Police ; Heroes or Hellions?

[dj123 0]

Just curious how people on this forum see police.

Are they mostly unselfish individuals who yearn to protect and serve the public , psychotic criminals,or something in between?

Please relate your experiences with police both positive and negative .

Blues Skies,
DJ

[shropshire 0]

They are people and like any other demographic there are saints and sinners... probably in near equal measure.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Just curious how people on this forum see police.

Are they mostly unselfish individuals who yearn to protect and serve the public , psychotic criminals,or something in between?

Please relate your experiences with police both positive and negative .

Blues Skies,
DJ

Somewhere in between, leaning hard on the side of protect and serve.

I have friends that are LEOs.
I have been in trouble before, in my youth, and was treated fairly.
I have been pulled over for nothing but an excuse and held for hours just because the guy was a dick!
I have filed theft and B&E reports and the LEO was always respectful and nice.

If you can't do the time - don't do the crime - but don't get mad if you get caught doing something you know is wrong to begin with and then get all"WTF?" attitude when you get caught.

Only once have I met a LEO that was a prick for the reason of being a prick - maybe he had a really bad week - doesn't justify it, but you can relate to that I am sure.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rhaig 0]

there was one time a whuffo showed up at skydive USA and was telling us all about what a great skydiver he was going to be (he'd done a tandem and stuck around and gotten drunk). Then he went off on cops to me. I was sitting next to a jumper who was a cop. She nudged me and winked. (I shut up) Dude just kept digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself.

End of the night, the drunk-ass got pissed at us (we moved his car) and called 911 on us. The local cops (who knew us) ended up waiting for this guy to turn off the private airport road onto the public road, and then promptly arrested him for DWI.

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Rob

[dj123 0]

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there was one time a whuffo showed up at skydive USA and was telling us all about what a great skydiver he was going to be (he'd done a tandem and stuck around and gotten drunk). Then he went off on cops to me. I was sitting next to a jumper who was a cop. She nudged me and winked. (I shut up) Dude just kept digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself.

End of the night, the drunk-ass got pissed at us (we moved his car) and called 911 on us. The local cops (who knew us) ended up waiting for this guy to turn off the private airport road onto the public road, and then promptly arrested him for DWI.

Could this have been handled differently?
Was there a way you might have prevented this obviously tormented soul from having even more turmoil in his life?
Just curious.

There was a time when skydivers, especially first timers, were treated as family.

Blues Skies,
DJ

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Could this have been handled differently?
Was there a way you might have prevented this obviously tormented soul from having even more turmoil in his life?
Just curious.

There was a time when skydivers, especially first timers, were treated as family.

Here's your answer.

[rhaig 0]

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there was one time a whuffo showed up at skydive USA and was telling us all about what a great skydiver he was going to be (he'd done a tandem and stuck around and gotten drunk). Then he went off on cops to me. I was sitting next to a jumper who was a cop. She nudged me and winked. (I shut up) Dude just kept digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself.

End of the night, the drunk-ass got pissed at us (we moved his car) and called 911 on us. The local cops (who knew us) ended up waiting for this guy to turn off the private airport road onto the public road, and then promptly arrested him for DWI.

Could this have been handled differently?
Was there a way you might have prevented this obviously tormented soul from having even more turmoil in his life?
Just curious.

There was a time when skydivers, especially first timers, were treated as family.

Blues Skies,
DJ

hey look, you're still trolling.

we were joking with him, he took it badly. The cops were not amused. They didn't haul him in for false police report (because we asked them not to), but when he refused to stay on the DZ, they arrested him for DWI.

We could have told him to bugger off when the beer light came on, but we didn't. We sat with him and drank with him. He got a little dickish, moved his car onto the tarmac where some people were playing basketball, so when he was taking a leak, they moved his car to the landing area.

Skydivers, like family, joke with each other.

this guy just didn't take it well.

quit being all Dr Phil on us.

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Rob

[rhaig 0]

yeah, he's been trolling near constantly for the past week.

this whole thread is a repeat from last year sometime too. I even told the same story. Figured that might jog someone's memory.

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Rob

[dj123 0]

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there was one time a whuffo showed up at skydive USA and was telling us all about what a great skydiver he was going to be (he'd done a tandem and stuck around and gotten drunk). Then he went off on cops to me. I was sitting next to a jumper who was a cop. She nudged me and winked. (I shut up) Dude just kept digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself.

End of the night, the drunk-ass got pissed at us (we moved his car) and called 911 on us. The local cops (who knew us) ended up waiting for this guy to turn off the private airport road onto the public road, and then promptly arrested him for DWI.

Could this have been handled differently?
Was there a way you might have prevented this obviously tormented soul from having even more turmoil in his life?
Just curious.

There was a time when skydivers, especially first timers, were treated as family.

Blues Skies,
DJ

hey look, you're still trolling.

we were joking with him, he took it badly. The cops were not amused. They didn't haul him in for false police report (because we asked them not to), but when he refused to stay on the DZ, they arrested him for DWI.

We could have told him to bugger off when the beer light came on, but we didn't. We sat with him and drank with him. He got a little dickish, moved his car onto the tarmac where some people were playing basketball, so when he was taking a leak, they moved his car to the landing area.

Skydivers, like family, joke with each other.

this guy just didn't take it well.

quit being all Dr Phil on us.

Listen, I'm not accusing you of anything.

I'm simply asking ,for my own education as well as yours,

This "wuffo"(your word) , *who came to your DZ and made a jump*,and then stuck around to drink first timer beer,.. was there some way you guys could have looked out for him a little better?

Let's do our best for our firstimers.
They are us a short time ago.
DJ

[freethefly 6]

Over the years I have had the pleasure and displeasure of knowing a number of police officers. Some were highly professional and treated you as a human, while others displayed personal contempt towards you, whether you've done anything wrong or not. I'd like to point out the good ones. One such good guy is my nephew, K-9 officer Ryan Sumner of the Lenexa, KS. Police Dept. and his partner Diesel. Ryan often works with a multi-district drug task force. Last time I was at his house he was just leaving to bust a known heroin house. He is often the first one through the door. He has done one tandem jump (13 years ago, Bram Clemens was his TM at Skydive St.Louis in 1997). He is definitely one of the good guys.

Scroll down to 3rd set of bullet-ed sentences.
http://www.ci.lenexa.ks.us/governing/stateofcity.html

http://www.ci.lenexa.ks.us/YearinReview09/yir2009_s7p1.html

http://www.ci.lenexa.ks.us/towntalk/10_02_07.html

Ryan and Diesel receiving a vest for Diesel from Armored for Life.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.protectourk9s.org/IMG_3917.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.protectourk9s.org/interest.htm&h=1570&w=1339&sz=562&tbnid=5OgSI9BpVp1xPM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=128&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dofficer%2Bryan%2Bsumner%2Blenexa%2Bpolice%2Bimage&zoom=1&q=officer+ryan+sumner+lenexa+police+image&hl=en&usg=__K2_QXkdvOp0v4sIp66Et9h5QkhU=&sa=X&ei=BRAaTe6KKoa8lQeCmf2CDA&ved=0CB0Q9QEwAQ

Their website;
http://www.protectourk9s.org/interest.htm

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[rhaig 0]

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This "wuffo"(your word) , *who came to your DZ and made a jump*,and then stuck around to drink first timer beer,.. was there some way you guys could have looked out for him a little better?

whuffo is "my word"?? wow... you're trolling hard today

go after someone else.

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Rob

[dj123 0]

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This "wuffo"(your word) , *who came to your DZ and made a jump*,and then stuck around to drink first timer beer,.. was there some way you guys could have looked out for him a little better?

whuffo is "my word"?? wow... you're trolling hard today

go after someone else.

You wrote that a wuffo showed up ,made a jump, sat around with you and "got drunk". Aparrently this guy was "STOKED" as he stated that he was going to become THE BEST SKYDIVER EVER.

Considering that this is a true story,
was there any way you guys could have handled the situation differently?
Sounds to me like we may have lost one who may have been the next Tom Piras .

Blues,
DJ

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This "wuffo"(your word) , *who came to your DZ and made a jump*,and then stuck around to drink first timer beer,.. was there some way you guys could have looked out for him a little better?

whuffo is "my word"?? wow... you're trolling hard today

go after someone else.

You wrote that a wuffo showed up ,made a jump, sat around with you and "got drunk". Aparrently this guy was "STOKED" as he stated that he was going to become THE BEST SKYDIVER EVER.

Considering that this is a true story,
was there any way you guys could have handled the situation differently?
Sounds to me like we may have lost one who may have been the next Tom Piras .

Blues,
DJ

Sounds to me like you are stretching and reaching to and twisting and spinning to invalidate his actions because you disagree with them.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[dj123 0]

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Sounds to me like you are stretching and reaching to and twisting and spinning to invalidate his actions because you disagree with them.

Do turtles have ears?

Blues,
DJ

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Sounds to me like you are stretching and reaching to and twisting and spinning to invalidate his actions because you disagree with them.

Do turtles have ears?

Blues,
DJ

Yes they do.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rhaig 0]

We haven't heard from "Lucky..." in a few months. You signed up a few months ago... hey... that explains it. The troll balance has been restored!!

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Rob

[shropshire 0]

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Sounds to me like you are stretching and reaching to and twisting and spinning to invalidate his actions because you disagree with them.

Do turtles have ears?

Blues,
DJ

Yes they do.

Otherwise their Sun Glasses would fall off.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Sounds to me like you are stretching and reaching to and twisting and spinning to invalidate his actions because you disagree with them.

Do turtles have ears?

Blues,
DJ

Yes they do.

Otherwise their Sun Glasses would fall off.

Not exactly - We must be kept in a relazed, laid back, NDRC drinking pose for that . . .

Google works

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[dj123 0]

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We haven't heard from "Lucky..." in a few months. You signed up a few months ago... hey... that explains it. The troll balance has been restored!!

You're just avoiding the question but that's OK!

Here are the facts .

You stated that a whuffo showed up at Skydive USA and masde a jump. He hung out the rest of the day .After operations on the day of his first jump he hung around with you and "got drunk",in your presence.

Later you let him drive off knowing that your newest Brother in the Sky was heading for police intervention.

If that all is true ,
I want to be your friend.
I'm sure I can help you.
You may want some mentoring.
Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings,
DJ

[rhaig 0]

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We haven't heard from "Lucky..." in a few months. You signed up a few months ago... hey... that explains it. The troll balance has been restored!!

You're just avoiding the question but that's OK!

Here are the facts .

You stated that a whuffo showed up at Skydive USA and masde a jump. He hung out the rest of the day .After operations on the day of his first jump he hung around with you and "got drunk",in your presence.

Later you let him drive off knowing that your newest Brother in the Sky was heading for police intervention.

If that all is true ,
I want to be your friend.
I'm sure I can help you.
You may want some mentoring.
Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings,
DJ

well anyone who was there knows that the dude wouldn't have let it go down any other way. so I'm choosing not to respond to your trolls.

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Rob

[grimmie 186]

Cops are like posters in SC.

There are some smart ones, funny ones, friendly ones, articulate ones and asshats that just like to give out shit for no reason at all.

[skyrider 0]

I love the smell of a good gang up in the morning!

Myself, I'd have pulled his keys...

everybody has their own ways!

[rhaig 0]

we had him convinced to stay, and then he went all asshat and called the cops. then it was between him, the cops and the DZ manager.

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Rob

[dj123 0]

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I love the smell of a good gang up in the morning!

Myself, I'd have pulled his keys...

everybody has their own ways!

They had the keys, they moved his car off the tarmac.

You are right though, hiding the keys may have been a better way to handle the situation. At least the first timer wouldn't have been thrown into a cage.

Blue Skies,
DJ

[skyrider 0]

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we had him convinced to stay, and then he went all asshat and called the cops. then it was between him, the cops and the DZ manager.

I'd just waited for the Cops, as you mentioned, you had a cop on your side...they would have taken him for the lesser charge of drunk and disorderly..JMO , Plus I have done it before!

I regrett the night I gave my brother his keys back, on his word he would just ride home...He was run over on the freeway after losing control of his bike...Killed!

I have never given keys back since!