Death panels will exist???

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Neither. Maybe Cleveland Clinic?

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Too expensive.
Insurance company says Mexico.

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Like a made up argument, perhaps, or did we skip a few years and it's 2014 now?

Hmmm seems to me that might be an expense ... one of those pesky things like big ole redneck trucks that are supposedly part of the cost of doing business... that we as taxpayers get to subsidize when they are written off

Speaking of made up arguments...

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[tkhayes 348]

'death panels' already exist and act on people every day. families and doctors make life and death decisions and some people live because of it and some people die because of it.

Exactly the way it should be. I am all about it.

And if the government implements any program that helps families and doctors deal with these difficult decisions, then i am all about that as well.

Anyone who thinks that death is something that cannot be dealt with or should not be dealt with is in serious denial and out of touch with reality.

[normiss 906]

Pretty much my point all along.
I found it humorous that people screamed "death panels" when opposing the whole Obama care program. (Not that I agree or understand some portions of the plan though.)
"End of life planning" sounds so much nicer people won't even discuss it.

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'death panels' already exist and act on people every day. families and doctors make life and death decisions and some people live because of it and some people die because of it.
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Anyone who thinks that death is something that cannot be dealt with or should not be dealt with is in serious denial and out of touch with reality.

Just ask the Inuit who (formerly) put their elderly out in the snow when it was their time.

Whether it's called triage to efficiently utilize finite resources, or simply managing personal decisions on how to bow out with some sense of dignity, this is nothing new and 'we' should stop acting as if it were.

It's interesting how in our 20th/post-20th century 'first-world' cultures, we've collectively been more insulated from the raw face of death than any other time in human history, whether it be our own or that of those who die in our interests. Of course, this includes all that packaged meat in the grocery.

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'death panels' already exist and act on people every day. families and doctors make life and death decisions and some people live because of it and some people die because of it.
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Anyone who thinks that death is something that cannot be dealt with or should not be dealt with is in serious denial and out of touch with reality.

Just ask the Inuit who (formerly) put their elderly out in the snow when it was their time.

Whether it's called triage to efficiently utilize finite resources, or simply managing personal decisions on how to bow out with some sense of dignity, this is nothing new and 'we' should stop acting as if it were.

It's interesting how in our 20th/post-20th century 'first-world' cultures, we've collectively been more insulated from the raw face of death than any other time in human history, whether it be our own or that of those who die in our interests. Of course, this includes all that packaged meat in the grocery.

So now we have businesses making life and death decisions with their FINITE PROFITS... pure and all too simple.

Except for those that do not get what they paid most of thier lives for... funny how that seems to work.

Just wait till YOU are the one on the reciving end of a bunch of greedy bastards making a business decision

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Just wait till YOU are the one on the reciving end of a bunch of greedy bastards making a business decision

In case you have no noticed my avatar, I HAVE BEEN on the receiving end of those greedy bastards....

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Just ask the Inuit who (formerly) put their elderly out in the snow when it was their time.

or that amazing chamber for when our crystals turn green and we get to float up and be zapped to return to the creators

oops, gotta run

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"a patient with incurable cancer might be asked, “When the time comes, do you want us to use technology to try and delay your death?”

What do you think happens now? No difference.

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On the minus side, they will kill your grandma and your children. On the plus side, they might kill all the Arabs and illegal immigrants living under right winger's beds.

You have to be nice to illegal immigrants:

"The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.", Leviticus 19 (34)

Didn't work out to well for the Native Americans

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On the minus side, they will kill your grandma and your children. On the plus side, they might kill all the Arabs and illegal immigrants living under right winger's beds.

it is not the end of life planning that is the issue, it would be denial of care by a government agency that is the problem. The federal government should not be involved in choices made for someone's care and treatment.

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>it is not the end of life planning that is the issue, it would be denial of
>care by a government agency that is the problem.

Right now all care is denied unless you are on Medicare/Medicaid. So this is an improvement.

>The federal government should not be involved in choices made for
>someone's care and treatment.

They're not. You can choose whatever care you want and spend however much you want. If you want the government to give you free care, you are going to take whatever they give you. Your choice.

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Pretty much my point all along.
I found it humorous that people screamed "death panels" when opposing the whole Obama care program. (Not that I agree or understand some portions of the plan though.)
"End of life planning" sounds so much nicer people won't even discuss it.

Just like I posted earlier, everyone here is still confusing "Death Panels" and "End of life Planning". There is a difference.

Unless they are being specifically counseled to pull the plug if something happens, i don't know what the issue is.

You all need to read up on living wills-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_health_care_directive

Like I said earlier, nothing more right wing than being responsible for yourself.

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>Yes - it has always been part of the Welcome Package - It is part of the
>HR intro that I give to new employees - but they are very few.

Hmm. You said a while back that you would shut down your business if the healthcare package passed! Shall we believe you now, or are you making something up again?

I said I would have to - and it's coming close to that time.

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