dreamdancer 0 #176 January 21, 2011 Quoteand i'm saying people aren't being rewarded fairly for their labour . . . Even a janitor here gets paid enough to afford a home, food, a TV - that's an incredibly high standard of living compared with the rest of the world. Seems pretty fair to me. i'd prefer the janitor's opinion of fairness over yours...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #177 January 21, 2011 Quote >and i'm saying people aren't being >and it is the super rich who are in the process of trying to destroy the current >system through their own greed. The super rich profit from the current system; you admitted that yourself some time ago. You're starting to go in circles here. only so much profit can be squeezed out of the system - too much (and we've already got to that point) and you get the equivalent of the bp oil disaster or bhopal or many more examples of cost cutting and excessive profit taking...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #178 January 21, 2011 QuoteOr you could start doing that yourself. You're rich by worldwide standards; you can afford to skydive. How about taking some of that disposable cash and distributing it to all those people you think are being treated unfairly by rich people like yourself? i'm not dead yet... (but i'm willing to pay a fair inheritance/estate tax)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #179 January 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteChristianity "The eye of a needle" is part of a saying of Jesus recorded in the synoptic gospels: ...I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Parallel versions appear in Matthew 19:23-24, Mark 10:24-25, and Luke 18:24-25. The saying was a response to a young rich man who had asked Jesus what he needed to do in order to inherit eternal life. Jesus replied that he should keep the commandments, to which the man stated he had done. Jesus responded, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." The young man became sad and was unwilling to do this. Jesus then spoke this response, leaving his disciples astonished. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_a_needle odd that no-one's commented on this post. i thought the us was an avowedly 'christian' country? still no comments? are the christians here happy that millions of the rich and their progeny are going to be eternally damned?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #180 January 21, 2011 "Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?" Have a nice day.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #181 January 21, 2011 Quote"Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?" Have a nice day. so, no sensible reply then. i think jesus was quite explicit for once with his warning to the rich. none of this 'now what did he mean by that parable/quote' nonsense. if you're rich you're almost certainly going to be eternally damned. don't you agree?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #182 January 21, 2011 Maybe most of us don't give a shit about something a prophet said 2000 years ago. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #183 January 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteOr you could start doing that yourself. You're rich by worldwide standards; you can afford to skydive. How about taking some of that disposable cash and distributing it to all those people you think are being treated unfairly by rich people like yourself? i'm not dead yet... (but i'm willing to pay a fair inheritance/estate tax) The dead don't pay the tax. Their survivors do.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #184 January 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteExcept you forgot your point that rich people dislike educated people. as a class they do of course... So we have come full circle. Several people here have shown how you are wrong, you have failed to give even a single example to back your claim. You just keep beating on that horse.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #185 January 21, 2011 Quote You just keep beating on that horse. i never touched you stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #186 January 21, 2011 QuoteIf you read the papers or watch the news, you will see an anti-public service union story almost everyday. These are the people who teach your kids, pick up the trash, clean the sewers, drive the buses and trains, they’re the police and fireman. The stories will tell you their pension fund liabilities will bankrupt the states; that it’s unionized teachers who have ruined our schools. Charter schools – without unions – are the new favorite charity for billionaires. When a country is, or becomes, a third-world country, the other thing people can do is run. To some place richer and freer. Like America. But when America becomes Mexico, where you gonna run to? http://www.alternet.org/economy/149531/the_class_war_launched_by_america%27s_wealthiest_is_getting_more_savage/?page=2stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #187 January 21, 2011 QuoteA scare came last month when tests administered by the Organization of Economic Co-operation and Development showed 15-year olds from Shanghai coming top in maths, science and reading. America’s lot didn’t make the top ten. The academic performance of a bunch of teenagers won’t have made it on to the agenda of President Hu and President Obama. Global trade imbalances, North Korea and human rights got their first. That should disappoint US business leaders and workers alike. About half of the country’s businesses complained in a recent survey that they can’t find the skills they need, according to the Business Roundtable, the US equivalent of the CBI. And education rivals even the deficit as a pet subject of chief executives. Jeff Immelt, who runs GE, said this month there needs to be a "call to arms". http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/richard-blackden/8272037/Americas-economic-soul-searching-isnt-putting-off-the-Chinese.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #188 January 21, 2011 QuoteThe dead don't pay the tax. Their survivors do. Exactly. And likely on money/wealth that has already been taxed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #189 January 21, 2011 QuoteYou just keep beating on that horse. loumeinhart: "Belgian Draft, what IS that thing??" Beligian_Draft: I dunno Louie, looks like it was some kind of animal, maybe even a horse..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #190 January 21, 2011 Quote Quote You just keep beating on that horse. loumeinhart: "Belgian Draft, what IS that thing??" Beligian_Draft: I dunno Louie, looks like it was some kind of animal, maybe even a horse..." Not to much left of it, is there? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #191 January 21, 2011 I get a kick out of the title to this thread Because of course the wealthy are getting more savage. They have to or the leaches will take from those who earn and give it to lazy ass bums Very obvious by just following this thread huh....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #192 January 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteYet at the university level, the world sends its best and brightest over. and richest... (cambridge and oxford do quite well too) QuoteWhy do you deflect? Are you of the opinion that, if it is OK for them, then it is OK for you? Or, and I think this is more correct, it is NOT ok for them, but it is still ok for you. Taking money for nothing is still stealing, any way you look at it. Soooo - are you going to respond - or CAN you respond, logically, on topic, and honestly?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #193 January 21, 2011 >are the christians here happy that millions of the rich and their >progeny are going to be eternally damned? Proverbs 13:11: Wealth gained by dishonesty will be diminished, But he who gathers by labor will increase. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #194 January 21, 2011 >i'm not dead yet... Right. And indeed, being one of the very few people with enough disposable, unneeded income to be able to skydive, you are the super-rich to the rest of the world. Why should the super-rich such as yourself be able to skydive while people starve? How is that fair? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #195 January 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe dead don't pay the tax. Their survivors do. Exactly. And likely on money/wealth that has already been taxed. Money isn't taxed, people(or transactions) are taxed. Following your logic, sales tax is tax on money already taxed. Property tax is tax on money already taxed, excise tax on booze and gasoline is tax on money already taxed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #196 January 21, 2011 Quote. Taking money for nothing is still stealing, any way you look at it. All taxes are stealing by that definition. Which makes it a really useless definition.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #197 January 21, 2011 QuoteQuote. Taking money for nothing is still stealing, any way you look at it. All taxes are stealing by that definition. Which makes it a really useless definition. Not all taxes - just some. For instance, the ones that pissed us off and led to us kicking King Georges ass! It is called taxation without representation.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #198 January 21, 2011 Quote Quote Quote . Taking money for nothing is still stealing, any way you look at it. All taxes are stealing by that definition. Which makes it a really useless definition. Not all taxes - just some. For instance, the ones that pissed us off and led to us kicking King Georges ass! It is called taxation without representation. So all taxes collected on aliens and foreign corporations are stealing? Sales tax I pay when in other states is stealing? Last time I looked at a history book, it appeared that King George paid the cost of expelling the French from North America, so clearly the colonists got something (defense) in return.You need to rethink your position.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #199 January 21, 2011 >Not all taxes - just some. >For instance, the ones that pissed us off and led to us kicking King Georges >ass! >It is called taxation without representation Fair enough. Restrict all taxes to citizens only. Aliens pay no sales, income or SS tax. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #200 January 21, 2011 Quote>Not all taxes - just some. >For instance, the ones that pissed us off and led to us kicking King Georges >ass! >It is called taxation without representation Fair enough. Restrict all taxes to citizens only. Aliens pay no sales, income or SS tax. Don't forget income taxes paid in a city where you work but don't reside.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
