Maybe the Gulf spill wasn't as bad . . .

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. . . as the experts thought it would be . . .

Almost Normal instead of 100,000 times the normal levels

How do you miss by a factor of 100K?

There is this, as well . . . Funny - I believe it was BP that said not to worry, and that the bateria in the water would eat the spill up before too long. I also remember the people here saying that that would not happen and that we shouldn't trust BP when they say that.

And finally the Houston Chronicle

I'm not saying that what BP did was right - but they were definately right about this.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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"You never let a serious crisis go to waste." Rahm Emanuel

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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"You never let a serious crisis go to waste." Rahm Emanuel

I still wanna know how you miss the mark by a factor of A HUNDRED THOUSAND TIMES?

I am willing to bet that these are the same guys that said there is AGW and Climate Change . . .

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Bolas 5]

Because there had never been a spill like it. No one really knew how much impact it would have in all areas so it was all projections based on various models and equations, some which proved to be more accurate than others.
Additionally, there is going to be an inherent distrust in the damage estimates provided by the company that caused the issue if they are considerably lower than other groups if there is not a similar precedent to base it on.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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. . . as the experts thought it would be . . .

Almost Normal instead of 100,000 times the normal levels

How do you miss by a factor of 100K?

There is this, as well . . . Funny - I believe it was BP that said not to worry, and that the bateria in the water would eat the spill up before too long. I also remember the people here saying that that would not happen and that we shouldn't trust BP when they say that.

And finally the Houston Chronicle

I'm not saying that what BP did was right - but they were definately right about this.

The impact to the Gulf was less than if I poured a thimble of OIL into my 20,000 gal pool, than stirred it up with a little swimming, much like a tropical storm would.

But remember, when your extorting Billions of dollars from any organization you need lies and a willing press to pull it off.

Not saying BP, doesn’t have a responsibility to pay for legitimate damages. This administration has created more economical damage to the US than BP could dream of doing.

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I still wanna know how you miss the mark by a factor of A HUNDRED THOUSAND TIMES?

They didn't. You seem to be confused about the difference between then and now.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I still wanna know how you miss the mark by a factor of A HUNDRED THOUSAND TIMES?

They didn't. You seem to be confused about the difference between then and now.

Then - it was approximately 100k time more than it should have been.
They did not expect that to change much.

Logic tells you thiat if it wasn't supposed to change much that the statistics would stay the same - right?

If you go to the doctor and he says you are 50 lbs overweight and he says it isn't likely to change very soon, although he knows you are wearing almost 50 lbs of lead on a weight belt. So, you take off your weight belt and walk back in next week at 49 lbs lighter, he would be off by a great amount wouldn't he?

The issue here is that the people that made the statistics knew that the weight belt was there.(bacteria) and they were even told that it would happen this way.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Logic tells you thiat if it wasn't supposed to change much that the statistics would stay the same - right?

Wrong.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

This administration has created more economical damage to the US than BP could dream of doing.

And they still are doing just that

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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This administration has created more economical damage to the US than BP could dream of doing.

And they still are doing just that

Yes - but they are doing it WELL! Like in Heisman Trophy well -
Like as in Just won the world series AND took gold in every event in the olympics, while on their off time - they won the stanley cup kinda well.

But it's ok - It's Bush's fault!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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This administration has created more economical damage to the US than BP could dream of doing.

And they still are doing just that

Yes - but they are doing it WELL! Like in Heisman Trophy well -
Like as in Just won the world series AND took gold in every event in the olympics, while on their off time - they won the stanley cup kinda well.

But it's ok - It's Bush's fault!

To push what they (the liberal greens ) want, energy prices need to go up

Way up

What better way to do it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

#1 This is only in reference to the methane (natural gas) levels. NOT the crude oil that was spilled. That is still out there.

#2 The science isn't done. All they know for sure is that the levels aren't where they expected them to be.

#3 They really aren't sure where it went. The bacteria that consumes methane also consumes oxygen in the process. Oxygen levels aren't as low as they should be if all the methane was consumed by bacteria. There is also the possiblity that deep level currents (that aren't all that well known) simply moved it somewhere else.

It's still good news.

Unfortunately, preliminary reports are saying that it was systemic disregard for safety that was the root cause. The same sort of "chain of events" we often discuss in the Incidents forum. If one of those links had been broken, putting safety ahead of time and money, the spill wouldn't have happened.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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The impact to the Gulf was less than if I poured a thimble of OIL into my 20,000 gal pool, than stirred it up with a little swimming, much like a tropical storm would.

So the edges of your pool were full of oil slicks? The big ocean theory of pollution falls a bit apart when the currents push all of the oil in the same direction. Dunno about you, but the joy of running barefoot on the beach is diminished by getting goo on my feet. A lot of effort was spent collecting this stuff.

It's great that the methane portion was handled. But before we celebrate too much, that's only 1/3rd of the emissions from the well.

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The impact to the Gulf was less than if I poured a thimble of OIL into my 20,000 gal pool, than stirred it up with a little swimming, much like a tropical storm would.

So the edges of your pool were full of oil slicks? The big ocean theory of pollution falls a bit apart when the currents push all of the oil in the same direction. Dunno about you, but the joy of running barefoot on the beach is diminished by getting goo on my feet. A lot of effort was spent collecting this stuff.

It's great that the methane portion was handled. But before we celebrate too much, that's only 1/3rd of the emissions from the well.

What do you think the odds are that if they were wrong abot this 1/3 that the data for the other 2/3 is going to be just as off center?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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The impact to the Gulf was less than if I poured a thimble of OIL into my 20,000 gal pool, than stirred it up with a little swimming, much like a tropical storm would.

So the edges of your pool were full of oil slicks? The big ocean theory of pollution falls a bit apart when the currents push all of the oil in the same direction. Dunno about you, but the joy of running barefoot on the beach is diminished by getting goo on my feet. A lot of effort was spent collecting this stuff.

It's great that the methane portion was handled. But before we celebrate too much, that's only 1/3rd of the emissions from the well.

What do you think the odds are that if they were wrong abot this 1/3 that the data for the other 2/3 is going to be just as off center?

Of course if they are that far off, who’s to say what direction they will be off with the other two thirds? Maybe it will be worse than predicted.

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What do you think the odds are that if they were wrong abot this 1/3 that the data for the other 2/3 is going to be just as off center?

Zero, since the science behind this isn't so complicated. And because large quantities of the oil was manually collected.

[lawrocket 3]

I agree, Bolas. But I'd like to add another factor to it:

Where there is a chance to make political hay, political hay will be made. Of course, there is going to be a distrust of the company that caused the problem. This is why really, really, really wrong predictions make it out there so easily - because they prey on subjective emotions rather than objective reality.

Why do you think that disasters large and varied are the focus of predictions for climate? Because predicted disasters reach people on an emotional level. And when people respond, "It's not going to be that bad" they get attacked as anti-science and as industry cronies.

You'll see it with every key event. Work people up to get what you want.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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. . . as the experts thought it would be . . .

Almost Normal instead of 100,000 times the normal levels

How do you miss by a factor of 100K?

There is this, as well . . . Funny - I believe it was BP that said not to worry, and that the bateria in the water would eat the spill up before too long. I also remember the people here saying that that would not happen and that we shouldn't trust BP when they say that.

And finally the Houston Chronicle

I'm not saying that what BP did was right - but they were definately right about this.

How bout we take you out and stuff you in a pool of that goo and see how well you do... we can do a study of your survival going forward.

Its all just a made up crisis after all.. but I seem to remember seeing a hell of a lot of sea creatures coverd in that goo

And after reading further into the thread.. take your fellow travellers with you so you can all roll around in it.... get some video then get back to us

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Because there had never been a spill like it. No one really knew how much impact it would have in all areas so it was all projections based on various models and equations, some which proved to be more accurate than others.
Additionally, there is going to be an inherent distrust in the damage estimates provided by the company that caused the issue if they are considerably lower than other groups if there is not a similar precedent to base it on.

I wonder how many of these cleanup workers are going to be sick the rest of their lives, like so many of those who got paid to cleanup the Exxon Vadez spill have been

I think this made up political crisis is going to have some very long term effects on a hell of a lot of people.

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but I seem to remember seeing a hell of a lot of sea creatures coverd in that goo

Oddly enough, I didn't. Of course, i also didn't see you on site when i was there either.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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Because there had never been a spill like it. No one really knew how much impact it would have in all areas so it was all projections based on various models and equations, some which proved to be more accurate than others.
Additionally, there is going to be an inherent distrust in the damage estimates provided by the company that caused the issue if they are considerably lower than other groups if there is not a similar precedent to base it on.

I wonder how many of these cleanup workers are going to be sick the rest of their lives, like so many of those who got paid to cleanup the Exxon Vadez spill have been

I think this made up political crisis is going to have some very long term effects on a hell of a lot of people.

This was/is a major situation but we still don't know the total impact, nor may never know. This is where firms independent of the oil companies AND the government are needed to get an unbiased perspective, paid equally by both parties.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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but I seem to remember seeing a hell of a lot of sea creatures coverd in that goo

Oddly enough, I didn't. Of course, i also didn't see you on site when i was there either.

I guess you cant see what you do not want to see or believe.

The news had them EVEN FAUX news you watch had them.. you only had to look.

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but I seem to remember seeing a hell of a lot of sea creatures coverd in that goo

Oddly enough, I didn't. Of course, i also didn't see you on site when i was there either.

I guess you cant see what you do not want to see or believe.

The news had them EVEN FAUX news you watch had them.. you only had to look.

yeah, and the news also said the coastline business were suffering because nobody was coming to stay on the beach. Mostly because they'd seen on the news how bad the oil spill had messed up the beach. But when I went to the beach in Port Aransas (because of the cheap rates on the rooms) it was quite clean. Speaking with friends elsewhere on the TX coast, their beaches were clean as well.

There's no hype in the media. None at all.

Volunteers I spoke with said pretty much the same thing. They saw a few animals that needed a lot of help and cleaning. A lot of animals that needed a little cleaning, but for the most part the news made that aspect of the situation look worse than it was.

Apparently most of the actual coastal damage was localized to a few places.

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but I seem to remember seeing a hell of a lot of sea creatures coverd in that goo

Oddly enough, I didn't. Of course, i also didn't see you on site when i was there either.

I guess you cant see what you do not want to see or believe.

The news had them EVEN FAUX news you watch had them.. you only had to look.

yeah, and the news also said the coastline business were suffering because nobody was coming to stay on the beach. Mostly because they'd seen on the news how bad the oil spill had messed up the beach. But when I went to the beach in Port Aransas (because of the cheap rates on the rooms) it was quite clean. Speaking with friends elsewhere on the TX coast, their beaches were clean as well.

There's no hype in the media. None at all.

Volunteers I spoke with said pretty much the same thing. They saw a few animals that needed a lot of help and cleaning. A lot of animals that needed a little cleaning, but for the most part the news made that aspect of the situation look worse than it was.

Apparently most of the actual coastal damage was localized to a few places.

Good thing the currents took it to the East huh. I am sure all those people mired in the goo in LA MS AL and FL cleaning it up appreciated all that work.

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Apparently most of the actual coastal damage was localized to a few places.

Good thing the currents took it to the East huh. I am sure all those people mired in the goo in LA MS AL and FL cleaning it up appreciated all that work.

good thing the media led the american public that the gulf coast was an oil slick so they quit going to the beach. I'm sure all those business owners on the TX coast appreciated the spare time and lower income.

(see, at least two of us can do useless smarmy responses)

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