hwt 0 #1 January 6, 2011 Looks like Obama is going to be eat his words... here is what he said four years ago... “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure,” he said on March 16, 2006. “Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership . Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.” When asked about the president’s apparent double-standard Wednesday, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said that President Obama was against raising the debt ceiling before he was for it: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #2 January 6, 2011 And Robert Gibbs is quitting his job as the President's spokesman - even he is weary of Obama's hypocrisy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david3 0 #3 January 6, 2011 QuoteAnd Robert Gibbs is quitting his job as the President's spokesman - even he is weary of Obama's hypocrisy. It seems odd that he would work on the reelection campaign if that is true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 January 6, 2011 Quote And Robert Gibbs is quitting his job as the President's spokesman - even he is weary of Obama's hypocrisy. Maybe I believe he is headed to the windy city to begin Obama's 2012 assualt on the country. Gotta get an early start to re-write history"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #5 January 6, 2011 Quote . Gotta get an early start to re-write history Which reminds me - have you read "Decision Points"?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #6 January 6, 2011 Quote Quote . Gotta get an early start to re-write history Which reminds me - have you read "Decision Points"? Way to stay on topic, john. I believe that Obama called it out correctly. It is a complete failure of leadership and it starts at the top.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #7 January 6, 2011 Quote Quote Quote . Gotta get an early start to re-write history Which reminds me - have you read "Decision Points"? Way to stay on topic, john. I believe that Obama called it out correctly. It is a complete failure of leadership and it starts at the top. It is about time for the obligatory "I inherited this form Bush" excuse huh"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hwt 0 #8 January 7, 2011 I find it odd that none of the liberals that post on this site have posted a response in this thread.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #9 January 7, 2011 Quote I find it odd that none of the liberals that post on this site have posted a response in this thread.. Why? If you can't defend it, and you know it, why try? It isn't Odd at all - it is SOPI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #10 January 7, 2011 It is a failure. Our government has failed by spending too much and not being willing to pay for it. We have to fix both problems. And until we are willing to fix both problems, the usual partisan bullshit will keep anything from getting done about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #11 January 7, 2011 When they do, I suspect it won't be in response to the original post. I can't see any of them saying "Yep, he flip-flopped again" or explaining how he didn't flip. Stand by for vagueness and misdirection. I should have scrolled through the whole thread before replying-it had already happened You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #12 January 7, 2011 >When they do, I suspect it won't be in response to the original post. The original post was entitled "the debt ceiling." Can you address that? Nowadays it seems like the GOP's response to the problem of the debt ceiling is "fuck Obama." With a sentiment like that, nothing will change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #13 January 7, 2011 Quote>When they do, I suspect it won't be in response to the original post. The original post was entitled "the debt ceiling." Can you address that?. man you make picking on you so easy.... And the BODY of the post was this QuoteLooks like Obama is going to be eat his words... here is what he said four years ago... “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure,” he said on March 16, 2006. “Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership . Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.” When asked about the president’s apparent double-standard Wednesday, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said that President Obama was against raising the debt ceiling before he was for it Can you address that?You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #14 January 7, 2011 >Can you address that? Yes, it is a failure of leadership. Republican and democratic leaders have spent too much. Both have refused to raise taxes to cover their expenses. That has to be fixed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #15 January 7, 2011 QuoteIt is a failure. Our government has failed by spending too much and not being willing to pay for it. We have to fix both problems. And until we are willing to fix both problems, the usual partisan bullshit will keep anything from getting done about it. "Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth". Nothing there about not being a failure.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #16 January 7, 2011 Quote>Can you address that? Yes, it is a failure of leadership. Republican and democratic leaders have spent too much. Both have refused to raise taxes to cover their expenses. That has to be fixed. Care to try again? you still haven't addressed the post-not that I expect you to, it's just funny as hell watching you try to twist around it and I'm waiting for 40 copies of a presentation to print.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #17 January 7, 2011 >Care to try again? Nope, I've already addressed the issue brought up in your post, and I have no doubt that your ability to be willfully ignorant exceeds my ability to "break through" to you. Continue with the partisan crap; our massive debt problems will continue to get worse, but at least you'll be able to gloat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david3 0 #18 January 7, 2011 QuoteQuote>Can you address that? Yes, it is a failure of leadership. Republican and democratic leaders have spent too much. Both have refused to raise taxes to cover their expenses. That has to be fixed. Care to try again? you still haven't addressed the post-not that I expect you to, it's just funny as hell watching you try to twist around it and I'm waiting for 40 copies of a presentation to print. Okay, yes it "Looks like Obama is going to be eat his words" Now, what is your point? . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #19 January 7, 2011 Quote Okay, yes it "Looks like Obama is going to be eat his words" Now, what is your point? . The point is that Bill will type 17 paragraphs avoiding that very statement while claiming that he has covered the point-and that I had time to kill to watch him do it.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #20 January 7, 2011 When you are dealing with someone who considers Obama a deity what do you expect?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #21 January 7, 2011 >Now, what is your point? There's no point, for him, beyond that. It reminds me of a recent post by Shah: ============================ Those women are empowered morons! 've had the great pleasure to have been invovled in a few of those meetings and well....the future is scarry! Because if the parents are this stupid I could only immagine how dumb their freaking kids are! Personal favorite lines are 2) You can get a tan if you are inside a house and the sun is comming at you through a window . . . 3) Cold gas has more power . . .I have no idea where she got that one from. ============================ Now, you might think that, since that was posted on a public forum, discussing the cold-gas thing or the tan thing might be issues. To the poster, they're not. The issue is that the poster wants to hear "yeah, they're stupid morons!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #22 January 7, 2011 Chuckle, chortle Still haven't, thoughYou are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #23 January 7, 2011 QuoteChuckle, chortle Still haven't, though It is amusing to see him dance like that to avoid saying what others have said. He simply cannot put in words that Obama could fail or be wrong. I don't think he actually has the ability. I would liken it to someone having to pronounce an Aztec word. His mind must have a mental aversion to it somewhere. I think it is a phobia . . . Obamacan'teverbewrongaphobiaI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #24 January 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteChuckle, chortle Still haven't, though It is amusing to see him dance like that to avoid saying what others have said. He simply cannot put in words that Obama could fail or be wrong. I don't think he actually has the ability. I would liken it to someone having to pronounce an Aztec word. His mind must have a mental aversion to it somewhere. I think it is a phobia . . . Obamacan'teverbewrongaphobia Obama's failure is that in 2006 he didn't predict the Bush Recession and the huge hole it would make in the economy. Climbing out of a deep hole takes time and effort.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #25 January 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteChuckle, chortle Still haven't, though It is amusing to see him dance like that to avoid saying what others have said. He simply cannot put in words that Obama could fail or be wrong. I don't think he actually has the ability. I would liken it to someone having to pronounce an Aztec word. His mind must have a mental aversion to it somewhere. I think it is a phobia . . . Obamacan'teverbewrongaphobia Obama's failure is that in 2006 he didn't predict the Bush Recession and the huge hole it would make in the economy. Climbing out of a deep hole takes time and effort. So was Obama wrong in saying what he said? Can you admit that he fails?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
