Ok - so Gays in the miltary are ok, right?

[jclalor 12]

These countries don't seem to have an issue:

Albania
Argentina
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Canada
Republic of China
Colombia
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Republic of Ireland
Israel
Italy
Japan
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
The Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Romania
Russia
Serbia
Slovenia
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Thailand
United Kingdom

Thses countries do:

Antigua and Barbuda
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Brunei
Cameroon
Cuba
Cyprus
Dominica
Egypt
Fiji
Ghana
Grenada
Guyana
Iran
Kenya
Kiribati
Jamaica
Lesotho
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
Nigeria
North Korea
Pakistan
Papua New Guinea
Saudi Arabia
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Solomon Islands
South Korea
Sri Lanka
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Swaziland
Syria
Tanzania
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Turkey
Tuvalu
Uganda
Vanuatu
Venezuela
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

Notice a pattern ?

[434 2]

As an long time skydiver who have experienced American men in the mixed showersa and sauna in Sweden and Norway, it is obvious this guys is way under stimulated. They just do not know how to behave, and looked like 8 years kids in the candy store. Some with bigh eyes, and some few could just ot keep their hands to them selves. After a few beers they where running naked all over the place chasing women.

[turtlespeed 226]

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Well, hell...I'm interested!
Just where are the women showering tonight?
I got my soap, my shampoo and my towel right here ready to go. Just point me in the right direction,eh?



PS: Wendy. You'll be OK. I'll pretend it's something i have to do...just for you.

In this case it is a miliary thing - bootcamp most likely

Oh and Wendy - I did my time in the Military, did you?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[turtlespeed 226]

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Then "WHY" have to serve "openly" gay? If they can simply do their job, and have for years...WHY "Openly Gay"? what is the gain? All I see is negative...Not positive!

Same reason its okay for you to be openly straight. It isn't important for the job you're doing. If you have a hang-up about it, YOU have the problem. Imagine that!

linz

I think everyone is missing the point . . . I just want fairness - I want equilibrium - if the gay guys get to go to the showers and enjoy the scenery, then the straight guys should be able to go where they can enjoy the scenery too.

I mean, fair is fair after all, right?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,556]

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The military is adapting and the people of the Armed Forces need to adapt too. I really do not even see why a civilian would give a fuck whether gay people can serve in the military or not.

QFT

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[david3 0]

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The military is adapting and the people of the Armed Forces need to adapt too. I really do not even see why a civilian would give a fuck whether gay people can serve in the military or not.

QFT


Wendy P.

I'm not sure how quantum field theory applies to this thread…?

[wmw999 2,556]

Quoted For Truth -- but I think I like your interpretation better

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[turtlespeed 226]

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The military is adapting and the people of the Armed Forces need to adapt too. I really do not even see why a civilian would give a fuck whether gay people can serve in the military or not.

QFT


Wendy P.

I'm not sure how quantum field theory applies to this thread…?

QFT as I found it defined.

Which I believe to be more accurate.

But then there is Quantitative Feedback Theory . . . bt I don't see that applying very well

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[jakee 1,566]

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>No one in the Military can be Openly Sexual, on duty!

Then no problem. Gay soldiers will be held to the same standards as straight soldiers, which is as it should be.

BINGO

So you admit that every other post you've made on the subject is wrong?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,566]

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Then "WHY" have to serve "openly" gay? If they can simply do their job, and have for years...WHY "Openly Gay"? what is the gain? All I see is negative...Not positive!

Same reason its okay for you to be openly straight. It isn't important for the job you're doing. If you have a hang-up about it, YOU have the problem. Imagine that!

linz

Beyond stupid responce,,,,,No one in the Military can be Openly Sexual, on duty!

Oh really? So can a straight soldier be fired for mentioning to a colleague that he has a girlfriend?

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Nice try , gotta troll harder!

No dude, you really don't.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,566]

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Then "WHY" have to serve "openly" gay? If they can simply do their job, and have for years...WHY "Openly Gay"? what is the gain? All I see is negative...Not positive!

Why 'openly gay'? Because I bet it fucking sucks to know that you can be fired if someone you work with finds out about your private life.

You want to make this about gay soldiers dry humping each other on duty, you seem incapable of understanding that it's actually about gay soldiers not being forced to keep their lives secret and live in fear of anyone discovering them.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[skyrider 0]

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These countries don't seem to have an issue:

Albania
Argentina
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Canada
Republic of China
Colombia
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Republic of Ireland
Israel
Italy
Japan
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
The Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Romania
Russia
Serbia
Slovenia
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Thailand
United Kingdom

Thses countries do:

Antigua and Barbuda
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Brunei
Cameroon
Cuba
Cyprus
Dominica
Egypt
Fiji
Ghana
Grenada
Guyana
Iran
Kenya
Kiribati
Jamaica
Lesotho
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
Nigeria
North Korea
Pakistan
Papua New Guinea
Saudi Arabia
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Solomon Islands
South Korea
Sri Lanka
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Swaziland
Syria
Tanzania
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Turkey
Tuvalu
Uganda
Vanuatu
Venezuela
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

Notice a pattern ?

Yeah, they are all in alphabetical order...strange....

[turtlespeed 226]

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These countries don't seem to have an issue:

Albania
Argentina
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Canada
Republic of China
Colombia
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Republic of Ireland
Israel
Italy
Japan
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
The Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Romania
Russia
Serbia
Slovenia
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Thailand
United Kingdom

Thses countries do:

Antigua and Barbuda
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Brunei
Cameroon
Cuba
Cyprus
Dominica
Egypt
Fiji
Ghana
Grenada
Guyana
Iran
Kenya
Kiribati
Jamaica
Lesotho
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
Nigeria
North Korea
Pakistan
Papua New Guinea
Saudi Arabia
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Solomon Islands
South Korea
Sri Lanka
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Swaziland
Syria
Tanzania
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Turkey
Tuvalu
Uganda
Vanuatu
Venezuela
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

Notice a pattern ?

Yeah, they are all in alphabetical order...strange....

Just the bottom half - the "Dos"

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Amazon 7]

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These countries don't seem to have an issue:

Thses countries do:

Antigua and Barbuda
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Brunei
Cameroon
Cuba
Cyprus
Dominica
Egypt
Fiji
Ghana
Grenada
Guyana
Iran
Kenya
Kiribati
Jamaica
Lesotho
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
Nigeria
North Korea
Pakistan
Papua New Guinea
Saudi Arabia
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Solomon Islands
South Korea
Sri Lanka
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Swaziland
Syria
Tanzania
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Turkey
Tuvalu
Uganda
Vanuatu
Venezuela
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

Notice a pattern ?

Third World Shitholes with VERY DEEP closets

[Amazon 7]

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As an long time skydiver who have experienced American men in the mixed showersa and sauna in Sweden and Norway, it is obvious this guys is way under stimulated. They just do not know how to behave, and looked like 8 years kids in the candy store. Some with bigh eyes, and some few could just ot keep their hands to them selves. After a few beers they where running naked all over the place chasing women.

Yup we alwys keep hoping they will grow up and leave the juvenile behavior behind.

Never seems to happen for most though

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I don't think you understood my post. I'm saying 95% of my friends are straight guys. The other 5%, girls and a few gay friends. I'm not attracted to 100% of my straight friends.

not a single one? I find that hard to believe.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I think everyone is missing the point . . . I just want fairness - I want equilibrium - if the gay guys get to go to the showers and enjoy the scenery, then the straight guys should be able to go where they can enjoy the scenery too.

I mean, fair is fair after all, right?

What an insane leap of logic. Plus, you are forgetting some labels.

You want fairness, there is finally fairness. No sexual activity for anybody, gays and straights can discuss their relationships. What exactly isn't fair?

And, if you want more fairness you should be lobbying for the restriction on males baring their chests. Why is it that gay men and straight women are allowed to get all excited by men walking around without tops, but straight men and gay women do not get to look at topless women in public? Clearly this too needs to be addressed!!!

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>if the gay guys get to go to the showers and enjoy the scenery, then the
>straight guys should be able to go where they can enjoy the scenery too.

If you want to enjoy the scenery, come on down to Black's Beach. If you want to join the military and serve the country, do that. The showers are there so you don't smell too bad after a few weeks. They're not there so people can "enjoy the scenery."

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I just want fairness - I want equilibrium - if the gay guys get to go to the showers and enjoy the scenery, then the straight guys should be able to go where they can enjoy the scenery too.

I mean, fair is fair after all, right?

It is completely fair right now. The straight men can check out all the guys in the shower that they want. How is that not equal?

Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana

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I just want fairness - I want equilibrium - if the gay guys get to go to the showers and enjoy the scenery, then the straight guys should be able to go where they can enjoy the scenery too.

I mean, fair is fair after all, right?

It is completely fair right now. The straight men can check out all the guys in the shower that they want. How is that not equal?

Because straight guy are not turned on by guys, (bit slow today are ya?) straight men shoudl be allowed to shower with the ladies, so they too, can have some entertainment with their shower! Its only fair!

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>if the gay guys get to go to the showers and enjoy the scenery, then the
>straight guys should be able to go where they can enjoy the scenery too.

If you want to enjoy the scenery, come on down to Black's Beach. If you want to join the military and serve the country, do that. The showers are there so you don't smell too bad after a few weeks. They're not there so people can "enjoy the scenery."

It used to be that way.

How could you possibly know for sure unless you are a Gay man in bootcamp?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,085]

>How could you possibly know for sure unless you are a Gay man in
>bootcamp?

I dare you to find any military description of showers as a "place to enjoy scenery." Doesn't exist, other than in your mind.

The beauty of it is now, though, is that it doesn't matter any more. It doesn't matter if soldiers are black or white, man or woman, gay or straight. All that matters is that soldiers do their jobs.

[david3 0]

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>if the gay guys get to go to the showers and enjoy the scenery, then the
>straight guys should be able to go where they can enjoy the scenery too.

If you want to enjoy the scenery, come on down to Black's Beach. If you want to join the military and serve the country, do that. The showers are there so you don't smell too bad after a few weeks. They're not there so people can "enjoy the scenery."

It used to be that way.

How could you possibly know for sure unless you are a Gay man in bootcamp?

So before the repeal of don’t ask, don’t tell there were no homosexuals in the showers? Is this really why you are against repealing don’t ask, don’t tell or is there more? Because this seems kinda nitpicky.

[turtlespeed 226]

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>How could you possibly know for sure unless you are a Gay man in
>bootcamp?

I dare you to find any military description of showers as a "place to enjoy scenery." Doesn't exist, other than in your mind.

The beauty of it is now, though, is that it doesn't matter any more. It doesn't matter if soldiers are black or white, man or woman, gay or straight. All that matters is that soldiers do their jobs.

So are you honestly trying to have us believe that if you were showering with a bunch of attactive women you would not enjoy the scenery more than if you were not?

Do you think a gay man would enjoy showering with men more, since by definition it is their preference?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[turtlespeed 226]

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It used to be that way.

How could you possibly know for sure unless you are a Gay man in bootcamp?

So before the repeal of don’t ask, don’t tell there were no homosexuals in the showers? Is this really why you are against repealing don’t ask, don’t tell or is there more? Because this seems kinda nitpicky.

I never said DADT should or should not be repealed.

All I am asking for is equal rights.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun