Wind mill farm ends up as hot air

[brenthutch 444]

http://green.autoblog.com/2009/07/08/t-boone-pickens-wind-farm-plan-dies-out/

Question: Is it a green job when you take DOWN a wind turbine?

[brenthutch 444]

another one bites the dust

http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2011/01/03/03climatewire-chicago-climate-exchange-closes-but-keeps-ey-78598.html?pagewanted=all

[billvon 3,120]

>Question: Is it a green job when you take DOWN a wind turbine?

Is it a win for dirty power when utilities agree to shut a plant down early to avoid making it cleaner?

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Oregon's Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ), on December 2, 2010, recommended rule changes to the Environmental Quality Commission (EQC) to allow Oregon's only coal fired power plant to operate with less emission controls than what would otherwise be required under the federal Clean Air act in exchange for an early closure of the plant in 2020.

Portland General Electric’s coal-fueled electric power plant at Boardman is the largest single source of air pollution in Oregon. Current DEQ rules allow the plant to operate until at least 2040 with stringent emission controls for reducing regional haze. Portland General Electric (PGE) has requested that the Environmental Quality Commission consider new rules that would impose less stringent emission controls but guarantee the permanent closure of the Boardman coal-fired boiler by no later than December 31, 2020.

This rule proposal would satisfy federal Clean Air Act requirements, provide significant environmental and public health benefits to Oregon and Washington and set a national precedent for the early closure of a coal-fired power plant.
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Hmm. It must be the economy; everyone must be cutting back, right?

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Siemens Invests in Expanding Wind Power
Kevin Lamarque/Reuters

FRANKFURT — A reader of the annual report of Siemens, the German engineering giant, could easily get the idea that the company was investing in wind energy because management wants to save the planet.


“All our actions and decisions are informed by the principle of sustainability,” Siemens said in the introduction to its 2010 report, a few pages after the obligatory photograph of the chief executive, Peter Löscher, and the rest of the management board.

In smaller type on Page 90 is the fact that clean energy is a big moneymaker for Siemens. The renewable energy division, which consists mostly of the wind power business, recorded a bigger sales increase than any other unit in the quarter ended Sept. 30, rising 48 percent, to 977 million euros ($1.3 billion). New orders rose 85 percent, to 1.45 billion euros, also a company best.
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Damn that Siemens, making all that money just to piss off anti-environmentalists!

[lurch 0]

Well, although I admit Siemens' technical prowess is unmatched, having worked recently for a Siemens subsidiary I can't help thinking all that "green" tech they're so big on is probably being made by enslaved non-union afro-american baby seals working 25 hours a day for 2c an hour with no health insurance in a sweatshop in Bangladesh who are trying to compete against an army of destitute amputee chinese pigeon-farmers living in sustainable environmentally friendly cardboard boxes in an industrial complex half the size of Nebraska just outside of Beijing.

Baby these streets are MEAN...
-B

Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

[rushmc 23]

Just another government picked winner

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[brenthutch 444]

Non-story. There is no there, there. Sort of like climate science, filled with coulds, mights, and ifs.

[billvon 3,120]

>Non-story.

Well, more of a story than your post, which wasn't true to begin with. Which makes it very much like denier science, ironically enough.

[brenthutch 444]

I just posed a query. How can a question be, not true?

[billvon 3,120]

>How can a question be, not true?

Same reason the age-old question "do you still beat your wife?" can be not true.

[brenthutch 444]

I’m just a glass is half full guy. It is a good news story: wind mill goes up = jobs... wind mill comes down = more jobs. I was just asking if they count as green jobs.

[billvon 3,120]

>I’m just a glass is half full guy. It is a good news story: wind mill goes
>up = jobs... wind mill comes down = more jobs.

Which windmills came down, then?

[brenthutch 444]

Not to mention the simulative effect of all of those unemployment checks that will be going out to everyone on the Chicago climate exchange! Again more good news.

[brenthutch 444]

http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/12/25/1348212/Pickens-Wind-Power-Plan-Comes-To-a-Whimpering-End?from=rss

"Unfortunately market forces were not favorable to Mr. Pickens, and in December 2010 he announced that he is getting out of the wind power business. What does he plan to do with his $2 billion worth of idle wind turbines? He is trying to sell them to Canada, because of Canadian law that mandates consumers to buy more renewable electricity regardless of cost.""

[rushmc 23]

This is related to my post to billvon about government picked winners

http://www.windpowerengineering.com/renewable-portfolio-standard/cash-grants-propel-the-wind-industry-into-2011/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

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>Non-story.

Well, more of a story than your post, which wasn't true to begin with. Which makes it very much like denier science, ironically enough.

I wonder what the investment potential is in a hot air powered wind farm generatingfacility near State College is. There seems to be an abundant quantity based on denier "science" near there.

[brenthutch 444]

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>Non-story.

Well, more of a story than your post, which wasn't true to begin with. Which makes it very much like denier science, ironically enough.

I wonder what the investment potential is in a hot air powered wind farm generatingfacility near State College is. There seems to be an abundant quantity based on denier "science" near there.

You mean warmist science, Mr. global warming himself (Michael Mann,
conjuror of the hockey stick graph) is a neighbor, and Penn State is at the epicenter of AGW mythology.

[brenthutch 444]

The question still remains; is taking down a wind turbine a green job?

[billvon 3,120]

>The question still remains; is taking down a wind turbine a green job?

Well, it is pretty green in that you _get_ a lot of green for it. With all the wind farms going up around the world, people who are good at wind power are in demand. (If such a job existed other than in your imagination, that is.)

[popsjumper 2]

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What does he plan to do with his $2 billion worth of idle wind turbines? He is trying to sell them to Canada, because of Canadian law that mandates consumers to buy more renewable electricity regardless of cost.""

So Canada bought the farm, eh?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[david3 0]

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The question still remains; is taking down a wind turbine a green job?

No.

[skypuppy 1]

In smaller type on Page 90 is the fact that clean energy is a big moneymaker for Siemens. The renewable energy division, which consists mostly of the wind power business, recorded a bigger sales increase than any other unit in the quarter ended Sept. 30, rising 48 percent, to 977 million euros ($1.3 billion). New orders rose 85 percent, to 1.45 billion euros, also a company best.
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Of course they're making money, because gov'ts are deciding to spend taxpayers' dollars on it despite the cost. And the poor saps will keep paying, unless they can get rid of gov'ts that spend their money like a drunken sailor for little return....

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

[brenthutch 444]

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>The question still remains; is taking down a wind turbine a green job?

Well, it is pretty green in that you _get_ a lot of green for it. With all the wind farms going up around the world, people who are good at wind power are in demand. (If such a job existed other than in your imagination, that is.)

Well they should send of the "people who are good at wind" to Scotland. During the last big storm when demand was near an all time high, Scotland's wind turbines were operation at less than 3% of capacity.

http://theblogprof.blogspot.com/2010/12/irony-scotland-wind-turbines-freeze.html

[masterrig 1]

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The question still remains; is taking down a wind turbine a green job?

I'd just call it work. Why, does it have to be a green, pink, purple or whatever job. Work is work.


Chuck

[rushmc 23]

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The question still remains; is taking down a wind turbine a green job?

I'd just call it work. Why, does it have to be a green, pink, purple or whatever job. Work is work.


Chuck

Because raising our energy costs were going to be offset by increases in the green job sector

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[masterrig 1]

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The question still remains; is taking down a wind turbine a green job?

I'd just call it work. Why, does it have to be a green, pink, purple or whatever job. Work is work.


Chuck

Because raising our energy costs were going to be offset by increases in the green job sector

O.K., I see, now.


Chuck