Israel

[dj123 0]

Should the US provide monetary aid to this country?

Yes, No , Why?

Blue Skies,
DJ

[winsor 236]

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Should the US provide monetary aid to this country?

Yes, No , Why?

Blue Skies,
DJ

I should, simply to help out the family.

As far as the Government goes, they are the ones with the printing press so they can do as they please. Since we send aid to the assholes who are sworn to kill everyone in Israel, it seems only fair to send a few bucks to Israel to balance things out a bit.

In general, however, I oppose insitutionalized aid by the US Government. We tend to screw up everything we touch, and to blow staggering amounts of money in the process. We should quit while we are behind.


BSBD,

Winsor

[Coreece 190]

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Should the US provide monetary aid to this country

not really sure...I've dated a Jewish girl here in the states...a very fun relationship. Great family...some of the best people I met. Hanukkah was awesomre!

but I simply don't understand this...well, actually, I do...and unfortunately Jesus did too:

Jewish Hatred for Non Jews

You and you fucking Jesus can kiss my ass - Just to be fair...it does appear to be a young man in this video that was drinking, but there are clearly some deep rooted issues here.

Just a bunch of yiddish jibberish

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[falxori 0]

Just so you know, the people in these videos are the ultra ultra orthodox jews and they hate everybody who is not as orthodox as they are.

they hate me (secular Jew) and even other religious Jews way more than they hate anyone else and in my eyes they are no better than any other religious fanatics.
These people don't recognize Israel even and often you can see them cooperate with Israel's worst enemies (Iran, Hamas, etc.)

I invite you to go to Israel and see for yourself that its nothing like you see in that twisted video

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[Coreece 190]

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Just so you know, the people in these videos are the ultra ultra orthodox jews and they hate everybody who is not as orthodox as they are.

they hate me (secular Jew) and even other religious Jews way more than they hate anyone else and in my eyes they are no better than any other religious fanatics.
These people don't recognize Israel even and often you can see them cooperate with Israel's worst enemies (Iran, Hamas, etc.)

I invite you to go to Israel and see for yourself that its nothing like you see in that twisted video

I understand...I'm an editor, I can make video mean anything I want it to mean...

But i couldn't help but to see the relation between these videos and the pride expessed by some of the jews in these forums....quite unsettling to say the least...certainly not desirable.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[falxori 0]

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But i couldn't help but to see the relation between these videos and the pride expessed by some of the jews in these forums....quite unsettling to say the least...certainly not desirable

I'm not sure I follow.
Jews come in all shapes, forms and points of views. I'm not sure what you mean by "pride".
Without knowing you and without making any accusations...
Are you sure you don't "see" what you want to see?

I can tell you that I have almost nothing in common with the people in that video. but, what you see there is xenophobia and nothing else.

anyway, this is going off topic.
I wonder why the aid to Israel, which has been a close ally of the US for decades, keeps popping up but the almost identical aid that, for example, Egypt, is getting is never mentioned...

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[Coreece 190]

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I'm not sure I follow.
Jews come in all shapes, forms and points of views. I'm not sure what you mean by "pride".
Without knowing you and without making any accusations...
Are you sure you don't "see" what you want to see?

my apologies...I'm only talking about one jew in these forums...surely everyone can make an educated guess...Who is the most prideful, self righteous, conceited atheistic Jew in these forums who looks down upon practically everyone as if they were barking pigs?

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[falxori 0]

I honestly have no idea who you're talking about (I'm not following every thread here)

but, if you are talking about one individual, and let's assume this individual is "the most prideful, self righteous, conceited etc."
is it because this person is Jewish or is it just because this person is a horrible person?
I still don't see why you took your experiences with one individual and concluded there is a problem with an entire nation/religion/race or however you want to define "Jews".

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[Coreece 190]

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is it because this person is Jewish or is it just because this person is a horrible person?

I wouldn't say that he is a horrible person...Ironically I often tend to agree with this person. I respect his intelect/vocabulary...definatley humorus at times...far superior than mine... I just think it's a shame for him to use his gift to serve his own pride.

He could easily be a very influential person for whatever cause he committed himself to...but so far it only appears to be for his own grandeur.

He is the most vocal Jew here from what I can gather...he is very possibly an atheist...go figure..a self proclaimed jewish atheist!


sounds like a very confusing lifestyle...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[RonD1120 62]

Yes.

1. President Harry Truman pledged U.S. support c.1948.

2. Nations that do not support Israel tend not to fair well in the long run.

3. They are our only staunch democratic ally in the Mideast.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

A couple years ago, a fellow VVA member sent me a copy to the book The Israelis by Rosenthal. I don't remember the author's first name.

The most outstanding revelation for me was the diversity of their culture and society. They are a microcosmic version of the U.S. I can't take any single snapshot of their country as universally descriptive.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Skyrad 0]

To be be fair, the first video the guy was behaving like a jerk. As for the second video you can find drunk angry teenagers and film them behaving like idiots without them being Jewish. As for the third, its hard to tell what went on before hand or where they were.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[dmcoco84 5]

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but I simply don't understand this...well, actually, I do...and unfortunately Jesus did too:

Huh?


Wow... Morgan Spurlock is a douche.

Firstly, if you are going to go into the Orthodox districts of Israel, and attempt to speak with someone about volatile issues, TRY COVERING YOUR HEAD FIRST, JACKASS!

The first man he speaks with, is not even Hasidic... he’s only wearing a yarmulke. Covering his head, would have been a sign of... RESPECT.

Now, had he been most anywhere else is Israel... totally different story.

Secondly... Laughing and acting like an ass, is even more disrespectful.

“So I’m not allowed to talk to anyone is the country”

Riiight... Smart Ass!

Third... there is a clear language barrier between he and the older Orthodox Jews... due to the fact that they likely only speak Hebrew... speaking English, and then laughing = DOUCHE.

When I watch that video... I picture non-local surfers on the North Shore getting their ass beat by the locals... 1:24 - He should have punched him in the face!

[dmcoco84 5]

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These people don't recognize Israel even and often you can see them cooperate with Israel's worst enemies (Iran, Hamas, etc.)

That is one of the dumbest statements I have ever read...

[SivaGanesha 2]

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Yes.

1. President Harry Truman pledged U.S. support c.1948.

2. Nations that do not support Israel tend not to fair well in the long run.

3. They are our only staunch democratic ally in the Mideast.

All of the above are good reasons for supporting Israel.

If, OTOH, one supports Israel because of misguided Christian prophecy that somehow Jesus is going to reappear in Israel in a second coming and convert all the Jews, Arabs, etc--that's not such a good reason for supporting Israel.

"It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014

[dreamdancer 0]

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3. They are our only staunch democratic ally in the Mideast.

turkey?

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding

[falxori 0]

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That is one of the dumbest statements I have ever read...

Maybe
I was refering to the "Neturei Karta" people, and for them my statement stands. I should have been clearer about that.

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[dreamdancer 0]

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That is one of the dumbest statements I have ever read...

Maybe
I was refering to the "Neturei Karta" people, and for them my statement stands. I should have been clearer about that.

wouldn't they describe themselves as 'authentic' jews?

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding

[Skyrad 0]

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1. President Harry Truman pledged U.S. support c.1948.

Come on, politicians often don't keep their promises from week to week. The US may have said it would support the foundation of the State of Israel, but over sixty years later? Thats a bit of a stretch, especially with the amount of aid that the USA has already give over the previous six decades (not to mention military support)

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2. Nations that do not support Israel tend not to fair well in the long run.

Can you cite some examples please? (That have a direct correlation between their lack of support for Israel and them not doing well.)


3. They are our only staunch democratic ally in the Mideast.
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Thats the best of your answers from a US perspective, however democracy aside US allies in the region have really caused the US a lot of problems also (Saudi Arabia and Israel to be precise)

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Amazon 7]

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1. President Harry Truman pledged U.S. support c.1948.

Come on, politicians often don't keep their promises from week to week. The US may have said it would support the foundation of the State of Israel, but over sixty years later? Thats a bit of a stretch, especially with the amount of aid that the USA has already give over the previous six decades (not to mention military support)

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2. Nations that do not support Israel tend not to fair well in the long run.

Can you cite some examples please? (That have a direct correlation between their lack of support for Israel and them not doing well.)


3. They are our only staunch democratic ally in the Mideast.
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Thats the best of your answers from a US perspective, however democracy aside US allies in the region have really caused the US a lot of problems also (Saudi Arabia and Israel to be precise)

Hey.. look at todays Egypt compared to what it was when Israel was founded after all the Jews left ole Rameses behind

The Babylonians??? Dude.. they lost it all not long after they destroyed Israel.

And then the Romans.. yup.. destroyed Israel... and where are THEY now???

Lets not forget how well the A Rabs have done everytime they have gone up against the Israelis

[dmcoco84 5]

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Maybe
I was refering to the "Neturei Karta" people, and for them my statement stands. I should have been clearer about that.

Are ya sure about that...

Good 'ole Wiki - Sentence 2:
Neturei Karta opposes Zionism and calls for a peaceful dismantling of the State of Israel, in the belief that Jews are forbidden to have their own state until the coming of the Messiah.

They may very well show support for the Palestinian people... who are currently under the control of Hamas... However, I am fairly confident, that anyone in or allied with Hamas, would put a bullet in the head of any Neturei Karta as soon as they possibly could.

Here is some supporting evidence - 2m5s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSvyv0urTE

[Skyrad 0]

Looks like a video of two idiots both talking bullshit to me. The 'your either with us or against us' philosophy is one reason why Bush squandered so much public support for the USA post 9/11 and why US diplomacy for years has been a mess. As for a stupid American girl attempting to get some attention I place no more weight on her sensationalism and attention seeking than I do on the drunk Jewish boys trying to shock. While I agree with your argument I find that your video does nothing to support it.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[falxori 0]

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Are ya sure about that...

Yes, I am sure.
They see Israel as an abomination (not being a Theocracy) and refuse to recognize.
They also publicly support Israel's worse enemies and have met with hot shots such as Hamas leadership and even the Iranian president nut job.

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[dmcoco84 5]

LOL

He asked her if she supports the Murder of ALL Jews. And the spoken idea that it would be easier to have them gather in Israel than to hunt them down globally and kill them one by one...

She said Yes.

Hm..

[dmcoco84 5]

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