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Blue Shield of California seeks rate hikes of as much as 59% for individuals
Insurer says the increases result from fast-rising healthcare costs and other expenses resulting from new healthcare laws. The move comes less than a year after Anthem Blue Cross tried and failed to raise rates as much as 39%.

January 05, 2011|By Duke Helfand, Los Angeles Times

Another big California health insurer has stunned individual policyholders with huge rate increases — this time it's Blue Shield of California seeking cumulative hikes of as much as 59% for tens of thousands of customers March 1.

Blue Shield's action comes less than a year after Anthem Blue Cross tried and failed to raise rates as much as 39% for about 700,000 California customers….

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/05/business/la-fi-insure-rates-20110106

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Yes, yes, because no company has ever used "the government" as an excuse to raise prices and all companies are completely honest in what they say.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[freethefly 6]

Has nothing to do with healthcare reform and everything to do with corporate greed while they figure out new ways to deny healthcare to their customers.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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Yes, yes, because no company has ever used "the government" as an excuse to raise prices and all companies are completely honest in what they say.

ROFLMAO...ya jus can't admit you were wrong can ya?

Who the hell else you think was going to pay for the leaches?

[Andy9o8 3]

People who actually believe this have their heads firmly rammed up their asses.

[wmw999 2,603]

Which leeches? The people who are currently uninsured and sucking off the hospital ER tit? The people who were working and now don't have insurance?

I'd like to see more deregulation in the insurance industry, so that people can, in fact, buy just what they need (but then I'd like to see more unbundled cable and cell phone options as well ).

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

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People who actually believe this have their heads firmly rammed up their asses.

By the way
How do you get your air in there anyway?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Yes, yes, because no company has ever used "the government" as an excuse to raise prices and all companies are completely honest in what they say.

Hmmm

So the earlier gov investations into this are wrong?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Has nothing to do with healthcare reform and everything to do with corporate greed while they figure out new ways to deny healthcare to their customers.

Well are are partialy right

It is not about HC

That part is correct

But what it is about you got wrong

It is about gov power, money and control

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,132]

>Insurer says the increases result from fast-rising healthcare costs and
>other expenses resulting from new healthcare laws. The move comes less
>than a year after Anthem Blue Cross tried and failed to raise rates as
>much as 39%.

Why do you think they are going up? Sounds like increases started a year ago. The affordable care act was signed in March, so clearly that couldn't have been the cause.

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Blue Shield of California seeks rate hikes of as much as 59% for individuals
Insurer says the increases result from fast-rising healthcare costs and other expenses resulting from new healthcare laws. The move comes less than a year after Anthem Blue Cross tried and failed to raise rates as much as 39%.

January 05, 2011|By Duke Helfand, Los Angeles Times

Another big California health insurer has stunned individual policyholders with huge rate increases — this time it's Blue Shield of California seeking cumulative hikes of as much as 59% for tens of thousands of customers March 1.

Blue Shield's action comes less than a year after Anthem Blue Cross tried and failed to raise rates as much as 39% for about 700,000 California customers….
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/05/business/la-fi-insure-rates-20110106

Had the health care reform bill been passed when this rate increase was attempted?

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It is about gov power, money and control

I believe that corporate power over the consumer should be added to your statement.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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Had the health care reform bill been passed when this rate increase was attempted?

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Don't bother them with silly things like facts, they have obviously already made up their minds. Wait, let me rephrase, they have already had their minds made up for them. Anyway it is obvious that the increases started before the bill passed because they knew it was coming and what it was going to say and what it would affect before it was passed. Why don't you just get with the program and just start believing what the right wing talking heads tell you to believe.

Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana

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Had the health care reform bill been passed when this rate increase was attempted?

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Don't bother them with silly things like facts, they have obviously already made up their minds. Wait, let me rephrase, they have already had their minds made up for them. Anyway it is obvious that the increases started before the bill passed because they knew it was coming and what it was going to say and what it would affect before it was passed. Why don't you just get with the program and just start believing what the right wing talking heads tell you to believe.

Keep in lock step, your doing great! (but kick them feet a bit higher)

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It is about gov power, money and control

I believe that corporate power over the consumer should be added to your statement.

You believe wrong

Are there some IMO? Yes
But those few are the least of our worries

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Had the health care reform bill been passed when this rate increase was attempted?

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Don't bother them with silly things like facts, they have obviously already made up their minds. Wait, let me rephrase, they have already had their minds made up for them. Anyway it is obvious that the increases started before the bill passed because they knew it was coming and what it was going to say and what it would affect before it was passed. Why don't you just get with the program and just start believing what the right wing talking heads tell you to believe.

Though your point is valid about the timing, even here in TN the Insurance companies stated (Incorrectly I think) that they had to raise their rates to be bale to afford to still provide insurance under the new law.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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People who actually believe this have their heads firmly rammed up their asses.

Dark in there isn't it Andy?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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I see it here and other places. People are using the terms health care and health insurance interchangeably. They are distinctly different. I have been without insurance and had perfectly good care. I paid cash. There has not been any healthcare reform. Insurance laws were modified. You can still have the exact same health care as before. How it is paid for has changed.

This is not a minor issue. People keep decrying the loss of health care. Hospitals can not refuse someone health care in many situations. They can refuse to accept payment from a third party (insurance).

So, it is often untrue in these discussions that health care will be withheld. That is a scare tactic. You can still have health care. You may just be responsible for paying your own way.

Now, the new book of laws (Obamacare) modifies not health care, but insurance. Let's call it by what it is and not confuse the issue.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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It is about gov power, money and control

I believe that corporate power over the consumer should be added to your statement.

You believe wrong
Are there some IMO? Yes
But those few are the least of our worries

Really? Because corporations left to themselves always do the right thing?

When has that ever been the case?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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It is about gov power, money and control

I believe that corporate power over the consumer should be added to your statement.

You believe wrong
Are there some IMO? Yes
But those few are the least of our worries

Really? Because corporations left to themselves always do the right thing?

When has that ever been the case?

Well that is a great direction to go

But your world view is based on the evil corp
They always screw (put your topic here)

Bull shit sir

anyway

Mine is not

The gov is much more dangerous to our well being than most companies

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Keep in lock step, your doing great! (but kick them feet a bit higher)

Do you think there would have been no rate hike if there were no new health care laws?

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Keep in lock step, your doing great! (but kick them feet a bit higher)

Do you think there would have been no rate hike if there were no new health care laws?

The rate hike would have been about half.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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It is about gov power, money and control

I believe that corporate power over the consumer should be added to your statement.

You believe wrong

Are there some IMO? Yes
But those few are the least of our worries

There are far more than just a few that abuse the consumer. Small example is the electric company that I have to use. 12% rate increase along with two new items; service availability fee for $20.00 and a Power Cost Adjustment. My bill would had been$67.31 for last month, but the new fees that they added brings my bill to $92.27! When I called to ask about the new fees, they say it is so they can provide better service. That is nothing more than bullshit. It is nothing more than gouging the consumer because they have what you need. If you don't want to live in the dark, you'll pay their outrages fees. It amounts to corporate power over the consumer.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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I see it here and other places. People are using the terms health care and health insurance interchangeably. They are distinctly different. I have been without insurance and had perfectly good care. I paid cash. There has not been any healthcare reform. Insurance laws were modified. You can still have the exact same health care as before. How it is paid for has changed.

This is not a minor issue. People keep decrying the loss of health care. Hospitals can not refuse someone health care in many situations. They can refuse to accept payment from a third party (insurance).

So, it is often untrue in these discussions that health care will be withheld. That is a scare tactic. You can still have health care. You may just be responsible for paying your own way.

Now, the new book of laws (Obamacare) modifies not health care, but insurance. Let's call it by what it is and not confuse the issue.

Odumbo care raised the cost of insurance, by giving away free healthcare to those that have never paid anyway!

Now when they would be turned away for a fuckin fevor or runny nose, they get care...Guess who pays the bill?

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Actually, I asked for a public option, which would keep private insurers in check.

The republicans fought tooth and nail to make sure that the insurers could gouge us as much as possible.