Coreece 190 #26 January 14, 2011 Quote Although the account does not tell how many they were, the three gifts led to a widespread assumption that they were three.... Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 January 14, 2011 Quote Quote Although the account does not tell how many they were, the three gifts led to a widespread assumption that they were three.... Given the the verse says "wise MEN", there were at least two, and given the number of gifts, three seems a reasonable assumption.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #28 January 14, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Although the account does not tell how many they were, the three gifts led to a widespread assumption that they were three.... Given the the verse says "wise MEN", there were at least two, and given the number of gifts, three seems a reasonable assumption. I just don't see a reason to have to assume anything in this case. Assume if you want...I suppose it really doesn't matter either way.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #29 January 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteI am still curious to find out (if we ever do find out) why he has wanted Ms Giffords dead. Why her? I've been wondering that, too. My tentative conclusion is that he had a psychotic, delusional obsession with her, not dissimilar to the psychotic, delusional obsession Hinckley had with Jodi Foster, or the psychotic, delusional obsession Mark Chapman had with John Lennon. Thus, I really don't think Loughner's crime was truly politically motivated, except in the psychotic, delusional synapses of his own mind. Mental illness and psychotic paranoia were the true causes of his crime, and random chance just happened to direct the focal point of that psychosis into a seemingly-political form. I invite any shrinks or therapists reading this to opine on whether they think I'm on the right track. Not to rain on your parade, but I think you are thinking to far into it. He was a 21(?) year old boy who was lost in his own state of delusion. When the dust settles, I'm pretty sure the stated reason Giffords was picked will simply be that she was geographically the closest Government official to his location."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #30 January 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteI am still curious to find out (if we ever do find out) why he has wanted Ms Giffords dead. Why her? I've been wondering that, too. My tentative conclusion is that he had a psychotic, delusional obsession with her, not dissimilar to the psychotic, delusional obsession Hinckley had with Jodi Foster, or the psychotic, delusional obsession Mark Chapman had with John Lennon. Thus, I really don't think Loughner's crime was truly politically motivated, except in the psychotic, delusional synapses of his own mind. Mental illness and psychotic paranoia were the true causes of his crime, and random chance just happened to direct the focal point of that psychosis into a seemingly-political form. I invite any shrinks or therapists reading this to opine on whether they think I'm on the right track. Not to rain on your parade, but I think you are thinking to far into it. He was a 21(?) year old boy who was lost in his own state of delusion. When the dust settles, I'm pretty sure the stated reason Giffords was picked will simply be that she was geographically the closest Government official to his location. I agree he was lost in his own state of delusion, but I still think I'm probably correct. From what I've read, he apparently had demonstrated a hateful obsession with Giffords in particular for some time. Maybe she initially came to his attention due to her proximity; but then the psycho-trigger obsession with her was set. In any event, your analysis and mine are mainly consistent with each other. And based on that, I think his criminal motivation was based mainly in his own mental illness and psychotic delusions, not on any genuine ideology like, say, Timothy McVeigh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #31 January 14, 2011 Interesting report about historical assissination motives on NPR this morning: http://www.npr.org/2011/01/14/132909487/fame-through-assassination-a-secret-service-study Most just want to get famous. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
