on its last legs, as tens of thousands of people prepared to take to the streets for a fourth day of anti-government protests. The Nobel peace prize winner's comments to the Guardian represented his strongest intervention against the country's authoritarian government since he announced his intention to return to Egypt to join the protests. "I'm sending a message to the Guardian and to the world that Egypt is being isolated by a regime on its last legs," he said. His words marked an escalation of the language he used on arrival in Cairo last night, when he merely urged the Mubarak government to "listen to the people" and not to use violence. ElBaradei has been criticised by some Egyptians for the late return to his homeland, two days after the protests began – hundreds of people have already been arrested and exposed to the brutal tactics of the security services. But ElBaradei was keen to stress his solidarity with the protesters. "There is of course a risk to my safety today, but it's a risk worth taking when you see your country in such a state you have to take risks," he said. "I will be with the people today." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/28/egyptian-government-last-legs-elbaradeistay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #2 January 28, 2011 Its not just Eygpt and Tunisia. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12204971 We're seeing an interesting phenomenon. As for throwing off the shackles of the USA I wouldn't be too smug about that because the UK is up to its eyes in the repression business as well, in fact it was the UK who taught the USA how to play the game. In the past the UK and US used radical Islamic groups to combat Nationalist ambitions in the region, while the nationalists fought with the Islamists the status quo was kept and our puppet rulers in the region ensured that 'our' best interests were looked after and feathered their own nests in the process. Gaddafi was the fly in the ointment until he decided to join the good lads club a few years ago. Now its more difficult for the UK and US to support Islamist groups the balance has given way. With the spread of the internet and social networking media made accessible to these countries coinciding with this we are now seeing uprisings. Its a headache for the USA and the UK if they become nationalist and democratic it will bring oil prices up to a level never seen before. If they are democratic and decide to look after their own best interests then our's will suffer. If they become socialist and unite then again problem. For the USA and UK the order of the day will be as its always been Divide et impera Be prepared for the new wars to begin in North Africa and the middle east as the USA and UK stir shit with the biggest spoon we can find until we've decided who we can bribe, cajole or threaten into doing what is best for us. Whatever happens in Egypt ultimately the UK and USA will not allow the Suez Canal to fall into the 'wrong' hands, if that means war then war it will be, most likely another proxy war.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #3 January 28, 2011 i agree - the uk is just as nasty as the us (especially after that christian extremist blair). i've got to put 'us' somewhere in the title or opening post though or the thread will just be ignored. the majority here are americans so i've got to play to them...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #4 January 28, 2011 The crap will only really hit the fan in Egypt if ElBaradei doesn't become the new top dog, he is after all a man 'we can do business with'.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #5 January 28, 2011 Quotei agree - the uk is just as nasty as the us (especially after that christian extremist blair). i've got to put 'us' somewhere in the title or opening post though or the thread will just be ignored. the majority here are americans so i've got to play to them... Funny it appears you play with yourself much more than anyone here"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #6 January 28, 2011 QuoteIts not just Eygpt and Tunisia. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12204971 We're seeing an interesting phenomenon. As for throwing off the shackles of the USA I wouldn't be too smug about that because the UK is up to its eyes in the repression business as well, in fact it was the UK who taught the USA how to play the game. In the past the UK and US used radical Islamic groups to combat Nationalist ambitions in the region, while the nationalists fought with the Islamists the status quo was kept and our puppet rulers in the region ensured that 'our' best interests were looked after and feathered their own nests in the process. Gaddafi was the fly in the ointment until he decided to join the good lads club a few years ago. Now its more difficult for the UK and US to support Islamist groups the balance has given way. With the spread of the internet and social networking media made accessible to these countries coinciding with this we are now seeing uprisings. Its a headache for the USA and the UK if they become nationalist and democratic it will bring oil prices up to a level never seen before. If they are democratic and decide to look after their own best interests then our's will suffer. If they become socialist and unite then again problem. For the USA and UK the order of the day will be as its always been Divide et impera Be prepared for the new wars to begin in North Africa and the middle east as the USA and UK stir shit with the biggest spoon we can find until we've decided who we can bribe, cajole or threaten into doing what is best for us. Whatever happens in Egypt ultimately the UK and USA will not allow the Suez Canal to fall into the 'wrong' hands, if that means war then war it will be, most likely another proxy war. OH, BULLSHIT! Wikileaks proves the USA has been funding pro-democracy groups in Egypt for years. Egypt doesn't have oil. WHY IS IT ALWAYS MY COUNTRY'S MOTHERFUCKING FAULT WITH YOU!? ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #7 January 28, 2011 Clearly English comprehension isn't your strong point. And not that this has anything to do with Egyptian oil but for your education Egypt is the sixth largest oil reserve in Africa (Thats where Egypt is you know) http://www.oilvoice.com/n/ENAP_Makes_Egyptian_Oil_Discovery/cc438b35.aspx http://www.getenergyevent.com/News/Oil_and_Gas_Training_News/Dana-Gas-announces-Egyptian-oil-discovery-_18662056 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_EgyptWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #8 January 28, 2011 Is Egypt a member of OPEC? Does it export a significant amount of oil? By your definition, anyone attacking Mexico or Canada must be doing it "for the oil." Afterall, they are number two and three for producing oil in N America. And Canada has more oil than anyone except Saudi Arabia.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #9 January 28, 2011 Kennedy, you're a smart guy, seriously, show me anywhere where I said this has anything to do with Egyptian oil, go on. in fact this might have been a clue.. Quote not that this has anything to do with Egyptian oil When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #10 January 28, 2011 Quote Caught off guard by the escalating unrest in Egypt, the Obama administration is desperate to avoid any public appearance of taking sides. But Washington's close, longstanding political and military ties to President Hosni Mubarak's regime, plus annual financial support worth about $1.5bn, undermine its claims to neutrality. While the US favours Egyptian political reform in theory, in practice it props up an authoritarian system for pragmatic reasons of national self-interest. It behaved in much the same way towards Saddam Hussein's regime in the 1980s, when Iraq was at war with Iran. A similar tacit bargain governs relations with Saudi Arabia. That's why, for many Egyptians, the US is part of the problem. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jan/28/obama-clinton-wobble-egypt-mubarakWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 January 29, 2011 Quoteanother us puppet state throws off its shackles... it's funny to read this, given that Egypt spend a good portion of recent history, up till the Camp David Accords, as a Soviet puppet. Aswan Dam is a monument to this era. Only when they accepted peace with Israel did it get shunned by the rest, and need to form closer ties with the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doughboyshred 0 #12 January 29, 2011 http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/ pretty amazing stuff going on Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #13 January 29, 2011 Is he going to call Tunisia Yemen and Algeria puppet states too? They are seeing mass protests afterall. Or would it be more appropriate to say that people are pissed off at authoritarian governments? The palestinian territories and Lebanon are having troubles as well, though we can pretty much blame that on Hezbollah. Paying attention is usually a food idea. Or you can join the blame America first brigade with dreamdancer and regurgitate how everything is because of the Great Satan.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 January 29, 2011 Quote Or you can join the blame America first brigade with dreamdancer and regurgitate how everything is because of the Great Satan. well, it wasn't possible to do this when the Soviets were still around. Now they're gone and England is impotent, so the Americans can in fact be blamed for every bad thing that happens on earth, except for Tibet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HandsomeSalad 0 #15 January 29, 2011 Quote Or you can join the blame America first brigade with dreamdancer and regurgitate how everything is because of the Great Satan. This and the other pathetic responses are telling of the intellectual and moral culture of the Americans here. In fact you could say its just telling of the low level of your educational. The US military and financial support of the Egypt dictatorship over the last couple decades is terrorism. Not only is it terrorism but its a much more serious form of terrorism than say the spectacular achievements of flying planes in to buildings and killing a few thousand people. Play the blame America game? This is American terrorism at its highest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 January 29, 2011 hey, puppet! Quote This and the other pathetic responses are telling of the intellectual and moral culture of the Americans here. In fact you could say its just telling of the low level of your educational. oh, the irony! Especially coming from a repost king. Quote The US military and financial support of the Egypt dictatorship over the last couple decades is terrorism. Not only is it terrorism but its a much more serious form of terrorism than say the spectacular achievements of flying planes in to buildings and killing a few thousand people. Reagan came up with peace through strength. DD/HS comes up with peace = terrorism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #17 January 29, 2011 QuoteQuote Caught off guard by the escalating unrest in Egypt, the Obama administration is desperate to avoid any public appearance of taking sides. But Washington's close, longstanding political and military ties to President Hosni Mubarak's regime, plus annual financial support worth about $1.5bn, undermine its claims to neutrality. While the US favours Egyptian political reform in theory, in practice it props up an authoritarian system for pragmatic reasons of national self-interest. It behaved in much the same way towards Saddam Hussein's regime in the 1980s, when Iraq was at war with Iran. A similar tacit bargain governs relations with Saudi Arabia. That's why, for many Egyptians, the US is part of the problem. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jan/28/obama-clinton-wobble-egypt-mubarak So what's your fucking point? OF COURSE the USA acts in its own self-interest. What the fuck else should it be doing?! The USA backed the Shah. Hell, the USA INSTALLED the Shah. SO WHAT!? Ring-Ring...pick up the Clue Phone! The people in those countries are a bunch of primates thanks to the death-cult of islam. Otherwise they'd be able to think for themselves, and GOVERN THEMSELVES. WHAT A CONCEPT. Despotism is all they've ever known, all they know now, and all they ever will know. Given that, the best the USA can hope for is to back some mindless greedy thug and hope he'll act in the USA's interests as well as his own. Oh and while you're at it, LET ME KNOW HOW THINGS IN IRAN ARE WORKING OUT. Everyone knows that $1.5B is nothing but a bribe to the Egyptians so they'll make nice with Israel. Rant over. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #18 January 29, 2011 Quoteanother us puppet state throws off one set of shackles for another... Fixed it for ya. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #19 January 29, 2011 Quoteits just telling of the low level of your educational. By "its", do you mean "it's"? And: "educational" what? "System", perhaps; but one is unable to be certain, as you failed to complete your sentence. Perhaps you need further edgumacation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #20 January 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteanother us puppet state throws off one set of shackles for another... Fixed it for ya. mh . Thats about the size of it.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #21 January 29, 2011 Quote The people in those countries are a bunch of primates thanks to the death-cult of islam. Its a shame that your blind hatred clouds any ability to think rationally and hold a dispassionate logical conversation. Blind hatred impoverishes the lives of those afflicted with it. You have my sympathy.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #22 January 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteits just telling of the low level of your educational. By "its", do you mean "it's"? And: "educational" what? "System", perhaps; but one is unable to be certain, as you failed to complete your sentence. Perhaps you need further edgumacation. oh no, the spelling police are out...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #23 January 29, 2011 Quote Quote The people in those countries are a bunch of primates thanks to the death-cult of islam. Its a shame that your blind hatred clouds any ability to think rationally and hold a dispassionate logical conversation. Blind hatred impoverishes the lives of those afflicted with it. Yu have my sympathy. and my contempt...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #24 January 29, 2011 Could this be more foundational evidence of end time prophecy? Eschatology rules!Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
