kelpdiver 2 #26 January 27, 2011 Quote And Medicare is seen by whom as the biggest demon in our future debts? 'cause I for one do not see it that way. Nor do tens of thousands, if not millions of people in this country. I see the demolition of manufacturing in this country as one of the demons. I see two wars as two of the demons. I see the prison system combined with the 'war on drugs' as one of the demons...... There is no question that the biggest future contributor, by far, to our annual deficit and therefore national debt, is Medicare. Social Security is scary enough, but it is completely dwarfed by MC. And it doesn't matter how many people like the service - they just aren't aware of the reality of what it will take to pay for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #27 January 27, 2011 QuoteQuote And Medicare is seen by whom as the biggest demon in our future debts? 'cause I for one do not see it that way. Nor do tens of thousands, if not millions of people in this country. I see the demolition of manufacturing in this country as one of the demons. I see two wars as two of the demons. I see the prison system combined with the 'war on drugs' as one of the demons...... There is no question that the biggest future contributor, by far, to our annual deficit and therefore national debt, is Medicare. Social Security is scary enough, but it is completely dwarfed by MC. And it doesn't matter how many people like the service - they just aren't aware of the reality of what it will take to pay for it. Blind squirrel effect strikes again. Any party (Tea or otherwise) that claims it can make significant spending cuts without cutting Medicare, SS and/or defense is deceiving the electorate.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #28 January 28, 2011 Quote Blind squirrel effect strikes again. losing your subtlety, grampa simpson. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #29 January 28, 2011 Quote Quote Blind squirrel effect strikes again. losing your subtlety, grampa simpson. Well, it could also be the stopped clock effect.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #30 January 28, 2011 Quote Hopefully after this fails, they will realize that the "Medicare for all" plan would probably be the best and the cheapest option for everyone. It's not going to fail. The private insurance industry is going to thrive even more with the government requiring all Americans to buy their product and offering government subsidies for those that may have a hard time managing with just their own pay checks. Medicare for everyone would deprive the health insurance industry of its profits and reduce campaign contributions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #31 January 28, 2011 It will not fail for the corporations, but it will fail for the American people (most likely). There is still hope that the people come to their senses and choose a govt willing to mandate single payer Medicare, whatever you want to call it for everyone. We did it in 1965, and we created Society Security for all. We can do this too. It will just take time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #32 January 28, 2011 QuoteIt will not fail for the corporations, but it will fail for the American people (most likely). There is still hope that the people come to their senses and choose a govt willing to mandate single payer Medicare, whatever you want to call it for everyone. We did it in 1965, and we created Society Security for all. We can do this too. It will just take time Not as long as those who are the most vociferous opponents have healthcare that they BELIEVE will work for them when the time comes. I cant wait to see their reaction when the insurance company DEATH PANELS get their paperwork after an accident or some life threatening illness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #33 January 28, 2011 there is no such thing as a 'death panel'. There never was, and there never will be. It is a fictional entity made up by the right wing to scare people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #34 January 28, 2011 Quotethere is no such thing as a 'death panel'. There never was, and there never will be. It is a fictional entity made up by the right wing to scare people. I think the insurance companies already have them ... and once they put you on a list with a "pre-existing condition" it is tantamount to the same thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #35 January 28, 2011 Quotethere is no such thing as a 'death panel'. There never was, and there never will be. It is a fictional entity made up by the right wing to scare people. Tell it to Dr. Emmanuel.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #36 January 28, 2011 Quotethere is no such thing as a 'death panel'. There never was, and there never will be. It is a fictional entity made up by the right wing to scare people. so, you're labeling Amazon as Right Wing now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #37 January 28, 2011 QuoteQuotethere is no such thing as a 'death panel'. There never was, and there never will be. It is a fictional entity made up by the right wing to scare people. so, you're labeling Amazon as Right Wing now? Amazon is a mystery, wrapped in an enigma and angrily dressed in red. I think her politics vary according to the subject and I've seen her fall on topics to the right and left depending on the subject. The only thing consistent is she's passionate about them all past a certain point and will play devil's advocate a lot just to poke buttons. People aren't that easy to bin up - I wouldn't go bucketing Jeanne in any easily defined stereotype. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #38 January 28, 2011 Quote I wouldn't go bucketing Jeanne in any easily defined stereotype. Aw go ahead. It pisses her off and that's fun to watch...from a distance...behind a secure door...using an assumed name You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #39 January 29, 2011 Quote We did it in 1965, and we created Society Security for all. We can do this too. It will just take time And we ALL see how great that turned out for you guysKevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
