rushmc 23 #1 January 21, 2011 QuoteVirginia Bill Would Require Schools to Keep Tabs on Cost of Illegal Immigrant Students QuoteTodd Gilbert, a member of the Virginia House of Delegates, said under his bill illegal immigrant students will retain the right to receive a public school education but that Virginia taxpayers have a right to know how much the country's "broken immigration system” is costing them. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/20/virginia-require-schools-tabs-cost-illegal-students/#"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 January 21, 2011 I don't know the laws in Virginia, but is it legal there to ask whether a student has legal immigration status or not? If not, I don't see how the schools would be able to comply.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #3 January 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteVirginia Bill Would Require Schools to Keep Tabs on Cost of Illegal Immigrant Students QuoteTodd Gilbert, a member of the Virginia House of Delegates, said under his bill illegal immigrant students will retain the right to receive a public school education but that Virginia taxpayers have a right to know how much the country's "broken immigration system” is costing them. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/20/virginia-require-schools-tabs-cost-illegal-students/# With respect to this Forum, and your Post, only about 7-10 replys, TOPS. A majority of Americans are greatly concerned about the cost of Illegal Immigration. However many of our politicians, George Bush, Barak Obama, media, elitist, and a great deal of americans...it's not even on their Radar so to speak. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craterpond 0 #4 January 21, 2011 QuoteI don't know the laws in Virginia, but is it legal there to ask whether a student has legal immigration status or not? If not, I don't see how the schools would be able to comply. First law that should be changed, that should be a LEGAL question everywhere within the US.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 January 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteI don't know the laws in Virginia, but is it legal there to ask whether a student has legal immigration status or not? If not, I don't see how the schools would be able to comply. First law that should be changed, that should be a LEGAL question everywhere within the US.... So, let me get this straight . . . You think that the solution to immigration problems is to punish kids that have no control over it whatsoever? To handicap them in life by denying them an education based on something that is no fault of their own? I don't think you're going to find a universal support for that idea nation-wide.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #6 January 21, 2011 Why is it illegal to ask someone's status? I know that's being debated due to Arizona's recent laws. Did the SCOTUS rule it illegal to ask? The sad part is that collecting that information will create additional costs for no public benefit other than satisfying curiosity. If you want to help the problem, stop giving benefits to illegal aliens. Don't just note that they are stealing.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #7 January 21, 2011 QuoteSo, let me get this straight . . . You think that the solution to immigration problems is to punish kids that have no control over it whatsoever? To handicap them in life by denying them an education based on something that is no fault of their own? I don't think you're going to find a universal support for that idea nation-wide. Illegal Alien... not allowed to be in the country. Child of Illegal Alien... not allowed to be in the country. Deportation... Can you explain to me how this is more complicated? I live in Virginia. No, I do not want to pay for children of Illegal Aliens to go to school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #8 January 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't know the laws in Virginia, but is it legal there to ask whether a student has legal immigration status or not? If not, I don't see how the schools would be able to comply. First law that should be changed, that should be a LEGAL question everywhere within the US.... So, let me get this straight . . . You think that the solution to immigration problems is to punish kids that have no control over it whatsoever? To handicap them in life by denying them an education based on something that is no fault of their own? I don't think you're going to find a universal support for that idea nation-wide. even the DREAM act failed, so I think you'll find that support for educating illegal aliens, esp in the public universities, is pretty low. Given how competitive admissions has gotten at the top state schools, this is especially true. Every illegal alien attending Cal is taking a place away from a legal state resident. Of course these kids are stuck in a bad spot. But to give them a pass because their parents brought them when they were 6 just encourages more parents to do the same, outside of the regulated legal immigration process. ---- As for the bill, what's the point? As noted already, they can already make this estimation. If they knew for certain that given students aren't legal residents, they can expel them. But just counting and multiplying by cost - it's a nothing bill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #9 January 21, 2011 >Illegal Alien... not allowed to be in the country. >Child of Illegal Alien... not allowed to be in the country. Actually children of illegal aliens born here are allowed to be here. But assuming you mean "children born outside the US" . . . >Deportation... >Can you explain to me how this is more complicated? It's easy when the person to be deported is a hated hispanic migrant worker. It's a bit more complicated when she's a brilliant and successful high school student with scholarships to college who didn't know she _was_ an illegal immigrant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #10 January 21, 2011 How about blaming the parents for subjecting their children to this for a change? Perhaps if they understand what they are going to subject their children to, they will come here through legal channels. Radical thinking, I know. How about we start putting the blame where it belongs? On the criminals for a change. Where I live in Prince William County, Virginia, it IS legal to ask a persons immigration status if they are legally detained for another reason such as a traffic stop or suspicion of commiting a crime. In fact, it's required of a Police Officer. It is also legal to check a persons legal immigration status if they are arrested for a crime. If that person is here illegally, ICE is notified and the person is turned over to them. This has resulted in a huge drop in the crime rate. Especially violent crime. There was a massive exodus of these criminals when this law went into effect several years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #11 January 21, 2011 Quoteeven the DREAM act failed, The DREAM act... what a joke. Go to school for two years and you can be an American. Are you kidding me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #12 January 21, 2011 Ummmm....this is a common thing? Just for comparison; is there much difference between the parent stealing and the parent sending the child to steal? Stealing services and benefits is stealing.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #13 January 21, 2011 Quote It's easy when the person to be deported is a hated hispanic migrant worker. It's a bit more complicated when she's a brilliant and successful high school student with scholarships to college who didn't know she _was_ an illegal immigrant. They know. It's tough for them because they are generally not eligible for the vast majority of scholarships, and in general are not in a high income family. So most of them hustle pretty hard to earn money to make it through school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #14 January 21, 2011 QuoteWhy is it illegal to ask someone's status? I know that's being debated due to Arizona's recent laws. Did the SCOTUS rule it illegal to ask? See Plyer vs Doe and that was 1982 about much the same thing in Texas.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #15 January 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteWhy is it illegal to ask someone's status? I know that's being debated due to Arizona's recent laws. Did the SCOTUS rule it illegal to ask? See Plyer vs Doe and that was 1982 about much the same thing in Texas. An interesting and disturbing case. I can't shepardize it. But there was no mention of asking about legal status. This case only says the state's law prohibiting public education of illegal aliens was not constitutional.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #16 January 21, 2011 Quote Actually children of illegal aliens born here are allowed to be here. But assuming you mean "children born outside the US" . . . You know damn well, that was not put in place to allow illegal aliens to cross the border and then have a baby to obtain citizenship for the child. Manipulation of the Constitution/system. That too needs to be changed. Quote >Deportation... >Can you explain to me how this is more complicated? It's easy when the person to be deported is a hated hispanic migrant worker. It's a bit more complicated when she's a brilliant and successful high school student with scholarships to college who didn't know she _was_ an illegal immigrant. I don't hate legal Hispanic migrant workers See, here as well, lets stick to principle first and foremost. Is that my fault? Or is it her parents fault? Regulate - "Maintain Regularity" Equal Justice Under the Law - God's Law Who broke the law? I didn't... yet I have to pay for them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #17 January 22, 2011 Asking immigration status is done all the time for various reasons in Virginia--e.g. some police departments ask at some for their stops (agreement w/ federal ICE), social service departments confirm eligibility when people apply for benefits, etc. There are currently no provisions either to require or prohibit school administrators from asking immigration status in Virginia as far as I can tell. This bill doesn't do anything to effect anybody's eligibility for public education. I'm not sure what the point is."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HandsomeSalad 0 #18 January 22, 2011 QuoteStealing services and benefits is stealing. Stealing California, Texas, Central American economies etc is stealing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #19 January 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteStealing services and benefits is stealing. Stealing California, Texas, Central American economies etc is stealing. Not according to the law.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 January 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteStealing services and benefits is stealing. Stealing California, Texas, Central American economies etc is stealing. It this English (either British or American)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HandsomeSalad 0 #21 January 22, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Stealing services and benefits is stealing. Stealing California, Texas, Central American economies etc is stealing. It this English (either British or American)? It this English? Is that English? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #22 January 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteVirginia Bill Would Require Schools to Keep Tabs on Cost of Illegal Immigrant Students QuoteTodd Gilbert, a member of the Virginia House of Delegates, said under his bill illegal immigrant students will retain the right to receive a public school education but that Virginia taxpayers have a right to know how much the country's "broken immigration system” is costing them. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/20/virginia-require-schools-tabs-cost-illegal-students/# According to Earl Pitts, American, to keep from offending them, we could call them "Transmexuals."Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
