Belgian_Draft 0 #76 January 8, 2011 Nice. I love the paw pads! HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #77 January 8, 2011 >I charged him at exactly the hourly rate he charged me. The whuffo version of this: ============================= So I went and did a tandem at Adventure Skydiving this weekend! I always wanted to try freefall. It was so expensive though; cost me $249 for a minute of freefall with video. Man, they rape you there. I mean, you're falling out of an airplane for cryin' out loud. Then I was driving home and I see my tandem master stuck by the side of the road. I pull over and ask him if everything's OK. He said his engine just stalled for no reason. I take a look and after about five minutes I notice his distributor cap is cracked and loose. I get some duct tape, tape it up, snap it back on, and he tries it and it works. I figure it will hold him until he gets to a gas station. 'Hey thanks!' he says. 'No problem,' I say. 'That will be $249, same as you charged me for ten minutes of your time.' He couldn't believe it! He was all spluttering about rig costs and how much he makes. He said he only made $25 a jump. So I said 'OK, that was a minute of freefall, and I took ten minutes, so that's $250.' You should have seen his face. ============================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #78 January 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote***QuoteAirplane Pilot starting salary $85,000. Pilots I know are not atarting anywhere near that. Maybe if they qualify it as Airline Captain it might be close. Ask your jump pilot about Airplane Pilot starting salary. James This seems closer to reality. http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Commercial_Pilot/Salary But then again, from the same web site: www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Airline_Pilot,_Copilot,_or_Flight_Engineer/Salary The description posted on your site was for "airplane pilot" I thought a commercial pilot was a bit closer to that than an 'airline pilot" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #79 January 8, 2011 Quote>I charged him at exactly the hourly rate he charged me. The whuffo version of this: ============================= So I went and did a tandem at Adventure Skydiving this weekend! I always wanted to try freefall. It was so expensive though; cost me $249 for a minute of freefall with video. Man, they rape you there. I mean, you're falling out of an airplane for cryin' out loud. Then I was driving home and I see my tandem master stuck by the side of the road. I pull over and ask him if everything's OK. He said his engine just stalled for no reason. I take a look and after about five minutes I notice his distributor cap is cracked and loose. I get some duct tape, tape it up, snap it back on, and he tries it and it works. I figure it will hold him until he gets to a gas station. 'Hey thanks!' he says. 'No problem,' I say. 'That will be $249, same as you charged me for ten minutes of your time.' He couldn't believe it! He was all spluttering about rig costs and how much he makes. He said he only made $25 a jump. So I said 'OK, that was a minute of freefall, and I took ten minutes, so that's $250.' You should have seen his face. ============================== Not even close, Bill. But, be that as it may, as you wish.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #80 January 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote***QuoteAirplane Pilot starting salary $85,000. Pilots I know are not atarting anywhere near that. Maybe if they qualify it as Airline Captain it might be close. Ask your jump pilot about Airplane Pilot starting salary. James This seems closer to reality. http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Commercial_Pilot/Salary But then again, from the same web site: www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Airline_Pilot,_Copilot,_or_Flight_Engineer/Salary The description posted on your site was for "airplane pilot" I thought a commercial pilot was a bit closer to that than an 'airline pilot" Private and recreational pilots are not paid at all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #81 January 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote***QuoteQuote***QuoteAirplane Pilot starting salary $85,000. Pilots I know are not atarting anywhere near that. Maybe if they qualify it as Airline Captain it might be close. Ask your jump pilot about Airplane Pilot starting salary. James This seems closer to reality. http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Commercial_Pilot/Salary But then again, from the same web site: www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Airline_Pilot,_Copilot,_or_Flight_Engineer/Salary The description posted on your site was for "airplane pilot" I thought a commercial pilot was a bit closer to that than an 'airline pilot" Private and recreational pilots are not paid at all. You would agree there are paid commercial pilots other than airline pilots? and these pilots, on average make less than airline pilots? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #82 January 8, 2011 So, this doctor had you working on something that required many years of experience to weld properly?? Also, the cost of med school alone would buy an entire shop full of welders. The fact that you increased your cost for someone, ENTIRELY out of spite, speaks volumes about you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #83 January 8, 2011 I have never suggested public health care, or a public health option. I agree with basically everything you have said. All I am saying, is that you can't put a price on the work a surgeon does. If he fucks up, you die. You will do anything you can to prevent this, even if the cost was infinity. If your mechanic tells you it will cost 100k to fix your car, you would just get a new car. This is not an option with a human life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #84 January 8, 2011 Quote So, this doctor had you working on something that required many years of experience to weld properly?? Also, the cost of med school alone would buy an entire shop full of welders. The fact that you increased your cost for someone, ENTIRELY out of spite, speaks volumes about you. I had to make a trip to the ER once for a cut on my hand. The doctor who looked at it charged a fee of almost $300. that was HIS fee...not the hospital or the guy who stitched it up. It took him less than 60 seconds to look at it, ask how it happened, and tell someone else to clean and stitch it up. Did it take someone years of med school and a small fortune in tuition to do that? Nope. Hell, anybody would know to clean and stitch it. Sure med school would buy a shop full of welders. But it wouldn't buy a CNC machining center and a laser cutting table. Sure I overcharged him out of spite. It was also a form of protest. Just because you will kiss someones ass just because they have "MD" after their name doesn't mean everyone else will. Fuck that.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #85 January 8, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Private and recreational pilots are not paid at all. You would agree there are paid commercial pilots other than airline pilots? and these pilots, on average make less than airline pilots? You mean like a jump pilot?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #86 January 8, 2011 Quote Quote So, this doctor had you working on something that required many years of experience to weld properly?? Also, the cost of med school alone would buy an entire shop full of welders. The fact that you increased your cost for someone, ENTIRELY out of spite, speaks volumes about you. I had to make a trip to the ER once for a cut on my hand. The doctor who looked at it charged a fee of almost $300. that was HIS fee...not the hospital or the guy who stitched it up. It took him less than 60 seconds to look at it, ask how it happened, and tell someone else to clean and stitch it up. Did it take someone years of med school and a small fortune in tuition to do that? Nope. Hell, anybody would know to clean and stitch it. Sure med school would buy a shop full of welders. But it wouldn't buy a CNC machining center and a laser cutting table. Sure I overcharged him out of spite. It was also a form of protest. Just because you will kiss someones ass just because they have "MD" after their name doesn't mean everyone else will. Fuck that. "He" did not bill you. The ER did. "He" doesn't have a say in what is charged. The ER pays him either by the hour or salary.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ridestrong 1 #87 January 8, 2011 Quote I had to make a trip to the ER once for a cut on my hand. The doctor who looked at it charged a fee of almost $300. that was HIS fee...not the hospital or the guy who stitched it up. It took him less than 60 seconds to look at it, ask how it happened, and tell someone else to clean and stitch it up. Did it take someone years of med school and a small fortune in tuition to do that? Nope. Hell, anybody would know to clean and stitch it. Yeah but that same doctor can also do a thoracotomy (crack your chest open) and massage your heart if need be. Sometimes they also need to delegate people to do the small shit like stitching a cut. Also, I don't know many people that would just let any random person stitch them up, or make the decision of whether or not to do so for that matter. *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ridestrong 1 #88 January 8, 2011 That can get confusing... in many cases MDs and PAs are employed by a 'physicians network' who intern provides their services to area hospitals. The hospital will charge their facility and supply fees and the physicians network will charge for the service provided by their practitioner.*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #89 January 8, 2011 Quote Quote Quote So, this doctor had you working on something that required many years of experience to weld properly?? Also, the cost of med school alone would buy an entire shop full of welders. The fact that you increased your cost for someone, ENTIRELY out of spite, speaks volumes about you. I had to make a trip to the ER once for a cut on my hand. The doctor who looked at it charged a fee of almost $300. that was HIS fee...not the hospital or the guy who stitched it up. It took him less than 60 seconds to look at it, ask how it happened, and tell someone else to clean and stitch it up. Did it take someone years of med school and a small fortune in tuition to do that? Nope. Hell, anybody would know to clean and stitch it. Sure med school would buy a shop full of welders. But it wouldn't buy a CNC machining center and a laser cutting table. Sure I overcharged him out of spite. It was also a form of protest. Just because you will kiss someones ass just because they have "MD" after their name doesn't mean everyone else will. Fuck that. "He" did not bill you. The ER did. "He" doesn't have a say in what is charged. The ER pays him either by the hour or salary. "His" name with "his" fee was itemized on the bill. Other items such as medication, supplies, etc. were also itemized. The only thing on the bill higher than his fee was the hospitals fee for the ER visit. But that is understandabl. They have millions wrapped up in equipment and overhead.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #90 January 8, 2011 Quote Quote I had to make a trip to the ER once for a cut on my hand. The doctor who looked at it charged a fee of almost $300. that was HIS fee...not the hospital or the guy who stitched it up. It took him less than 60 seconds to look at it, ask how it happened, and tell someone else to clean and stitch it up. Did it take someone years of med school and a small fortune in tuition to do that? Nope. Hell, anybody would know to clean and stitch it. Yeah but that same doctor can also do a thoracotomy (crack your chest open) and massage your heart if need be. Sometimes they also need to delegate people to do the small shit like stitching a cut. Also, I don't know many people that would just let any random person stitch them up, or make the decision of whether or not to do so for that matter. And in our shop we could do far more than just repair the hitch on a boat trailer.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ridestrong 1 #91 January 8, 2011 Sorry, anyway you look at it... in the end, a welders expertise is NOT as valuable as a surgeons expertise.*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #92 January 8, 2011 QuoteSorry, anyway you look at it... in the end, a welders expertise is NOT as valuable as a surgeons expertise. Perception is reality.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #93 January 8, 2011 QuoteSorry, anyway you look at it... in the end, a welders expertise is NOT as valuable as a surgeons expertise. Depends on whether you think it important that nuclear reactors maintain their integrity, planes don't fall apart in the air, bridges don't fall down when you drive over them, ships don't break in half, and your car suspension holds together when you're driving at 80mph. Since I've never had surgery, I'd say that welders have had far more impact on my life than surgeons.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #94 January 8, 2011 Well put. Thank you.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #95 January 8, 2011 QuoteWell put. Thank you. It's funny, really. I have had to, in the past, either dirty my truck up - or borrow a friends beat up pickup truck when visiting clients. You see, it is perfectly ok for a Lawyer to have a Porche, Mercedes, BMW, etc. But a contractor isn't supposed to be wealthy. A doctor can have a nice new Caddy, and he is judged as successful and a good doctor. You put a Contractor in an Escalade, and what you have there is a crooked contractor. We just aren't supposed to make that much, or we are viewed as gouging, and accused of thievery.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ridestrong 1 #96 January 8, 2011 Quote Quote Sorry, anyway you look at it... in the end, a welders expertise is NOT as valuable as a surgeons expertise. Since I've never had surgery, I'd say that welders have had far more impact on my life than surgeons. uhg.... I've also never had surgery... but I have cashiers, cooks, waiters etc.. service me every day, maybe their training and expertise is as valuable too right? *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #97 January 8, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Sorry, anyway you look at it... in the end, a welders expertise is NOT as valuable as a surgeons expertise. Since I've never had surgery, I'd say that welders have had far more impact on my life than surgeons. uhg.... I've also never had surgery... but I have cashiers, cooks, waiters etc.. service me every day, maybe their training and expertise is as valuable too right? Depends. Would you consider the consequences of being short changed by the teller, undercooked steak from the cook, or poor service from the waiter to be capable of causing hundreds of casualties? What would you consider to be a fair wage for sitting on a 36" natural gas line, under pressure and in service, while welding a hot tap in place? One little screw up and you not only kill yourself but everyone within 300 feet...if you're lucky.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #98 January 8, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Sorry, anyway you look at it... in the end, a welders expertise is NOT as valuable as a surgeons expertise. Since I've never had surgery, I'd say that welders have had far more impact on my life than surgeons. uhg.... I've also never had surgery... but I have cashiers, cooks, waiters etc.. service me every day, maybe their training and expertise is as valuable too right? Depends. Would you consider the consequences of being short changed by the teller, undercooked steak from the cook, or poor service from the waiter to be capable of causing hundreds of casualties? What would you consider to be a fair wage for sitting on a 36" natural gas line, under pressure and in service, while welding a hot tap in place? One little screw up and you not only kill yourself but everyone within 300 feet...if you're lucky. What keeps the gas from blowing the weld out as it's being made?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #99 January 8, 2011 My job is so unique that I really haven't met many people who do it. The pay is good and the hours are short. But it has its drawbacks; lots of free time that has to be filled, like skydiving You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #100 January 9, 2011 Quote What keeps the gas from blowing the weld out as it's being made? Magic! Not really. It is actually a matter of physics. First, keep in mind that the strength of the pipe was selected with a safety factor in mind...it has "reserve strength". Second, the area to be welded is completely inspected to be certain there are no discontnuities that could lead to rupture if welded on. Third, the weld process and parameters are chosen so as to maximize fusion with no more penetration than is needed. Fusion area is what matters, not penetration. Last, but by no means least, is that while the outside of the pipe is being taken to a molten state in a small localized region, the gas flowing through the pipe is acting as a coolant on the inside. This effect can be so great that sometimes the hardest part of the job is preheating the pipe so a weld can be made that won't cool too fast and trap hydrogen in the steel and result in cracking. Done right it is very reliable and safe. Done wrong...HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
