dreamdancer 0 #1 January 22, 2011 sickening... QuoteIn 2004, state-run supermaxes in 44 states held about 25,000 people, according to Daniel Mears, a Florida State University criminologist who has done the most careful count. Mears told me his number was conservative. In addition the federal system has a big supermax in Colorado, ADX Florence, and a total of about 11,000 inmates in solitary in all its lockups, according to the Bureau of Prisons. Some researchers peg the state and federal supermax total as high as a hundred thousand; their studies sometimes include more broadly defined “control units”—for example, those in which men spend all day in a cell with another prisoner. (Nationally, 91 percent of prison and jail inmates are men, so overwhelmingly men fill the supermaxes. Women also are kept in supermax conditions, but apparently no one has estimated how many.) Then there are the county and city jails, the most sizable of which have large solitary-confinement sections. Although the roughness in what prisoners call “the hole” varies from prison to prison and jail to jail, isolation is the overwhelming, defining punishment in this vast network of what critics have begun to call mass torture. http://www.alternet.org/rights/149233/americans_face_guantanamo-like_torture_everyday_in_a_super-max_prison_near_you/stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #2 January 22, 2011 Quotesickening... QuoteIn 2004, state-run supermaxes in 44 states held about 25,000 people, according to Daniel Mears, a Florida State University criminologist who has done the most careful count. Mears told me his number was conservative. In addition the federal system has a big supermax in Colorado, ADX Florence, and a total of about 11,000 inmates in solitary in all its lockups, according to the Bureau of Prisons. Some researchers peg the state and federal supermax total as high as a hundred thousand; their studies sometimes include more broadly defined “control units”—for example, those in which men spend all day in a cell with another prisoner. (Nationally, 91 percent of prison and jail inmates are men, so overwhelmingly men fill the supermaxes. Women also are kept in supermax conditions, but apparently no one has estimated how many.) Then there are the county and city jails, the most sizable of which have large solitary-confinement sections. Although the roughness in what prisoners call “the hole” varies from prison to prison and jail to jail, isolation is the overwhelming, defining punishment in this vast network of what critics have begun to call mass torture. http://www.alternet.org/rights/149233/americans_face_guantanamo-like_torture_everyday_in_a_super-max_prison_near_you/ So - you think that Murder and violence isn't? Come on over - I am sure we can find you a bunk.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #3 January 22, 2011 You do realize that almost in every case, the prisoner is sent there for his conduct in prisons, not for the crime he was convicted of, right? That means that assaults on guards, murders, escape attempts, and things like that while incarcerated, lead to folks being shipped to a super max. Don't act like an animal, and they won't have to treat you like one. How many in super-max aren't there for multiple murders and attacks in prison? Or ordering hits on prisoners? Or running criminal networks? The answer is very very few. ps - how does protecting other inmates from these savages by locking them in solo cells constitute torture? Three hots and a cot, medical care, and protection of and from others. Where's the torture?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #4 January 22, 2011 Don't worry, Kennedy. Just because they get put in Supermaxes because of their demonstrated danger to whomever they come across doesn't mean that they should not be put in with others. The extreme threats to others does nto mean that they should be denied access to other victims people. Treating a homicidal maniac victim of Reagan/Bush like a homicidal maniac is unfair and constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #5 January 23, 2011 I have to agree with the others. These people are only in solitary because they can't or won't follow the rules. Just like a child is punished for bad behavior, these people must also be. Most have no respect for anyone or anything and must be caged to protect guards and other inmates. What options do they give us? not many.You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #6 January 23, 2011 LMAO!!! You're joking, right?-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #7 January 23, 2011 the Unabomber is in a supermax in Colorado. he is disappointed that his brother refuses to open any mail from him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #8 January 23, 2011 Quote LMAO!!! You're joking, right? I'm afraid not. He is serious. But I think his comparison is hilarious! HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #9 January 23, 2011 torture is sickening - whoever is doing it stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #10 January 23, 2011 Quote torture is sickening - whoever is doing it But how some people define as torture can be hilarious. So, in this thread You're wrong-glad I could clear that up for you There HAS to be legitimate issues you can direct your righteous indignation toward-why do you focus on this crap?You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #11 January 23, 2011 someone has to put your nose in your dirt..stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdamLanes 1 #12 January 23, 2011 Quotetorture is sickening - whoever is doing it I wholeheartedly agree. The entire "justice" system in the United States of America is a total disgrace. Quotethe U.S. incarceration rate now is nearly four times what it was in 1980, more than five times the world average, and the highest in the world So much for living in a "free" country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #13 January 23, 2011 Quote Quote torture is sickening - whoever is doing it But how some people define as torture can be hilarious. So, in this thread You're wrong-glad I could clear that up for you There HAS to be legitimate issues you can direct your righteous indignation toward-why do you focus on this crap? It works well with that Hate America early and Hate America Often stance, and getting more of those "ideas" on Fridays from certain segments of the world population. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #14 January 24, 2011 I have found it evident that most of those those that understand what the prisoners are about, and understand what the prisoners are capable of, only defend them when they are family in that situation.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #15 January 24, 2011 Quotesomeone has to put your nose in your dirt.. I've had better luck with my nose to the grindstone making my situation better instead of hoping some entity or organization will take from those who HAVE earned and give to those that haven't.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #16 January 24, 2011 I disagree. We are imprisoning our fellow citizens for more and more less serious crimes than ever. The majority of those are incapable of mounting a proper defense against 'the system' with it's endless and bottomless resources. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #17 January 24, 2011 Quote I disagree. We are imprisoning our fellow citizens for more and more less serious crimes than ever. The majority of those are incapable of mounting a proper defense against 'the system' with it's endless and bottomless resources. I think you are confusing State, County, and city jails with the Supermax Prisons that this threda is about. I do not disagree that there are WAY too many citizens in jail for crimes that are too minor and non-violent. But I don't think there is even ONE person in a SM prison that was not at least extremely violent in their acts, wether it was before or after they were incarcerated.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #18 January 24, 2011 Quotesickening... QuoteIn 2004, state-run supermaxes in 44 states held about 25,000 people, according to Daniel Mears, a Florida State University criminologist who has done the most careful count. Mears told me his number was conservative. In addition the federal system has a big supermax in Colorado, ADX Florence, and a total of about 11,000 inmates in solitary in all its lockups, according to the Bureau of Prisons. Some researchers peg the state and federal supermax total as high as a hundred thousand; their studies sometimes include more broadly defined “control units”—for example, those in which men spend all day in a cell with another prisoner. (Nationally, 91 percent of prison and jail inmates are men, so overwhelmingly men fill the supermaxes. Women also are kept in supermax conditions, but apparently no one has estimated how many.) Then there are the county and city jails, the most sizable of which have large solitary-confinement sections. Although the roughness in what prisoners call “the hole” varies from prison to prison and jail to jail, isolation is the overwhelming, defining punishment in this vast network of what critics have begun to call mass torture. http://www.alternet.org/rights/149233/americans_face_guantanamo-like_torture_everyday_in_a_super-max_prison_near_you/ I'm disappointed, I thought you were going to tell me that that prick Richard Reed is being placed in stress positions on a daily basis and waterborded. Solitary is hardly comparable to Gitmo treatment. I think you're off track on this on mate.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #19 January 24, 2011 Quote I'm disappointed, I thought you were going to tell me that that prick Richard Reed is being placed in stress positions on a daily basis and waterborded. Solitary is hardly comparable to Gitmo treatment. I think you're off track on this on mate. +1 Richard Reed is in the Supermax in Colorado because it's the worst punishment the feds can give him under current laws. A life sentence spent "making big ones into little ones" would be more appropriate, but just keeping him locked up by himself for 23 hours a day is more humane. In a manner of speaking. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #20 January 24, 2011 When the UN looked into supermax type prisons they found them to be "inhuman and degrading". Sensory deprivation seclusion to the point of insanity is not humane nor right in my mind. Now throw back the argument of the crimes they have committed....then it becomes vengeance on our part to torture them to insanity. Inhumane. No matter their crime. Two wrongs do not make it right in my mind. Some of the violence that they have caused after incarceration stems from trying to defend themselves in the predatory environment the corrections system creates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #21 January 24, 2011 QuoteWhen the UN looked into supermax type prisons they found them to be "inhuman and degrading". Sensory deprivation seclusion to the point of insanity is not humane nor right in my mind. Now throw back the argument of the crimes they have committed....then it becomes vengeance on our part to torture them to insanity. Inhumane. No matter their crime. Two wrongs do not make it right in my mind. Some of the violence that they have caused after incarceration stems from trying to defend themselves in the predatory environment the corrections system creates. Ok - then lets Abort them.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #22 January 24, 2011 Sure. The whole 'they are less than we are so let's eliminate them' approach. Historically that's always worked well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #23 January 24, 2011 Quote Sure. The whole 'they are less than we are so let's eliminate them' approach. Historically that's always worked well. Which would you rather have still alive on this earth? A) Baby who has done nothing but been conceived B) Violent MurdererI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #24 January 24, 2011 Have you discovered the perfessersz 'magic mental mind reading future nutter discovery tool'??? Because there is always the chance that both of your options are one and the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #25 January 24, 2011 QuoteHave you discovered the perfessersz 'magic mental mind reading future nutter discovery tool'??? Because there is always the chance that both of your options are one and the same. The odds are so far against #1, and already proven in #2 . . . I would bet my life savings on the roll of those dice.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
