150year anniversary of the South's declaration of secession

[jakee 1,595]

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How exactly?

By pretending that the war wasn't about a bunch of guys defending their right to own slaves.

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You will not even consider a different point of view - that is irrational.

The point of view that fighting a war for slavery is OK? No, I'm not considering that point of view. And if you want to go down that road, have we seen any evidence that you're willing to consider that the North was justified? [cough]Hypocriticalbullshitargument[/cough]

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You are refusing to let logic into your argument.

Show me some.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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More argument from emotion, yay!

How, exactly? Fighting a war over slavery is abhorrent. That's not an emotional response, it just is.

You southerners are arguing from emotion. You desperately want to believe that your homeland was in the right, so you twist and obfuscate and ignore the facts you don't like.

So, you can show where Andy said that slavery was "right" - by all means, prove your claim.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[jakee 1,595]

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More argument from emotion, yay!

How, exactly? Fighting a war over slavery is abhorrent. That's not an emotional response, it just is.

You southerners are arguing from emotion. You desperately want to believe that your homeland was in the right, so you twist and obfuscate and ignore the facts you don't like.

So, you can show where Andy said that slavery was "right" - by all means, prove your claim.

Show me where I said that Andy said that slavery was right.

You've just proved my point of how far you're willing to twist and obfuscate to protect your point of view.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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twist and obfuscate to protect your point of view.

So happy that you've learned a new word-hope you get another definition-a-day calendar for Christmas this year.
This war, like most others, was primarily about MONEY. The slave situation was an important linchpin in the agricultural economy of the southern states. The abolitionists were threatening to take food from the tables of the cotton farmers-that's why the southern states didn't want to give up the institution.
Side note-they were well within their rights to leave the Union-glad things worked out as they did though.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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So, you can show where Andy said that slavery was "right" - by all means, prove your claim.

Show me where I said that Andy said that slavery was right.

Post 34: "whilst defending a bunch of slave owners!?"

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You've just proved my point of how far you're willing to twist and obfuscate to protect your point of view.

Not at all - but on the other hand, you've proven you have no argument besides emotion-based rants.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Slavery would had eventually faded away under the Confederacy. Jefferson Davis believed that slaves should be given an education. He gave his own slaves an education to prepare them for their eventual freedom. He also paid them the same wage that white workers earned and allowed them property.

Jefferson believed strongly in the sovereignty of the State and believed that State rights trumped Federal law (as it is now, States are held captive to Federal law.) The Emancipation Proclamation did more harm to the slaves than it did good. Many of the slaves were denied education and jobs. The North did not want them as they were viewed as uneducated with no skills and not worthy to work alongside white men. It would be 100 years before any advancement for rights to take hold, due to the Emancipation Proclamation.

The war was based on the Right of the State to make its own law, govern its peoples and to maintain the right to secede from the Union more than it was on slavery.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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Slavery would had eventually faded away under the Confederacy.

Sorry, but that is an unknowable position. As history has proven time and time again, politicians say a lot of things they later don't or can't carry through on.

If history has ever taught us anything, it's that we can only judge politicians based on what they actually do; not on what good things they said they wanted to do.

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we can only judge politicians based on what they actually do; not on what good things they said they wanted to do.

Kinda like this?

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He gave his own slaves an education to prepare them for their eventual freedom. He also paid them the same wage that white workers earned and allowed them property.

shouldn't you be out trident hunting? (kinda like snipe hunting but you end up by digging yourself a hole)

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[billvon 3,116]

>open your mind - People had a way different mind set and thought
>differently then.

Exactly! And Al Qaeda thinks differently than we do here in the US. You should open your mind and not condemn them just because you have a different mind set.

[jakee 1,595]

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Show me where I said that Andy said that slavery was right.

Post 34: "whilst defending a bunch of slave owners!?"

That's nice. Now show me where I said that Andy said that slavery was right.

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but on the other hand, you've proven you have no argument besides emotion-based rants.

I repeat the question, How, exactly?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Show me where I said that Andy said that slavery was right.

Post 34: "whilst defending a bunch of slave owners!?"

That's nice. Now show me where I said that Andy said that slavery was right.

de·fend (d-fnd)
v. de·fend·ed, de·fend·ing, de·fends
v.tr.
1. To make or keep safe from danger, attack, or harm.
3. To support or maintain, as by argument or action; justify.

Nice tapdance, but no prize.

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but on the other hand, you've proven you have no argument besides emotion-based rants.

I repeat the question, How, exactly?

Oh, gee, I dunno...maybe the repeated usage of the word "cunt" and accusing people of defending slave ownership when they've said nothing of the sort, vs. arguing the economic and states-rights arguments that were made?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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shouldn't you be out trident hunting?

Currently I'm being amused enough at some people's pride in their state's participation in American slavery during the 19th century.

I wonder what the fuck it is that make these people tick.

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shouldn't you be out trident hunting?

Currently I'm being amused enough at some people's pride in their state's participation in American slavery during the 19th century.

Andy: "Yes, slavery is abhorrent. No argument there."

Yeah, that's really displaying the pride in participation, there.

Might want to tuck that bias back in - it's showing again.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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shouldn't you be out trident hunting?

Currently I'm being amused enough at some people's pride in their state's participation in American slavery during the 19th century.

Andy: "Yes, slavery is abhorrent. No argument there."
Yeah, that's really displaying the pride in participation, there.

Did I say Andy?

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[mnealtx 0]

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shouldn't you be out trident hunting?

Currently I'm being amused enough at some people's pride in their state's participation in American slavery during the 19th century.

Andy: "Yes, slavery is abhorrent. No argument there."
Yeah, that's really displaying the pride in participation, there.

Did I say Andy?

Nope, you didn't, you quite carefully didn't mention any names. Probably for the best, since nobody has posted in support of slavery - that way you get to use the broad brush.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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. . . since nobody has posted in support of slavery . . .

You're right. They only supported the side of slavery in a war about slavery. What was I thinking?

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[popsjumper 2]

I DO appreciate people telling me how to think. Really, I do.
I really appreciate people's skewed view of American History...almost like those who were born and raised here.

I can empathize with people's anti-slavery values.

What I CAN'T stand is the simple-minded, closed-minded, mouth-running know-it-all. If you see any of them around anywhere, please tell them to give it rest, eh?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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What I CAN'T stand is the simple-minded, closed-minded, mouth-running know-it-all. If you see any of them around anywhere, please tell them to give it rest, eh?

Give it a rest.

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. . . since nobody has posted in support of slavery . . .

You're right. They only supported the side of slavery in a war about slavery. What was I thinking?

Probably about your strawman that anything besides complete condemnation was support of 'the side of slavery'.

Andy said it was abhorrent, even after you accused of him of thinking it was still a good idea. Clint and Shane mention the states rights aspects of the situation, and, in fact, Shane says that he's 'glad things worked out as they did'.

I say again - you may want to tuck that bias back in, it's dragging on the ground behind you.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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arguing the economic and states-rights arguments that were made?

People making those arguments should go back to the first post of the thread and read the Declaration again.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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. . . since nobody has posted in support of slavery . . .

You're right. They only supported the side of slavery in a war about slavery. What was I thinking?

OMG, I don't know for sure but I have an idea.

My thought right now is...how can any one person be so dense?
Do you truly, truly not get it or are you just posting juvenile BS for the sake of argument?

OK..since you insist on being so...so...well whatever it is:

You voted, right?
What if, after promising to reduce taxes, the guy you helped put into office voted to support raising your taxes to 100%.

You'd be screaming about the 100%, and rightfully so, correct? I can empathize with that. Hell I'd be right there with you screamin' my ass off.

However, by your way of thinking, it's apparent that you would still support the guy you put into office. I would point out to you that HE is the cause of the problem. HE broke the campaign promise to you that enticed you to vote for him.

Do you STILL see a problem with that?



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Jakee...no need for you to reply. We already know what foolishness you will be repeating.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Andy said it was abhorrent, even after you accused of him of thinking it was still a good idea.

Sorry? You seem to have me confused with somebody else.

Maybe you can show me the post were -I- did that? I specifically asked him if he had worded his post the way he wanted it to be worded.

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[rehmwa 2]

You guys are all pretty funny.......


Simpson's episode - Apu is being interviewed for his Citizenship....

Official "Tell me, what was the cause of the civil war"

Apu "Oh, my, there were many events and issues leading up to the start of the civil war, for one thing the separatists and the northern land owners had many concerns over the application of,."

Official interrupts "just say slavery"

Apu "Slavery it is then"

Official "Congratulation, Mr. Nahasapetapetalon, you are now a US Citizen"

Apu "this is a great day, now where is the welfare office!!"

pause

Apu "I'm kidding, I work, I work"

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[jakee 1,595]

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de·fend (d-fnd)
v. de·fend·ed, de·fend·ing, de·fends
v.tr.
1. To make or keep safe from danger, attack, or harm.
3. To support or maintain, as by argument or action; justify.

Nice tapdance, but no prize.

So, once again, show me where I said that Andy said that slavery was right.

Put up or shut up.

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Oh, gee, I dunno...maybe the repeated usage of the word "cunt" and accusing people of defending slave ownership when they've said nothing of the sort, vs. arguing the economic and states-rights arguments that were made?

1) When applied to a man who'd go to war over his right to own slaves, it's accurate.

2) I haven't, that's your stupid little game.

3) The side arguments are a diversion. The entire reason they're being made is because peope don't want to face up to the fact that they're defending a war fought over slavery.

4) What fact or logic based argument have you brought to this thread, exactly? Your inability to walk the walk never fails to not surprise me.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Andy said it was abhorrent, even after you accused of him of thinking it was still a good idea.

Sorry? You seem to have me confused with somebody else.

Maybe you can show me the post were -I- did that?

Post 13: "So then you're admitting it was about slavery and not only that, you seem to be saying it's still a good idea."

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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