All you ever wanted to know about AGW

[brenthutch 444]

The last two years of debate wrapped up in 5 min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdxaxJNs15s

(Bill Von, Kalland, Amazon and Quade are represended by the woman.)

[RonD1120 62]

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The last two years of debate wrapped up in 5 min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdxaxJNs15s

(Bill Von, Kalland, Amazon and Quade are represended by the woman.)

Last night's news indicated that FL is the only state without snow and assorted cold miserable weather. Does this mean that AGW is just gathering resources for the BIG thaw? Yeah, that's the ticket.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Because I an NOT a "Climate Change Religious" follower, I find humor in the video you posted. Of course the "Climate Change Religious" people will not find humor in it. But there was a documentary video on YouTube that was in the related videos list next to the video you posted. This video was recorded from the CBC (I am actually shocked it aired on the CBC as they are one of the biggest "Climate Change" pushers around). but nevertheless at some point in time the CBC did air this documentary (good on them) someone recorded it and posted it on YouTube.

If people can spare 44 minutes of their life they should watch it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzZdAfx37d8&feature=related

oh and by all means watch this video and please watch Al Gore's Hollywood Academy award winning movie at the same time. I don't think it matters if people watch this documentary first and then watch Al Gore's movie or visa-versa. The message here is make sure you get your media from more than one source. To only listen to one source is a mistake.

If people believe in evolution they will know life on this planet has adapted over billions of years as the planet has changed. Life one million years from now will be very different just as it will be very different one billion years from now. But life will exist on this planet one billion years from now. Life will find a way to evolve to an ever changing planet no matter what dooms day scenario Al Gore and the rest of Hollywood wants you to believe. Life on this planet will only cease to exist when that big ball in the sky 93 million miles away from us burns up. That is when life on planet earth will cease to exist. I wonder if Hollywood is planning on making a movie about that event? Probably not since it would not fit into the their social engineering agenda.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[billvon 3,120]

Funny! Now if the climate would just cooperate and stop doing it's progressive liberal warming thing, all would be well. Perhaps a few more political speeches and a poll or two, and the climate will finally listen to rhetoric and stop with the whole physics thing.

[popsjumper 2]

What I would like to know is:

How long will it be before we see a change that actually affects our way of living?

Corollaries:
- When will we see ocean levels rise to the point of coastal areas being affected to the point of people having to move?

- When will we see temperatures rise to the point of food production being reduced to the point of being unable to feed the population?

- etc.

My lifetime? My kids lifetime? Their kids lifetime? Hundreds of years? Never?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[brenthutch 444]

Yes we just have to drive plug in cars, use poisonous light bulbs and pay $500 per month in electricity bills then everything will be just fine.

[billvon 3,120]

>How long will it be before we see a change that actually affects our way
>of living?

If it changes slowly enough, we'll be able to adapt here in the US. Agriculture will gradually move north, Socal will live with less water (fewer lawns, pools etc) shippers will start using the Northwest Passage. Which is a good reason to not hurry it along as quickly as we possibly can.

>When will we see temperatures rise to the point of food production being
> reduced to the point of being unable to feed the population?

Food production will drop slightly as agriculture moves. Here in the US we won't see too much change (other than perhaps some farmers moving to Canada, and the end of agriculture in places like El Centro.) In places like India that are already stretched we'll see more drought and famine.

The politically correct way to consider what happens to them is that "they will adapt." What will actually happen is that they will either increase their food supply or die, which (unfortunately) also solves the problem.

[billvon 3,120]

>Yes we just have to drive plug in cars

Lots of them here where I work. They work pretty well. (And a few of them will blow the doors off most anything else on the road.)

>use poisonous light bulbs

LED's poisonous? No more so than, say, cellphones.

>and pay $500 per month in electricity bills

I pay $5 a month and get all the power I need from the sun. You can pay $500 a month if you like. Not sure why you would want to, but it's a free country.

[mnealtx 0]

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Funny! Now if the climate would just cooperate and stop doing it's progressive liberal warming thing, all would be well. Perhaps a few more political speeches and a poll or two, and the climate will finally listen to rhetoric and stop with the whole physics thing.

Temp anomaly is down 8.14% from the 1998 peak, while CO2 is 6.76% higher - looks like you got your wish.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[brenthutch 444]

You miss the point.
How many plug in cars, LED bulbs, and solar panels do we have to buy before the oceans cease rising and the planet starts healingl?

[billvon 3,120]

>How many plug in cars, LED bulbs, and solar panels do we have to buy before the
>oceans cease rising and the planet starts healing?

Quite a few!

BTW the planet isn't going to "heal." There's no standard of health for the planet, just a physical equilibrium. It follows physical laws, not biological ones. If we change the physical environment of the planet, that equilibrium will change and it will settle into a new equilibrium. If we change the environment back, that equilibrium will change back.

BTW2 oceans really aren't rising all that much.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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BTW2 oceans really aren't rising all that much.

I don't know if this is true or not (since I have no personal experience in this research domain), but there are scientists who are saying the ocean levels are lower today that what they were several hundred years ago.

Antarctica's ice is going anywhere. It's just too cold down there to melt it all. Even if some Arctic ice melts it will be balanced out by the Antarctica's ice. Besides even though I don't get to experience it, from a selfish point of view I say "Global Warming" is good for Canada (sucks to be you in So Cal ... jaja). I am tired of living with snow and ice for half of the year. We have tons of water up here and tons of land to grow food on. If America was smart it would conquer Canada since Canada and Russia (with all their natural resources) will soon be the place to be if the "Global Warming" hype ever happens.

PS: I am not a climate scientist so I am not an authority on the subject. But I have been developing computer software for more then 25 years now and this I do know. Computers only do what you tell them to do. It is rather concerning that much of the evidence on this whole "Climate Change" debate is based on computer models. Computers are not mother nature. It's almost like people who believe everything these computers tell them are also people who would believe they had a chance in online gambling. Computers are incredibly stupid. They only do what you tell them to do. They just do it really really fast.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[brenthutch 444]

Oh I thought all of the warmists were trying to "save the planet" I dont know where I got that from.

[rushmc 23]

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Oh I thought all of the warmists were trying to "save the planet" I dont know where I got that from.

It is about forcing a life style onthers as well as power and money

The power and money folks play the pipe then those who really think that this is what we all need to do will follow them off the cliff

The coal powered cars are the next step I guess.

Gotta get gas and electric prices up there so that alternatives can have a chance on their own.

In the mean time they kill the economy and destroy a life style they must not like

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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It is about forcing a life style on others as well as power and money

The power and money folks play the pipe then those who really think that this is what we all need to do will follow them off the cliff

The coal powered cars are the next step I guess.

Gotta get gas and electric prices up there so that alternatives can have a chance on their own.

In the mean time they kill the economy and destroy a life style they must not like

There is a hybird car I pine for, but I can't buy it right now. Not only would it be out of my price range, but it is also NOT available to the general public. But it is bad ass and it is the first step toward producing some serious bad ass hybrids in the future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esWT--TE3ww

This car has already been successful in some endurance races and in a year or two it will debut at the "24 Hours of Lemans" where it will be a serious contender to win it's class. I cream my jeans thinking about this hybrid (well maybe not, but you get the idea). Some hybrids are cool

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[rehmwa 2]

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in a year or two it will debut at the "24 Hours of Lemans"

they might want to consider renaming the event

I saw "24 Hours of Lemons" pretty much without trying at all

and my reading eyesight is still pretty good

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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in a year or two it will debut at the "24 Hours of Lemans"

they might want to consider renaming the event

I saw "24 Hours of Lemons" pretty much without trying at all

and my reading eyesight is still pretty good

Well no need to worry about confusing the event with lemons since the official name is actually:

"24 HEURES DU MANS"

"24 Hours of Lemans" is just for us English speaking folks who can't understand the French.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[billvon 3,120]

>Oh I thought all of the warmists were trying to "save the planet"

Perhaps. But if that's true, all the deniers are trying to destroy it.

[turtlespeed 226]

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>Oh I thought all of the warmists were trying to "save the planet"

Perhaps. But if that's true, all the deniers are trying to destroy it.

Just because some loonies believe one thing - it doesn't mean that the polar opposite is true.

Unless all those "Save the Planet" people have completely stopped using fossil fuels.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,120]

>Just because some loonies believe one thing - it doesn't mean that the polar
>opposite is true.

Indeed; it is likely that neither is true.

>Unless all those "Save the Planet" people have completely stopped using fossil
>fuels.

And unless all those deniers have moved to live next to the coal fired power plants they claim are so good for us.

[brenthutch 444]

Quick google search of "save the planet" and compact fluorescent, resulted in about 470,000 articles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLkzz6r-yko

George Carlin on saving the planet

[brenthutch 444]

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>Just because some loonies believe one thing - it doesn't mean that the polar
>opposite is true.

Indeed; it is likely that neither is true.

>Unless all those "Save the Planet" people have completely stopped using fossil
>fuels.

And unless all those deniers have moved to live next to the coal fired power plants they claim are so good for us.

I live 2 miles from the coal fired plant that provides for penn state. Still lots of snow on the ground.

[rushmc 23]

And unless all those deniers have moved to live next to the coal fired power plants they claim are so good for us.

[billvon 3,120]

>I live 2 miles from the coal fired plant that provides for penn state.

Cool! I generate all the power my house uses with solar. 72F here today.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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Cool! I generate all the power my house uses with solar.

I could never rely on solar power for all 12 months of the year. There is this funny cold white stuff that keeps falling from the sky from October through May (sometimes even June). It keeps piling up every where around me (tons of snow on the roof of my home, can't even tell where you are walking). Nope I am afraid that if I relied on solar power to keep myself warm, I would freeze to death.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over