skyrider 0 #1 January 7, 2011 http://www.debbieschlussel.com/31392/christmas-leftover-muslims-get-santa-banned-forever-from-mn-school/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #2 January 7, 2011 Quotehttp://www.debbieschlussel.com/31392/christmas-leftover-muslims-get-santa-banned-forever-from-mn-school/ I cringe everytime you post something like this. If you could just TRY to be a little more controversial and leading with your Tread title it might serve you better. Add a couple of slurs and some attacks in there and i bet more people would take you seriously. That siad - This story is heinously rediculous. It is very sad. They took a lot away from that effort to help those kids. i hope they are happy and content that they were able to damage some more kids.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 January 7, 2011 Quotehttp://www.debbieschlussel.com/31392/christmas-leftover-muslims-get-santa-banned-forever-from-mn-school/ It's an extraordinarily slanted story with virtually no confirmation whatsoever from the anyone except the guy playing Santa. For all we know, he's a drunk and making it all up. Further, I absolutely adore how the blogger, Schlussel, has corrupted the story from "Somali" in the linked video clip into "Muslim" in her headline I'm curious how she arrived at that.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doughboyshred 0 #4 January 7, 2011 Father CHRISTmas. No. Not with any of my tax dollars. Head start is federally funded. Makes no difference who complained, or who the program was named after. Supposedly christmas is a religious holiday, and supposedly santa represents christmas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #5 January 7, 2011 Here ya go "honor bikers" - defend this one. No wonder motorcyclists are treated with mistrust and suspicion; they better clean up their own house before they can expect anyone to treat them as law-abiding citizens. ============== Jury gets biker case By Frank Green Published: December 16, 2010 Jury deliberations are under way in federal court in Richmond in the trial of five men on racketeering-related charges stemming from the Outlaws motorcycle club's move into Virginia — a state said to be under the control of their bitter rivals, the Hells Angels. Of the 27 people indicted this year in the case — most of them members of the Outlaws — 17 have pleaded guilty. In a trial last month, a jury convicted one gang member, acquitted two and could not reach a verdict on the Outlaws' national president, Jack Rosga, 53, of Milwaukee. . . . . The government's evidence included the attempted murder of a Hells Angel in Maine; the beating of an innocent man in a Fredericksburg bar; and a carefully planned assault on members of a gang aligned with the Hells Angels at a bar in Petersburg. ================= Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #6 January 7, 2011 QuoteFurther, I absolutely adore how the blogger, Schlussel, has corrupted the story from "Somali" in the linked video clip into "Muslim" in her headline I'm curious how she arrived at that. From Wiki: With very few exceptions, Somalis are entirely Muslims,[191] the majority belonging to the Sunni branch of Islam and the Shafi`i school of Islamic jurisprudence, although some are also adherents of the Shia Muslim denomination.[192] Sufism, the mystical dimension of Islam, is also well-established, with many local jama'a (zawiya) or congregations of the various tariiqa or Sufi orders.[193] The constitution of Somalia likewise defines Islam as the religion of the Somali Republic, and Islamic sharia as the basic source for national legislation.[194] The source for 191 shows Somalia as a 100% Muslim country Also, the CIA worldbook shows Somalia as a Sunni Muslim country.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #7 January 7, 2011 Quote Further, I absolutely adore how the blogger, Schlussel, has corrupted the story from "Somali" in the linked video clip into "Muslim" in her headline I'm curious how she arrived at that. From Wikipedia's description of Somalia: "With very few exceptions, Somalis are entirely Muslims" You don't see many Christians complaining about Santa Claus, even if its a perversion of Christmas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #8 January 7, 2011 I think that the material you reference makes it reasonable to assume a Somalian is probaby Muslim in the absense of knowledge, Mike, but I also think that its irresponsible to substitue one for the other without facts. It seems to me that the intent of the substitution is to inflame.. If 99% of Americans were Christian would you be okay substituting one for the other?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #9 January 7, 2011 QuoteQuote Further, I absolutely adore how the blogger, Schlussel, has corrupted the story from "Somali" in the linked video clip into "Muslim" in her headline I'm curious how she arrived at that. From Wikipedia's description of Somalia: "With very few exceptions, Somalis are entirely Muslims" You don't see many Christians complaining about Santa Claus, even if its a perversion of Christmas. You don't see jews protesting it much either - You don't see baptists or methodists or Presbeterians protesting that it is a catholic overtone, do you?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #10 January 7, 2011 QuoteI think that the material you reference makes it reasonable to assume a Somalian is probaby Muslim in the absense of knowledge, Mike, but I also think that its irresponsible to substitue one for the other without facts. It seems to me that the intent of the substitution is to inflame.. If 99% of Americans were Christian would you be okay substituting one for the other? I'd go to vegas with those odds and I bet you would feel pretty comfortable with me putting your life savings on a 50 to 1 payout with 99% being the payout odds wouldn't you?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #11 January 7, 2011 The odds might be good, but not good enough to justify calling the US the United States of Christianity, There are odds, and there are ethics. You appear to favor the odds over the ethics. I do not.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #12 January 7, 2011 QuoteThe odds might be good, but not good enough to justify calling the US the United States of Christianity, There are odds, and there are ethics. You appear to favor the odds over the ethics. I do not. Nope - separation of church and state simply means that a religion and it's rules would not the the overwhelming influence on the governance of this country. It does not mean that religion should not exist in facets of the majority of the people that exist here. It definately should not come down to the removal of abstract items and personalities of holidays. Exspecially when they are as benign as the fat man in a red suit giving toys away.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #13 January 7, 2011 >separation of church and state simply means that a religion and it's rules >would not the the overwhelming influence on the governance of this >country. Actually it means that church and state would be separate. >It definately should not come down to the removal of abstract items >and personalities of holidays. Should it come down to the addition of government-observed religious holidays? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #14 January 7, 2011 QuoteI think that the material you reference makes it reasonable to assume a Somalian is probaby Muslim in the absense of knowledge, Mike, but I also think that its irresponsible to substitue one for the other without facts. It seems to me that the intent of the substitution is to inflame.. I agree - I was only pointing out that Somalia *is* a Muslim country. QuoteIf 99% of Americans were Christian would you be okay substituting one for the other? Sort of like conservatives being labeled as Bible-thumping zealots in here, you mean? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #15 January 7, 2011 Quote You don't see jews protesting it much either - You don't see baptists or methodists or Presbeterians protesting that it is a catholic overtone, do you? The original St. Nickolas was from the Eastern Orthodox region, not the catholic area. The tradition came to America through the Calvinist (Presbyterian) Dutch in New York, where he was known as Santi Klaus. I don't know what catholic has to do with it."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 January 7, 2011 QuoteActually it means that church and state would be separate. Actually, it means we don't have the Church of England the United States.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #17 January 7, 2011 Sort of like conservatives being labeled as Bible-thumping zealots in here, you mean? I hear ya... I try to avoid it... Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #18 January 7, 2011 Quotewhere he was known as Santi Klaus. I thought it was Sinterklaas?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #19 January 7, 2011 Quote Sort of like conservatives being labeled as Bible-thumping zealots in here, you mean? I hear ya... I try to avoid it... How was the trip home from the wedding?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #20 January 7, 2011 Actually, it means we don't have the Church of England the United States. Thank God (pun intended) I struggle with tbe whole "Cake or Death?" thing.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #21 January 7, 2011 >Actually, it means we don't have the Church of England the United States. "Separation of church and state" means the separation of church and state. Nothing about the Church of England (or the Church of the United States.) Both are perfectly free to exist here in the US. The First Amendment says that we won't pass any laws with respect to them, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #22 January 7, 2011 How was the trip home from the wedding? Endless. Its a lot farther from the keys to ohio than it is from ohio to the keys. Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #23 January 7, 2011 Quote>Actually, it means we don't have the Church of England the United States. "Separation of church and state" means the separation of church and state. Nothing about the Church of England (or the Church of the United States.) Both are perfectly free to exist here in the US. The First Amendment says that we won't pass any laws with respect to them, though. Where's that in the amendment, again? People love to throw that quote out without the rest of the paragraph: Justice Black, from Everson: "The "establishment of religion" clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the federal government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect "a wall of separation between church and State."Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #24 January 7, 2011 Quote How was the trip home from the wedding? Endless. Its a lot farther from the keys to ohio than it is from ohio to the keys. No doubt!! I'm sure the snow didn't help that, either.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #25 January 7, 2011 Quote>separation of church and state simply means that a religion and it's rules >would not the the overwhelming influence on the governance of this >country. Actually it means that church and state would be separate. >It definately should not come down to the removal of abstract items >and personalities of holidays. Should it come down to the addition of government-observed religious holidays? ACTUALLY it is simply that the government will not dictate what religion the country follows, as the KOE tried to do which lead to a group of prodestants making sail and landing on Plymouth rock.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
