Ever Used Illegal Drugs? Then No Guns For You!

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Seems like our current president admitted to illegal drug use.

Alcohol is a drug that is abused quite a bit. Would a prior DUI (proof of abuse) disqualify you for a firearm?

I would bet large sums of money that many on capital hill did illegal drugs in their youth.

I am one of the very few people I have ever known that has never done an illegal substance.

How far would you like to step down this slope?

Felony DUI does, unless otherwise stipulated in the sentence and conviction, preclude someone from owning a firearm.

I have heard that the felony ban can be waived , or somehow court ordered as null though.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Hmm.... trying to think of anyone I know who has never broken _any_ laws........

Can't think of even one.

I don't suppose you are forgetting Barry and his cocaine use are you?

Well, I don't personally know him. But if I did, yes, I'd lump him in with all of the other not-so-law-abiding people that I know. Though I do have to say that his personal cocaine use is less of a concern to me than the behavior of my friends who drive 90 in a 65 (sometimes while texting!). The latter shows not only a disrespect for the law, but also a disregard for others' lives, so I would be more concerned with those folks being allowed to have guns.

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Hmm.... trying to think of anyone I know who has never broken _any_ laws........

Can't think of even one.

I don't suppose you are forgetting Barry and his cocaine use are you?

Well, I don't personally know him. But if I did, yes, I'd lump him in with all of the other not-so-law-abiding people that I know. Though I do have to say that his personal cocaine use is less of a concern to me than the behavior of my friends who drive 90 in a 65 (sometimes while texting!). The latter shows not only a disrespect for the law, but also a disregard for others' lives, so I would be more concerned with those folks being allowed to have guns.

I don't think there has ever been a texting while CCWing incidednt specifically.

I think I would be more inclined to have them CCW while texting then say - going to a College that teaches False History, and then giving a gun to that student..

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Then No Guns For You!

But can I still get soup?

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[dmcoco84 5]

The Controlled Substance Act is Unconstitutional.

The Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 is Unconstitutional.

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Seems like our current president admitted to illegal drug use.

Alcohol is a drug that is abused quite a bit. Would a prior DUI (proof of abuse) disqualify you for a firearm?

Only if state law in the jurisdiction where you were convicted allowed for imprisonment for at least one year plus a day, even if you got probation.

Alcoholics who have not been convicted of felony DUI (conviction in a state that only allows one year in jail is OK) are not prohibited from owning guns because the law specifically says "controlled substance" which is legally defined to exclude "distilled spirits, wine, and malt beverages".

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how about the person who already has a legal firearm or many,,,
If they are convicted of a felony, whether a firearm was used in it's comission or not...
I am guessing that they Lose those rights.. correct?
what about the guns they own(ed)?? does someone go and "take them"??? do they "give 'em to their pals, do they sell them???
Does the licensing system include ANY sort of inventory of the guns that are Legally in citizens hands, here in our country....??Is there a limit on the # of guns a person can own?

Or can you just go to store, show a license,, and make a purchase?
can you buy more than say, three guns at a time? can you buy half a dozen??

serious questions, thanks

jt

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I have read of cases where the guns were confiscated by the local authorities but I also know a couple of guys that had a window of time to sell off the ones they had.
Maybe it depends on the charges and how it all goes down.

[jimmytavino 16]

does it vary from state to state..
how about the # of guns allowed...?
sorry to be so ignorant about it...

j

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Gun purchase form 4473, question "e": "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana, or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"

Yep, if you smoke marijuana, you are not allowed to own a gun. You don't have to be an addict, just occasional usage is enough to invoke the prohibition. Stupid law?

Do we want federal employees running around putting people on no-gun lists who admit this practice to them? Stupid idea?

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I know it doesn't in FL!
I sold my very large refrigerator size gun safe to a friend of mine after getting tired of hauling around the weight when I moved.
It was his third such gun safe and he STILL had an armory in his attic.
I had that safe when my kids were growing up...for obvious reasons.
Every time I see the evening news and some "cache of weapons!!!' is found in a neighborhood, I kinda giggle.
I know LOTS of people with those in their homes.
They have yet to kill anybody.

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But I have such little respect for the drug laws, that I don't think of a drug user as a serious criminal.

Someone who smokes weed and possesses a firearm isn't nearly as scary a scenario as someone who does harder drugs and is in possess of a firearm. "Drug Usage" is a rather generic term.

I would much rather have a stoned hippy with a glock, then a drunk redneck with a shotgun.

Our drug laws are asinine.

Alcohol and opiates, while legal, are just as bad if not worse than many of the illegal drugs.

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Our drug laws are asinine.

I do agree that drug laws regarding weed are asinine. Weed should be treated in the same manner that alcohol and tobacco are treated. But that is about as far as I would go. I will never agree that drugs such as cocaine (or other chemicals should be legalized). But don't fool yourself into thinking weed is harmless. I know from personal experience exactly what everyday "wake and bake" weed consumption does to you. It is a harmful substance and only should be used at best in moderation. 'Shrooms on the other hand are a beautiful thing (as long as you don't poison yourself with the wrong ones).

Oh and to get back on topic, whoever would check off "I am a drug user" on any application is not playing with a full deck. As long as you are not being blood tested, checking off "I do drugs" on any application just sends red flags to the bureaucrats processing these application to instantly reject you no matter what you or they think about something like weed.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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Our drug laws are asinine.

I do agree that drug laws regarding weed are asinine. Weed should be treated in the same manner that alcohol and tobacco are treated. But that is about as far as I would go. I will never agree that drugs such as cocaine (or other chemicals should be legalized). But don't fool yourself into thinking weed is harmless. I know from personal experience exactly what everyday "wake and bake" weed consumption does to you. It is a harmful substance and only should be used at best in moderation. 'Shrooms on the other hand are a beautiful thing (as long as you don't poison yourself with the wrong ones).

Oh and to get back on topic, whoever would check off "I am a drug user" on any application is not playing with a full deck. As long as you are not being blood tested, checking off "I do drugs" on any application just sends red flags to the bureaucrats processing these application to instantly reject you no matter what you or they think about something like weed.

That's a ridiculous argument.

Either we have the right to decide what substances we want to use or we don't.

Personally I am sober. I don't drink or use any drugs, besides the occasional aleve. But to suggest that if a drug is bad enough that the person who decides to use it should be imprisoned is insane imo. Especially when viewed with the acknowledgement that alcohol is not only legal but heavily promoted and accepted in our society, while it is arguably much more dangerous than lsd or cocaine.

The government should absolutely not be in charge of what we decide to do to our own bodies.

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Do you know anyone who has fucked up their life (and effected the lives of those close to them) after they have abused something like crack and/or cocaine (or other chemicals)? I know some of these people who have totally fucked themselves up. Oh I know what is coming next ... the good old alcoholics argument. Yes alcohol has harmed tons of people too. Two wrongs don't make a right.

You may want to live in a society where people are free to get high on chemicals. I don't ... spend some time on Vancouver's infamous "Hastings and Main" and then come back and tell me society should legalize chemicals. There are thousands of people like this woman around "Hastings and Main". This isn't Hollywood, this is a real world "Dawn of the Dead" reality for Vancouver's crack addicts.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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... the good old alcoholics argument. Yes alcohol has harmed tons of people too. But two wrongs don't make a right.

Does that mean that you think alcohol should be illegal? Or are you OK with drug laws being inconsistent? (In the U.S., alcohol fits the criteria for a Schedule 1 drug, or maybe a Schedule 2 since it does have some medical use.)

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You may want to live in a society where people are free to get high on chemicals.

Alcohol is a chemical.

In theory, I don't think it is the government's place to decide what we can put in our own bodies. But practically, yeah, I'm not sure how it would work to have legal crack, heroin, or meth.

Right now, alcohol causes way more problems than all of the illegal drugs combined. But it's really impossible to compare it with the other drugs.

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Do you know anyone who has fucked up their life (and effected the lives of those close to them) after they have abused something like crack and/or cocaine (or other chemicals)? I know some of these people who have totally fucked themselves up. Oh I know what is coming next ... the good old alcoholics argument. Yes alcohol has harmed tons of people too. Two wrongs don't make a right.

You may want to live in a society where people are free to get high on chemicals. I don't ... spend some time on Vancouver's infamous "Hastings and Main" and then come back and tell me society should legalize chemicals. There are thousands of people like this woman around "Hastings and Main". This isn't Hollywood, this is a real world "Dawn of the Dead" reality for Vancouver's crack addicts.

I know a lot of people that have fucked up their lives on drugs, but I know more people that have fucked up their loves on alcohol.

Shit skydiving kills people we better make that illegal. Can't have kids growing up without daddies.

The government is NOT responsible for protecting us from ourselves.

Funny how you call cocaine a chemical. You do know that cocaine is not synthetic, don't you?

Debating whether drugs are bad or to what degree they are bad is pointless and meaningless.

The question is should the government be responsible for keeping you from doing things that may be bad for you. If you think the answer is yes, than why are cigarettes legal? What about high calorie junk food. Better get a national diet on the books heaven forbid we let people eat a bunch of junk and get obese, oh wait a minute. Uhhh.

Funny thing is that this is another one of those debates that typical conservatard / libdouche lines don't apply. Conservatives always arguing about personal freedom are typically very anti legalization, while libdopes that regularly want the government to take care of people are usually pro legalization. Really shows the hypocrisy of most political philosophy in our country.

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Right now, alcohol causes way more problems than all of the illegal drugs combined. But it's really impossible to compare it with the other drugs.

Technical point; you just did.

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Right now, alcohol causes way more problems than all of the illegal drugs combined. But it's really impossible to compare it with the other drugs.

Technical point; you just did.

True. I guess what I meant is that it's impossible to compare the relative danger of alcohol vs. illegal drugs, since the legal status of alcohol likely accounts for an indeterminable portion of it's status at the top of the drug scourge.

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Spend some time on Vancouver's "Hasting and Main" and then get back to me as to whether or not you feel all drugs should be legalized. Until people actual see this part of Vancouver with their own eyes, they will forever not understand the damage these hard drugs have done to thousands and thousands of people living on the streets as real world "Dawn of the Dead" zombies.

Oh and while we are at it, back on topic ... if people admit on their firearms applications that they are drug users, then they clearly are NOT playing with a full deck.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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Spend some time on Vancouver's "Hasting and Main" and then get back to me as to whether or not you feel all drugs should be legalized. Until people actual see this part of Vancouver with their own eyes, they will forever not understand the damage these hard drugs have done to thousands and thousands of people living on the streets as real world "Dawn of the Dead" zombies.

Oh and while we are at it, back on topic ... if people admit on their firearms applications that they are drug users, then they clearly are NOT playing with a full deck.

better ban skydiving then, cause it actually KILLS people.

http://www.dropzone.com/fatalities/

better yet, better ban guns, cause people kill people with them!

I've spent time in worse places than that shitty part of Vancouver, and I firmly believe that if we spent as much money trying to help people with their drug problems as we do demonizing them and imprisoning them for it that we would be much better off.

As far as this specific topic, anyone that thinks this bill will keep guns out of peoples hands that shouldn't have guns isn't thinking straight.

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i gotta stay out of this forum, too much to get pissed about. the government wants to take all the guns away, then they can get away with anything.

"Never grow a wishbone, where your backbone ought to be."

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better ban skydiving then, cause it actually KILLS people.

ROFLMAO ... do I come off as some WHUFFO to you? Wherever did you get the impression that I would go for such an absurd statement.

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I've spent time in worse places than that shitty part of Vancouver

Must have been in a different part of the world because the "Dawn of the Dead" zombies of "Hastings and Main" are pretty much the worst crack heads in North America. I am not talking property crime here, I am talking about real life "Dawn of the Dead" zombies roaming the streets.

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I firmly believe that if we spent as much money trying to help people with their drug problems as we do demonizing them and imprisoning them

Once again you are demonstrating how little you know about what goes on in Vancouver's Downtown East Side. If these people are being imprisoned for being crack heads, why are there thousands of them roaming the streets? You know the main Vancouver Police station is only one block away from "Hastings and Main".

You don't need to worry these crack heads mugging you, they can't even see two feet in front of themselves. But I see where you are coming from. You want to legalize drugs like crack, allow people to destroy their lives and then spend tons of public money on your feel good "Dawn of the Dead" crack head special interest project. Many of these zombies are beyond help. Many of these zombies have already destroyed their brains and bodies with hard drugs.

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better ban skydiving then, cause it actually KILLS people.

ROFLMAO ... do I come off as some WHUFFO to you? Wherever did you get the impression that I would go for such an absurd statement.

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I've spent time in worse places than that shitty part of Vancouver

Must have been in a different part of the world because the "Dawn of the Dead" zombies of "Hastings and Main" are pretty much the worst crack heads in North America. I am not talking property crime here, I am talking about real life "Dawn of the Dead" zombies roaming the streets.

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I firmly believe that if we spent as much money trying to help people with their drug problems as we do demonizing them and imprisoning them

Once again you are demonstrating how little you know about what goes on in Vancouver's Downtown East Side. If these people are being imprisoned for being crack heads, why are there thousands of them roaming the streets? You know the main Vancouver Police station is only one block away from "Hastings and Main".

You don't need to worry these crack heads mugging you, they can't even see two feet in front of themselves. But I see where you are coming from. You want to legalize drugs like crack, allow people to destroy their lives and then spend tons of public money on your feel good "Dawn of the Dead" crack head special interest project. Many of these zombies are beyond help. Many of these zombies have already destroyed their brains and bodies with hard drugs.

You don't come off like a whuffo, you come off like someone that thinks it's the governments responsibility to keep them from harming themselves in their pursuit of happiness or fun.

I'm pretty sure I've been where you're talking about, and I also lived in Tacoma for a couple years. LOL

Obviously having crack be illegal isn't doing any good, so why not legalize it? Believe it or not I have smoked crack, and it was fun. I didn't turn in to a worthless zombie. My old roomie still smokes rocks and he has had the same job for almost ten years. If you believe that anyone that uses crack should be thrown in prison then your support for current drug laws makes sense. If you think something should be done to try and change the situation you see on the streets then why are you opposed to trying a different route?

Prohibition obviously does not achieve the intended result if in fact the intended result is the reduction of harm caused by illegal drug use.

As far as arrests in vancouver for crack:
http://www.vancouversun.com/jailed+trafficking+crack+Downtown+Eastside+minimart/4046603/story.html
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Cocaine+trafficking+cent+mayor+says/4089483/story.html
related death:
http://www.vancourier.com/news/Bodwell+student+dies+lake+accident/4026147/story.html
http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/energy-resources/Altercation+Calgary+stabbing+death+prosecutor/4087708/story.html

Clearly there is a drug problem that prohibition is not solving

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better ban skydiving then, cause it actually KILLS people.

ROFLMAO ... do I come off as some WHUFFO to you? Wherever did you get the impression that I would go for such an absurd statement.

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I've spent time in worse places than that shitty part of Vancouver

Must have been in a different part of the world because the "Dawn of the Dead" zombies of "Hastings and Main" are pretty much the worst crack heads in North America. I am not talking property crime here, I am talking about real life "Dawn of the Dead" zombies roaming the streets.

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I firmly believe that if we spent as much money trying to help people with their drug problems as we do demonizing them and imprisoning them

Once again you are demonstrating how little you know about what goes on in Vancouver's Downtown East Side. If these people are being imprisoned for being crack heads, why are there thousands of them roaming the streets? You know the main Vancouver Police station is only one block away from "Hastings and Main".

You don't need to worry these crack heads mugging you, they can't even see two feet in front of themselves. But I see where you are coming from. You want to legalize drugs like crack, allow people to destroy their lives and then spend tons of public money on your feel good "Dawn of the Dead" crack head special interest project. Many of these zombies are beyond help. Many of these zombies have already destroyed their brains and bodies with hard drugs.

You don't come off like a whuffo, you come off like someone that thinks it's the governments responsibility to keep them from harming themselves in their pursuit of happiness or fun.

I'm pretty sure I've been where you're talking about, and I also lived in Tacoma for a couple years. LOL

Obviously having crack be illegal isn't doing any good, so why not legalize it? Believe it or not I have smoked crack, and it was fun. I didn't turn in to a worthless zombie. My old roomie still smokes rocks and he has had the same job for almost ten years. If you believe that anyone that uses crack should be thrown in prison then your support for current drug laws makes sense. If you think something should be done to try and change the situation you see on the streets then why are you opposed to trying a different route?

Prohibition obviously does not achieve the intended result if in fact the intended result is the reduction of harm caused by illegal drug use.

As far as arrests in vancouver for crack:
http://www.vancouversun.com/jailed+trafficking+crack+Downtown+Eastside+minimart/4046603/story.html
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Cocaine+trafficking+cent+mayor+says/4089483/story.html
related death:
http://www.vancourier.com/news/Bodwell+student+dies+lake+accident/4026147/story.html
http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/energy-resources/Altercation+Calgary+stabbing+death+prosecutor/4087708/story.html

Clearly there is a drug problem that prohibition is not solving

Be careful what is posted on the internet. But I'll copy and quote this for posterity.

I think there was a guy named PhillyKev that lost his job becuse of posts that he made here - and he was a lawyer.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun