mnealtx 0 #76 January 11, 2011 QuoteAgain, referring to the link I provided, the phrases included 'It's time to take a stand' and 'Let's take back the 20, together.' If you can find an article that captured the phrasing you list, it would be good to see. I noted many articles only wrote, included no visuals, and of course Palin's camp took it all down from the site. From the "take back the 20" webpage: "They voted for Obamacare. Now we can vote against them." "TakeBackthe20.com provides information about the candidates in these 20 districts who are committed to repealing and replacing Obamacare. It has links to their personal websites and their donation pages. It allows you to read up on them, and then support them in their race to defeat those who gave us this terrible bill." Wow...such violence. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #77 January 11, 2011 maybe it's out there. But so far, the only evidence I've seen is people saying it's there. People who are motivated to stretch the truth, or flat out lie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #78 January 11, 2011 Quotemaybe it's out there. But so far, the only evidence I've seen is people saying it's there. People who are motivated to stretch the truth, or flat out lie. link Right at the top of the page, above the map. Then, there's the Google cache Here's the 20: Tim Griffin, Paul Gosar, David Schweikert When they elected him treasurer of Maricopa County, voters entrusted David Schweikert with their money, which he invested and oversaw without taking a loss. David improved customer service and worked to make sure Arizonans knew where their tax dollars were going. This is the kind of leadership we need in D.C. Let’s send David to Congress. Jesse Kelly,Scott Tipton, Cory Gardner, Steve Southerland, Sandy Adams, Larry Bucshon, Todd Young, Rick Berg, Bill Johnson, Jim Renacci, Tom Marino, Mike Kelly, Mick Mulvaney, Diane Black, Robert Hurt, David McKinley, Spike Maynard There's two words rather conspicuously missing... would you like a hint as to what they are?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #79 January 11, 2011 Quoteof course Palin's camp took it all down from the site. And why do you suppose she did that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #80 January 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteof course Palin's camp took it all down from the site. And why do you suppose she did that? Was that a serious question? The first step in triage is to stop the bleeding. Then you spin what you did by saying they're surveyor symbols. But no matter what, you still replace anything that hints at trouble in the aftermath of an event like this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #81 January 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>You are seriously considering that a CGI bullseye over an AREA on A MAP has >the same significance as A burning Cross or a swastica. And if you seriously think the phrase "don't retreat - reload" does not refer to guns, then people will take you about as seriously as they take any other Tea Party lunatic. Congratulations - you've proven yourself to be the ideologue that you claim Tea Partiers are. What do you think "don't retreat - reload" refers to, Mike? Inquiring minds want to know. Given that her facebook page (screengrab) stated: "Today, Governor Palin targeted 20 leftists in the US House of Representatives TO BE VOTED OUT" <--emphasized that for y'all) It would suggest to RATIONAL minds that she was talking about voting them out, and not about guns. Obviously the frothing at the mouth Left doesn't see it that way. I see, we reload votes and target votes with crosshairs. We all believe you Mike. Very credible explanation. NOT.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #82 January 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteof course Palin's camp took it all down from the site. And why do you suppose she did that? Was that a serious question? The first step in triage is to stop the bleeding. Then you spin what you did by saying they're surveyor symbols. But no matter what, you still replace anything that hints at trouble in the aftermath of an event like this. Like DKos getting rid of the 'she's dead to me' journal entry? link 1 link 2Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #83 January 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>You are seriously considering that a CGI bullseye over an AREA on A MAP has >the same significance as A burning Cross or a swastica. And if you seriously think the phrase "don't retreat - reload" does not refer to guns, then people will take you about as seriously as they take any other Tea Party lunatic. Congratulations - you've proven yourself to be the ideologue that you claim Tea Partiers are. What do you think "don't retreat - reload" refers to, Mike? Inquiring minds want to know. Given that her facebook page (screengrab) stated: "Today, Governor Palin targeted 20 leftists in the US House of Representatives TO BE VOTED OUT" <--emphasized that for y'all) It would suggest to RATIONAL minds that she was talking about voting them out, and not about guns. Obviously the frothing at the mouth Left doesn't see it that way. I see, we reload votes and target votes with crosshairs. We all believe you Mike. Very credible explanation. NOT. The proof is in the screengrab - like I said, I don't *expect* the frothing at the mouth Left to believe it. Thanks for fulfilling the expectations.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #84 January 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>You are seriously considering that a CGI bullseye over an AREA on A MAP has >the same significance as A burning Cross or a swastica. And if you seriously think the phrase "don't retreat - reload" does not refer to guns, then people will take you about as seriously as they take any other Tea Party lunatic. Congratulations - you've proven yourself to be the ideologue that you claim Tea Partiers are. What do you think "don't retreat - reload" refers to, Mike? Inquiring minds want to know. Given that her facebook page (screengrab) stated: "Today, Governor Palin targeted 20 leftists in the US House of Representatives TO BE VOTED OUT" <--emphasized that for y'all) It would suggest to RATIONAL minds that she was talking about voting them out, and not about guns. Obviously the frothing at the mouth Left doesn't see it that way. I see, we reload votes and target votes with crosshairs. We all believe you Mike. Very credible explanation. NOT. The proof is in the screengrab - like I said, I don't *expect* the frothing at the mouth Left to believe it. Thanks for fulfilling the expectations. Squirming doesn't become you. The meaning is obvious to everyone, even you, but you can't bring yourself to admit it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #85 January 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>You are seriously considering that a CGI bullseye over an AREA on A MAP has >the same significance as A burning Cross or a swastica. And if you seriously think the phrase "don't retreat - reload" does not refer to guns, then people will take you about as seriously as they take any other Tea Party lunatic. Congratulations - you've proven yourself to be the ideologue that you claim Tea Partiers are. What do you think "don't retreat - reload" refers to, Mike? Inquiring minds want to know. Given that her facebook page (screengrab) stated: "Today, Governor Palin targeted 20 leftists in the US House of Representatives TO BE VOTED OUT" <--emphasized that for y'all) It would suggest to RATIONAL minds that she was talking about voting them out, and not about guns. Obviously the frothing at the mouth Left doesn't see it that way. I see, we reload votes and target votes with crosshairs. We all believe you Mike. Very credible explanation. NOT. The proof is in the screengrab - like I said, I don't *expect* the frothing at the mouth Left to believe it. Thanks for fulfilling the expectations. Squirming doesn't become you. The meaning is obvious to everyone, even you, but you can't bring yourself to admit it. Yes everyone but you understands what a metaphor is whether is comes from the right or left you I guess only go left"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #86 January 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteof course Palin's camp took it all down from the site. And why do you suppose she did that? Was that a serious question? The first step in triage is to stop the bleeding. Then you spin what you did by saying they're surveyor symbols. But no matter what, you still replace anything that hints at trouble in the aftermath of an event like this. Yes it's a serious question. If she's done nothing wrong, if all they were were surveyor symbols, why should she be compelled to retract them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #87 January 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>You are seriously considering that a CGI bullseye over an AREA on A MAP has >the same significance as A burning Cross or a swastica. And if you seriously think the phrase "don't retreat - reload" does not refer to guns, then people will take you about as seriously as they take any other Tea Party lunatic. Congratulations - you've proven yourself to be the ideologue that you claim Tea Partiers are. What do you think "don't retreat - reload" refers to, Mike? Inquiring minds want to know. Given that her facebook page (screengrab) stated: "Today, Governor Palin targeted 20 leftists in the US House of Representatives TO BE VOTED OUT" <--emphasized that for y'all) It would suggest to RATIONAL minds that she was talking about voting them out, and not about guns. Obviously the frothing at the mouth Left doesn't see it that way. I see, we reload votes and target votes with crosshairs. We all believe you Mike. Very credible explanation. NOT. The proof is in the screengrab What is it you think you screengrabbed?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #88 January 11, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote >You are seriously considering that a CGI bullseye over an AREA on A MAP has >the same significance as A burning Cross or a swastica. And if you seriously think the phrase "don't retreat - reload" does not refer to guns, then people will take you about as seriously as they take any other Tea Party lunatic. Congratulations - you've proven yourself to be the ideologue that you claim Tea Partiers are. What do you think "don't retreat - reload" refers to, Mike? Inquiring minds want to know. Given that her facebook page (screengrab) stated: "Today, Governor Palin targeted 20 leftists in the US House of Representatives TO BE VOTED OUT" It would suggest to RATIONAL minds that she was talking about voting them out, and not about guns. Obviously the frothing at the mouth Left doesn't see it that way. I see, we reload votes and target votes with crosshairs. We all believe you Mike. Very credible explanation. NOT. The proof is in the screengrab - like I said, I don't *expect* the frothing at the mouth Left to believe it. Thanks for fulfilling the expectations. Squirming doesn't become you. The meaning is obvious to everyone, even you, but you can't bring yourself to admit it. I am left wondering if you actually belive half of what you post. Do you really honestly believe that Sarah Palin is/was advocating assassinations of the people she was against politically? You honestly believe that she instigated this on purpose? You think she was pulling the strings here?Is this what the left is reduced to now since the beatdown they got in the House? Sad - very very sad . . .I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #89 January 11, 2011 Just went out and looked through the scope on my 30.06 and guess what, it still looks exactly like the crosshairs on Palin's map. The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #90 January 11, 2011 Quote Just went out and looked through the scope on my 30.06 and guess what, it still looks exactly like the crosshairs on Palin's map. Do me a favor - take a picture of your scope and post it - I've never seen one where the crosshair stick out past the tube. Does it say "now we can vote against them" like Palin's site? Does your scope not mention Giffords like Palin's site, too?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #91 January 12, 2011 Doesn't really say anything, does yours? Not really set up to take the requested photo but the crosshairs in mine are visible beyond the target area into the darker area surrounding it though. BTW did me some surveying in my younger years on bridge sites and guess what............. The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #92 January 12, 2011 Quote Doesn't really say anything, does yorrs? Guess your scope isn't all that much like Palin's site after all, then is it? Quote Did some surveying in my younger years on bridge sites and guess what............. It looks like the mark for a 'principal point' on a topo map? Why, yes...yes it does.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #93 January 12, 2011 "Those are not crosshairs in my book." "we never, ever, ever intended it to be gunsights. It was simply crosshairs like you see on maps." "Remember months ago "bullseye" icon used 2 target the 20 Obamacare-lovin' incumbent seats?" "You are seriously considering that a CGI bullseye over an AREA on A MAP . . ." "crosshairs are not the same as bullseyes" "It's a surveyor's symbol." ". . . not even done in house -- we had a political graphics professional who did this for us." I just realized what this is - it's the Chewbacca Defense! ================================ Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed court o'public opinion, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is a crosshairs. A crosshairs designates a target. But this crosshair does NOT designate a target, because it's a surveyor's target. And it has nothing to do with targets because it is a bullseye. Now think about it; that does not make sense! Why would anyone want to claim it's a surveyor's target but not a target? And why would they then change it to a bullseye? And then claim they didn't do it anyway? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this shooting? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this shooting! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a blogger claiming that a crosshairs is not a bullseye and doesn't indicate a target! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that forum o' public opinon, deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen, it does not make sense! If I can't even make sense, then NOTHING makes sense, and there's no connection between violent imagery and violence! The offense rests. ===================================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doughboyshred 0 #94 January 12, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote >Having an electoral map with crosshairs on it doesn't tell its readers >to shoot the opposition. Agreed. It does, however, create an atmosphere in which such acts are more likely - and for that reason, such violent imagery is a bad idea. there are actions that charge up the atmosphere. This isn't one of them. It's a graphic on a piece of reading material. Swastikas and burning crosses are just symbols too. Uh, the swastika is a symbol with tens of millions of deaths behind it. The burning cross has hundreds or thousands of lynchings behind it. A crosshair target is used far more generically. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/09/sarah-palin-rebecca-mansour-crosshairs-arizona_n_806375.html Finally managed to find the actual graphic, rather than stories that talk about it, but conveniently don't allow the reader to form an opinion. (Talk about inciting) "Let's take back the 20, together." Boy, is that a call to arms to what? No doubt in my mind these are crosshairs, not surveyor symbols. But no one reading this graphic is being incited to shoot someone. That's about as pathetic as the twinkee defense. The original unveiling of the map, and the subsequent site (that has now been taken down) had the tag line "Don't retreat, reload.", which Sarah tweeted at the same time she released the map. Were they reloading batteries in the surveyor laser? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #95 January 12, 2011 Quote Quote Doesn't really say anything, does yorrs? Guess your scope isn't all that much like Palin's site after all, then is it? Quote Did some surveying in my younger years on bridge sites and guess what............. It looks like the mark for a 'principal point' on a topo map? Why, yes...yes it does. Except she didn't tweet "Don't retreat... CARTOGRAPH!" Claiming her use of firearms metaphors wasn't meant to incite violence: Perfectly reasonable. Claiming she wasn't using firearms metaphors: Kinda dumb.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #96 January 12, 2011 More like a 'Chewbacca Offense'. But since you're so fixated on crosshairs, you can continue your screed here.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #97 January 12, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Doesn't really say anything, does yorrs? Guess your scope isn't all that much like Palin's site after all, then is it? Quote Did some surveying in my younger years on bridge sites and guess what............. It looks like the mark for a 'principal point' on a topo map? Why, yes...yes it does. Except she didn't tweet "Don't retreat... CARTOGRAPH!" Claiming her use of firearms metaphors wasn't meant to incite violence: Perfectly reasonable. Claiming she wasn't using firearms metaphors: Kinda dumb. Claiming it was a call to violence when the site shows voting and never once mentions Giffords: REALLY dumb.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #98 January 12, 2011 Nope, doesn't extend beyond the tube as you put it. Oh hell Mike, if it makes any difference I just looked through the scope on my .22 and it doesn't estend beyond the viewing circle........but its oval shaped.C' mon man, lighten up, you'll live longer. The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #99 January 12, 2011 Quote C' mon man, lighten up, you'll live longer. I don't find people being shot nor the political blame games sans evidence to be funny, sorry.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #100 January 12, 2011 Nor do I, sorry for you that you got that impression.The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
