rushmc 23 #26 January 10, 2011 How about this stuff QuoteIt turns out that Sarah Palin wasn’t the only one scrubbing the internet of violent imagery aimed at Ms. Giffords. A “diarist” at left-wing media outlet the Daily Kos named BoyBlue removed a piece entitled “My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!”. The emphasis is the Daily Kos blogger BoyBlue’s not ours. According to Google’s records the post was taken down just an hour after Ms. Palin’s website was removed from the internet yesterday. In the post, BoyBlue rambles on about having attempted to commit suicide earlier this year, writing: I am gay and had been married and my spouse left me January 15, 2010. I shot myself in the mouth in a serious suicide attempt, because of that. Barely surviving, I spent two months in the hospital and still have some paralysis. I did receive a severance from my employer, as i had been laid off in December, 2009. That may have been part of the reason my spouse left me. Anyway, after months of physical and mental rehab, I got back into the political scene and started working for Gabby [Giffords] once again. I raised over $100,000 for her and maxed her out myself out of my severance, even though i still don’t have work and could not qualify for state aid because of my severance. The writer then goes on to describe his sense of betrayal over Ms. Giffords flip-flop in supporting John Lewis as minority leader in the House of Representatives: She wins her re-election and told me she was still a supporter of Speaker Pelosi at her victory party. We talked about how Nancy Pelosi was a successful woman and accomplished oh so much in just four years as Speaker. Today, just a little while ago, I saw on Andrea Mitchell Reports (out of the one eye in can still see out of) that Giffords voted AGAINST Nancy Pelosi as our Minority Leader. Rhetorical question: I fought back from my condition and jumped in with both feet to help Gabrielle Giffords for THIS s@#$??? Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords is dead to me now. I won’t lift a finger, make one phone call, nor will i EVER vote for her in the future. And why did she do this? Giffords never told me she was conservative Democrat. And her voting record is okay. Damn. The chilling account above was written on the Daily Kos just two days before Ms. Giffords was allegedly shot by Jared Lee Loughner yesterday. http://yesbuthowever.com/daily-kos-scrubs-website-5000210/"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #27 January 10, 2011 The media is feeding off of this today. I can't believe the pure "I hate America" hatred being displayed by some in Canada today thanks to this event and it is the media who continues to throw live bodies into the wreck. For the record I hope Barack Obama lives to be 100+ years old. The shear thought at what assumptions some people would jump to if Mr Obama does not live to a ripe old age is staggering. Oh and despite what some sick people are saying today, I don't want to see Ms Giffords or any of the other shooting victims die. I hope Ms Giffords has a full (or meaningful) recovery though I think it is safe to say the life she knew is over and she is about to embark on many new challenges. I just can't believe the pure hate that is circulating out there today. Correct me if I am wrong but as far as I know, Mr Loughner still isn't talking, so nobody knows why he did it. But that does not stop the media from exploiting this unfortunate event. People easily influenced by the media and who are looking to blame anyone other than Jared Loughner need to dial back the rhetoric. Until Mr Loughner talks, don't assume anything. Otherwise you risk making an ASS out of U and ME. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #28 January 10, 2011 >Speaking of advocating violence: >Damn Sarah Palin for saying stuff like: >They bring a knife, we bring a gun Are you OK with such language? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #29 January 10, 2011 QuoteThe media is feeding off of this today. I can't believe the pure "I hate America" hatred being displayed by some in Canada today thanks to this event and it is the media who continues to throw live bodies into the wreck. For the record I hope Barack Obama lives to be 100+ years old. The shear thought at what assumptions some people would jump to if Mr Obama does not live to a ripe old age is staggering. Oh and despite what some sick people are saying today, I don't want to see Ms Giffords or any of the other shooting victims die. I hope Ms Giffords has a full (or meaningful) recovery though I think it is safe to say the life she knew is over and she is about to embark on many new challenges. I just can't believe the pure hate that is circulating out there today. Correct me if I am wrong but as far as I know, Mr Loughner still isn't talking, so nobody knows why he did it. But that does not stop the media from exploiting this unfortunate event. People easily influenced by the media and who are looking to blame anyone other than Jared Loughner need to dial back the rhetoric. Until Mr Loughner talks, don't assume anything. Otherwise you risk making an ASS out of U and ME. Just to be Nit Picky, he will never be "Mr. Obama" Again..it is "President", as much as I hate that fact! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #30 January 10, 2011 Quote>Speaking of advocating violence: >Damn Sarah Palin for saying stuff like: >They bring a knife, we bring a gun Are you OK with such language? It is not worthy of a presidential candidate such as Obama. He should have been above that sort of stuff. Everyone should. Still, it is wrong to place responsibility for the actions of others based upon it.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #31 January 10, 2011 Quote >Speaking of advocating violence: >Damn Sarah Palin for saying stuff like: >They bring a knife, we bring a gun Are you OK with such language? Those are Obama quotes...it was a Joke/sarcasim. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #32 January 10, 2011 Quote>But libs should be the first to apologize for pushing the level of vitriol so far. I think that had a GOP senator been shot after a democratic candidate had put a crosshair/sight/"surveyor symbol" on them, then yes, an apology would be in order. Given that that didn't happen, and given the right wing's recent overheated rhetoric about "second amendment remedies," violent overthrow of the government, throwing bricks at people, hoping Obama dies etc then your point makes little sense. Given that the shooter is a self described big time liberal (no doubt about this fact), one would not expect him to take cues from Palin. Indeed being a target of Palin would make Gifford popular among liberals. I don't think the guy shot Gifford for being a liberal. He much more likely did it because she wasn't liberal enough. She is quite a conservative leaning Dem. One would be more correct to presume he was inspired by liberal hatred and vitriol, there is plenty of it. Therefore, your point makes little sense.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #33 January 10, 2011 Quote>They bring a knife, we bring a gun Are you OK with such language? And here is where I get to trot out my idiot/savant knowledge of film quotes and AGAIN why I say it's always important to know the source. It's a line from The Untouchables. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ScvAJG51V4 I doubt it was to be taken literally. Some nit-wit speechwriter probably just thought it sounded cool and stole it. I'm just sayin'.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #34 January 10, 2011 >Those are Obama quotes... I know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #35 January 10, 2011 Quote>Speaking of advocating violence: >Damn Sarah Palin for saying stuff like: >They bring a knife, we bring a gun Are you OK with such language? That was sarcasm, Bill - if you'd looked below you would have seen where it was Obama that said that. Regardless, I can't seem to find where anyone on the Left was talking about how it was innapropriate.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #36 January 10, 2011 >That was sarcasm, Bill - if you'd looked below you would have seen >where it was Obama that said that. I know. Are you OK with such language? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #37 January 10, 2011 QuoteQuote>They bring a knife, we bring a gun Are you OK with such language? And here is where I get to trot out my idiot/savant knowledge of film quotes and AGAIN why I say it's always important to know the source. It's a line from The Untouchables. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ScvAJG51V4 I doubt it was to be taken literally. I'm just sayin'. Funny how the same latitude isn't being given the Palin ad, even though it was accompanied by a release that made it clear it was about voting. More double standards from the left...quelle surprise.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #38 January 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote>They bring a knife, we bring a gun Are you OK with such language? And here is where I get to trot out my idiot/savant knowledge of film quotes and AGAIN why I say it's always important to know the source. It's a line from The Untouchables. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ScvAJG51V4 I doubt it was to be taken literally. I'm just sayin'. Funny how the same latitude isn't being given the Palin ad, even though it was accompanied by a release that made it clear it was about voting. More double standards from the left...quelle surprise. You're right. It's a double standard that you introduced that quote into this discussion. Shame on you.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #39 January 10, 2011 >It is not worthy of a presidential candidate such as Obama. If you hadn't spent several posts defending a vice presidential candidate who did something similar, that might have some credibility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 January 10, 2011 Quote>It is not worthy of a presidential candidate such as Obama. If you hadn't spent several posts defending a vice presidential candidate who did something similar, that might have some credibility. "On March 23, when Obamacare was signed into law, I launched my “Take back the 20” campaign, focusing on 20 congressional districts that John McCain and I carried in 2008 which are or were represented by members of Congress who voted in favor of Obamacare. They need to be held accountable for those votes. They voted for Obamacare. Now we can vote against them. We need to replace them with representatives who will respect the will of the people. That’s why today I’m launching a new Take Back the 20 website at www.takebackthe20.com! TakeBackthe20.com provides information about the candidates in these 20 districts who are committed to repealing and replacing Obamacare. It has links to their personal websites and their donation pages. It allows you to read up on them, and then support them in their race to defeat those who gave us this terrible bill.We have to send Washington a message that it’s not acceptable to disregard the will of the people. We have to tell them enough is enough. No more defying the Constitution. No more driving us off a financial cliff. We must repeal and replace Obamacare with patient-centered, results-driven, free market reform that provides solutions to people of all income levels without bankrupting our country. It’s time to make a stand! Let’s take back the 20!" Meanwhile, back in the reality based community, it's pretty evident that "now we can vote against them" isn't a call to violence regardless of how much the Left wishes it to be.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #41 January 10, 2011 Quote>It is not worthy of a presidential candidate such as Obama. If you hadn't spent several posts defending a vice presidential candidate who did something similar, that might have some credibility. Defending? Too late...that wasn't just a whoosh, it was a sonic boom...past before you even knew it was comingPeople are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #42 January 10, 2011 >Meanwhile, back in the reality based community. . . The "reality based community" was a reference to something Karl Rove said to a reporter: ========= The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." ========= Fortunately, the "reality based community" has recognized that putting crosshairs on a candidate is a bad idea - and that it looks REALLY bad after an assassination attempt by a lunatic. >it's pretty evident that "now we can vote against them" isn't a call to >violence regardless of how much the Left wishes it to be. Agreed. But putting crosshairs on a candidate does contribute to an atmosphere of violence that increases the odds of it happening. Which is why Palin's aides are backpedaling with all the frantic haste of a "family values" candidate caught soliciting gay hookers. Like I said, if she had just said "we didn't mean that at all, poor choice of symbols on our part, sorry" this would be a non-issue. Unfortunately, since no one on the right can ever admit any error, no matter how small, it will be bigger than it otherwise would be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #43 January 10, 2011 >Defending? Yes, defending. You're making excuses for Palin while attacking democrats for doing the same sort of thing - which makes your arguments look like the usual tired partisan crap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #44 January 10, 2011 Quote>Meanwhile, back in the reality based community. . . The "reality based community" was a reference to something Karl Rove said to a reporter: ========= The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." ========= QuoteFortunately, the "reality based community" Realizes that a call to vote isn't a call for violence - unlike what you and the "MSM" are shouting from the rooftops. Quoteputting crosshairs on a candidate is a bad idea - and that it looks REALLY bad after an assassination attempt by a lunatic. Just the DLC and DCCC did... but I can't seem to find you saying over and over and over again how THEY contribute to the violence. QuoteWhich is why Palin's aides are backpedaling with all the frantic haste of a "family values" candidate caught soliciting gay hookers. Guess that's why DKos was so quick to pull down that "She's dead to me" post from two days before the shooting. Guess that's why the DKos page talking about "narrowing the target list" and putting "a bulls eye on their district" got pulled. But I'm sure that's perfectly fine - after all, everyone knows that it was really Palin's fault, right? QuoteLike I said, if she had just said "we didn't mean that at all, poor choice of symbols on our part, sorry" this would be a non-issue. They've BEEN doing that. QuoteUnfortunately, since no one on the right can ever admit any error, no matter how small, it will be bigger than it otherwise would be. Thanks for showing that you had (and have) NO intention of believing anything that is said, since it's been shown over and over that it was NOT a call for violence but a call to vote.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #45 January 10, 2011 Quoteputting crosshairs on a candidate is a bad idea - and that it looks REALLY bad after an assassination attempt by a lunatic. Quite right, it is bad form, which is why whatever lib groups it was shouldn't have done it to Gifford. Such a thing from a liberal group (which did happen from more than one source) is more likely to motivate a lib nutter. Such a thing from a conservative group would not motivate a lib nutter. I really just think it is bad form, people should be able to do such things freely, including telling supporters to argue with and get in the face of your friends and neighbors, as Obama did. QuoteAgreed. But putting crosshairs on a candidate does contribute to an atmosphere of violence that increases the odds of it happening. Not quite, since the nutter that shot Gifford was a self described liberal, he would not be taking cues from Palin, instead he might have taken a cue from the lib groups that had Gifford in the crosshairs. All of this should mean that Gifford was pretty centrist, able to piss off both sides on different issues. My kinda person. QuoteLike I said, if she had just said "we didn't mean that at all, poor choice of symbols on our part, sorry" this would be a non-issue. Unfortunately, since no one on the right can ever admit any error, no matter how small, it will be bigger than it otherwise would be. Such an absolute, and so wrong. I thought you didn't like it when people generalized. Apologies are much more warmly embraced when offered by libs than conservatives. If only you had the ability to see that bias...People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #46 January 10, 2011 Quote>Defending? Yes, defending. You're making excuses for Palin while attacking democrats for doing the same sort of thing - which makes your arguments look like the usual tired partisan crap. I said that it was stupid, how is that defending?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #47 January 11, 2011 Quote Quote >Defending? Yes, defending. You're making excuses for Palin while attacking democrats for doing the same sort of thing - which makes your arguments look like the usual tired partisan crap. I said that it was stupid, how is that defending? You didn't react stroingly enough to over compensate for his bias. Hence you defend.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #48 January 11, 2011 Quote Quote Quote >Defending? Yes, defending. You're making excuses for Palin while attacking democrats for doing the same sort of thing - which makes your arguments look like the usual tired partisan crap. I said that it was stupid, how is that defending? You didn't react stroingly enough to over compensate for his bias. Hence you defend. Hence the usual tired partisan crap, and from a mod, which is very bad form.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #49 January 11, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote >Defending? Yes, defending. You're making excuses for Palin while attacking democrats for doing the same sort of thing - which makes your arguments look like the usual tired partisan crap. I said that it was stupid, how is that defending? You didn't react strongly enough to over compensate for his bias. Hence you defend. Hence the usual tired partisan crap, and from a mod, which is very bad form. Get over it - this forum is for political views and we all have them - should he hide how he feels, and what he believes becuase he has the power to ban you? Bill if pretty fair - at least he is with me - he can take as good as he gives. If anything, he errs on the side of caution when he is being called out. He sides with the left - so do a lot of others - it's political banter - This is a website - it will be OK.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,118 #50 January 11, 2011 UPDATE - The Tea Party has sent out a mailing in response to the shooting. It discusses their thoughts on the shooting - and then asks for money. Which just goes to show that no matter what the tragedy, someone out there will try to make money off it. http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/20110110/pl_dailycaller/teapartyexpresssendsoutfundraisingletterinreactiontoaftermathofarizonashooting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
sundevil777 102 #45 January 10, 2011 Quoteputting crosshairs on a candidate is a bad idea - and that it looks REALLY bad after an assassination attempt by a lunatic. Quite right, it is bad form, which is why whatever lib groups it was shouldn't have done it to Gifford. Such a thing from a liberal group (which did happen from more than one source) is more likely to motivate a lib nutter. Such a thing from a conservative group would not motivate a lib nutter. I really just think it is bad form, people should be able to do such things freely, including telling supporters to argue with and get in the face of your friends and neighbors, as Obama did. QuoteAgreed. But putting crosshairs on a candidate does contribute to an atmosphere of violence that increases the odds of it happening. Not quite, since the nutter that shot Gifford was a self described liberal, he would not be taking cues from Palin, instead he might have taken a cue from the lib groups that had Gifford in the crosshairs. All of this should mean that Gifford was pretty centrist, able to piss off both sides on different issues. My kinda person. QuoteLike I said, if she had just said "we didn't mean that at all, poor choice of symbols on our part, sorry" this would be a non-issue. Unfortunately, since no one on the right can ever admit any error, no matter how small, it will be bigger than it otherwise would be. Such an absolute, and so wrong. I thought you didn't like it when people generalized. Apologies are much more warmly embraced when offered by libs than conservatives. If only you had the ability to see that bias...People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #46 January 10, 2011 Quote>Defending? Yes, defending. You're making excuses for Palin while attacking democrats for doing the same sort of thing - which makes your arguments look like the usual tired partisan crap. I said that it was stupid, how is that defending?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #47 January 11, 2011 Quote Quote >Defending? Yes, defending. You're making excuses for Palin while attacking democrats for doing the same sort of thing - which makes your arguments look like the usual tired partisan crap. I said that it was stupid, how is that defending? You didn't react stroingly enough to over compensate for his bias. Hence you defend.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #48 January 11, 2011 Quote Quote Quote >Defending? Yes, defending. You're making excuses for Palin while attacking democrats for doing the same sort of thing - which makes your arguments look like the usual tired partisan crap. I said that it was stupid, how is that defending? You didn't react stroingly enough to over compensate for his bias. Hence you defend. Hence the usual tired partisan crap, and from a mod, which is very bad form.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #49 January 11, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote >Defending? Yes, defending. You're making excuses for Palin while attacking democrats for doing the same sort of thing - which makes your arguments look like the usual tired partisan crap. I said that it was stupid, how is that defending? You didn't react strongly enough to over compensate for his bias. Hence you defend. Hence the usual tired partisan crap, and from a mod, which is very bad form. Get over it - this forum is for political views and we all have them - should he hide how he feels, and what he believes becuase he has the power to ban you? Bill if pretty fair - at least he is with me - he can take as good as he gives. If anything, he errs on the side of caution when he is being called out. He sides with the left - so do a lot of others - it's political banter - This is a website - it will be OK.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #50 January 11, 2011 UPDATE - The Tea Party has sent out a mailing in response to the shooting. It discusses their thoughts on the shooting - and then asks for money. Which just goes to show that no matter what the tragedy, someone out there will try to make money off it. http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/20110110/pl_dailycaller/teapartyexpresssendsoutfundraisingletterinreactiontoaftermathofarizonashooting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
